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1. 04:18 AM - Re: "Last Flight Out" on TV last night (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
2. 07:55 AM - Handheld Antennae (Edwin Johnson)
3. 09:41 AM - wing tank option? (Bill Church)
4. 12:18 PM - Andy Griffith, etc....... (Michael D Cuy)
5. 12:22 PM - Re: pics posted - a few (Michael D Cuy)
6. 04:29 PM - Re: wing tank option? (Borodent@aol.com)
7. 04:59 PM - Re: wing tank option? (DJ Vegh)
8. 06:18 PM - Re: Handheld Antennae (Rcaprd@aol.com)
9. 06:25 PM - Handheld / GPS (Rcaprd@aol.com)
10. 06:42 PM - Re: wing tank option? (Don Morris)
11. 06:43 PM - Re: Fw: HR 5035 (Michael McCarty)
12. 07:14 PM - Re: wing tank option? (DJ Vegh)
13. 07:15 PM - Re: wing tank option? (Kip and Beth Gardner)
14. 07:27 PM - Handheld Antennae (Ted Brousseau)
15. 08:32 PM - Re: Handheld Antennae (Jack Phillips)
16. 10:40 PM - Re: Handheld Antennae (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: "Last Flight Out" on TV last night |
In a message dated 9/15/2004 11:03:28 PM Central Standard Time,
bconoly@earthlink.net writes:
> I think of the Red Skeltons, George Burnses, and Milton Berles.
I need to add my favorite, Jack Benny. And for those of us who were kids
growing up in the 1950s, weren't we a lucky bunch? Red Skelton kept me, my mom
and
dad and sister glued to the tube as a family unit.
I think this is one of the things that is so appealing about the Air Camper,
it's like a time machine that takes me back to a time when people had more
dignity, things were slower (and lower) and when folks didn't even bother locking
their doors, and when funny men kept their acts clean and their language
polite.
S.B.
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Subject: | Handheld Antennae |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Edwin Johnson <elj@shreve.net>
Hello Larry,
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
> Next week, when I launch N444MH, I will have my Vertex
> VXA-700 in my shirtpocket until I can get a mount
> I wonder how these work with just the antenna that is
> attached to the unit? How many of you have a remote
> antenna? (That Model A might drown it out anyway, we
Even though you are in the air and line-of-sight required for these
frequencies is somewhat easy, performance and efficiency of _any_ 'rubber
duck' antenna on a handheld is dismal to say the least.
Most of the rod antennas for planes (as opposed to the blade antennas used
on faster aircraft) are simple 1/4 wave. The only thing you must
absolutely make sure of to have such improvement is to build a 'ground
plane' on which to mount the antenna if mounting on a non-metal area. (Not
too many metal areas on a Piet.) This can be simple sheet aluminum. If you
fail to do this, the efficiency will be lost and the mismatch isn't good
for the transmitter.
One method would be to put the sheet/ground plane on the bottom of the
fuselage and mount the antenna downwards. Since most rod antennas have a
bend there is enough clearance with the ground. On my Maule a metal sheet
is inside the airplane so that the fabric covers the plate with the
antenna mounted on the outside.
On Corky's plane he built the ground plane inside the fuselage behind the
rear seat and mounted the antenna upside down - but watch the cables
there.
On top of the wing or center section would be good providing a ground
plane can be located there.
At any rate the external antenna will make the handheld very usable,
provided you can hear it over the 'Ford' and there isn't too much noise
from the ignition.
...Edwin
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~ http://www.shreve.net/~elj ~
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~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~
~ for there you have been, there you long ~
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Subject: | wing tank option? |
Since I don't have any wood to cut yet, I have time to think about other
things, and one of the things I was thinking about was the wing tank.
Specifically, I was wondering about ways to increase the capacity of the
wing tank. Nine or ten gallons just seems a bit small, and if it could be
increased, there wouldn't be the concerns about shifting CG with a nose
tank, as flight progresses (and the need for elevator trim,etc). I really
would like to have some space to stow junk, and don't want to use the wing
and the nose for fuel. So... One thought I had was to incorporate a wing
tank similar to the style used on the old deHavilland Moths (pic attached).
I would think the tank capacity could be doubled (I know, I know it would
look different). What I have no idea about is how such a change might affect
the flight of the plane. Any ideas?
A second idea I had (two in one day, not bad!) was to make two tanks, which
could be interchanged. A smaller tank like the plans, for short joyrides,
and a larger "moth style" tank for cross-country flights. This may present
more problems than it's worth. I don't profess to know anything about the
installation of fuel tanks. Maybe one of you out there could share your
expertise or opinion. please don't jump all over me for suggesting a change.
It's just a thought.
Bill
<<gypsy moth wingtank.jpg>>
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Subject: | Andy Griffith, etc....... |
ink.net>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Great story, Bert about you meeting the kind and gentle Red Skelton.
A while back I was waiting for the 10 pm news to come on and I caught a
re-run of the old Andy Griffith show
and it just made me realize how wonderful the writers were during those
eras of TV. The show was FUNNY, it
was simple, it was down to earth, it taught VALUES, (Opey found out how
another kid would cry to get his way
with his father so Opey tried this until Paw found out the 'friend' was a
bad influence on Opey) and it was CLEAN.
So much better than the stuff they call sit coms today where people
supposedly laugh at kids bossing their parents
around. My Dad would whoop my butt at the least sign of disrespect and
I'm glad he did. I didn't even think of calling
911 on my parents like some kids do today.
Boy, I'm getting way off, and Please do not archive.
Mike
PS-- there are a zillion shows that fall into that same category......I
love Lucy, The Honeymooners, Sky King !
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Subject: | Re: pics posted - a few |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Looks really good Terry !
Mike C.
do not archive
PS-- I love the smell of the varnish. Makes your garage or shop smell like
you are putting together some fine
furniture !
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Subject: | Re: wing tank option? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com
In a message dated 9/16/04 12:41:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
eng@canadianrogers.com writes:
<< <gypsy moth wingtank.jpg>>
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Has anyone built the center wing tank, and then 2 small tanks in the next
outboard spaces ( Left and Right ) on the wings
Henry Williams
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Subject: | Re: wing tank option? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
the drag-antidrag wires would make it difficult. The tanks would have to be
done like a Champ with tubes welded into them to allow the wires to
pass-through.
I was once considering small 3" round tubes about 6' long to be put in the
leading edge of each wing. I forget how many gallons it would hold but
enough to extend the range at least another hour or so.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <Borodent@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing tank option?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/16/04 12:41:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> eng@canadianrogers.com writes:
>
> << <gypsy moth wingtank.jpg>>
> >>
> Has anyone built the center wing tank, and then 2 small tanks in the next
> outboard spaces ( Left and Right ) on the wings
> Henry Williams
>
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Subject: | Re: Handheld Antennae |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/15/04 9:13:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
lnelson208@yahoo.com writes:
<< I wonder how these work with just the antenna that is
attached to the unit? How many of you have a remote
antenna? (That Model A might drown it out anyway, we
shall see.)
Also, what is the consensus of headphones and cloth
helmet solution? I ordered one with the headphone
holes, but would rather have a "built in" cloth or
leather helmet. Anyone seen anything like this? >>
Larry,
I have an Icom A-5, and use a kacky cloth helmet with the cutouts for the
headset. I built a mount out of sheet metal, and located this small radio on the
right side of the cockpit, on top of the longeron, so the antenna is almost
straight up, but out in the slipstream. There is not many options on where to
put this thing. I think the main thing about a rubber ducky antenna, is to
keep it pointed straight up. Mine is pointed a little bit off to the right, but
it's reception and transmission is pretty good, however the ducky antenna
flops all over the place out there in the slipstream, so I tied a string to the
from right rear cabane strut back to the antenna to stabilize it. I'm planning
on installing a remote antenna, with a ground plane like what Edwin
described...I'm just not sure where to locate it yet. Ambient noise of the engine
and
wind is the biggest problem I have with using the radio, and I'm kickin'
around the idea of a ANR headset. Then comes the intercom. In flight I'm using
hand signals, and a tap with my feet on the passengers hip, to
communicate....just can't yell loud enough !!
You've got some milestone flights coming up...some very exiting times !!
Keep us informed.
Chuck G.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
While we're on the subject of radios, I do have a problem with my GPS
interfering with the headset. Whenever the GPS is turned on, it causes noise over
my
headset, but no problem when recieving, or transmitting. I've tried several
different locations, but it's always there when the GPS is turned on...very
annoying. I can hold my hand on top of the GPS, and most of the noise goes
away. This lead me to try using alluminum foil over and around the GPS, but it
didn't reduce the noise at all. Any ideas ?
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Re: wing tank option? |
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Fascinating idea. These tubes would hold about 2 1/4 gallons each.
-Don
DJ Vegh wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
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>the drag-antidrag wires would make it difficult. The tanks would have to be
>done like a Champ with tubes welded into them to allow the wires to
>pass-through.
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>I was once considering small 3" round tubes about 6' long to be put in the
>leading edge of each wing. I forget how many gallons it would hold but
>enough to extend the range at least another hour or so.
>
>DJ
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Borodent@aol.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing tank option?
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>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com
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>>In a message dated 9/16/04 12:41:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>eng@canadianrogers.com writes:
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>>Has anyone built the center wing tank, and then 2 small tanks in the next
>>outboard spaces ( Left and Right ) on the wings
>>Henry Williams
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael McCarty" <mmccarty@zianet.com>
The only way this bill was going to make it to the floor this year is if it was
tacked on to a larger aviation security
bill. Congressman Weiner spoke to the aviation subcommittee Wedenesday and said
that he had a long conversation
with another subcommittee member, Congressman Boswell of Iowa who is a pilot and
AOPA member, and that
Rep Boswell had enlightened him to what the term "General Aviation" entails on
a national basis. It seems Rep Weiner
was concerned about the tourist helicopters in the NYC area. He was quite concerned
about the fact that they can
take off and land as they please without talking to FAA and that they take unscreened
passengers around the area
on a daily basis. That is what prompted him to present the bill. This bill as
written was set aside by the aviation
subcommittee, with Congressman Weiner's concerns duly noted.
It really makes you wonder what kind of credentials are needed to serve on the
aviation subcommittee. This guy
didn't have a clue to the far-reaching impact of the bill he had proposed. You
would think he would have at least
done his homework first...
-Mike McCarty
----- Original Message -----
From: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: HR 5035
But if just ONE important House member does sign on, this bill could cause a lot
of heart burn for GA.
Cy Galley
Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon Bowen
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: HR 5035
This posting re this proposed bill has already made the rounds of several other
user group sites. Couple comments I saw, 1) Mr.
Wiener is a relatively young unimportant House member from NY trying to keep his
job by hyping his bill as protecting his NY
constituency, fur-git-a-bout-it, it's just hot air politics as usual, in a season
of lots of hot air, 2) It doesn't have a chance
of getting out of subcomittee, let alone, make it's way thru the entire Congress
on to the Pres for signing.
Gordon Bowen
N1033B
----- Original Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: HR 5035
OK, so if I have an Air Camper in my backyard (I live on a farm and have my
own runway and a hanger out back) and if this bill
passes, I'm supposed to call the Feds, ask them to drive 52 miles out here to
my rural location in Hicksville, TX and look at my
plane and paperwork, EACH TIME before I can take off to look for a few head of
cattle on Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn
Cattle Ranch?
I guess I'll call the Feds in late October (Halloween) and dress up as migratory
sheep herder from Smellbadistan, just to get
the Feds fired up when they arrive at the gate to my ranchito. When the TSA guys
get to my place, I'll tell them this is how I dress
up when I herd my farm animals on my ranch from a two seater wooden Air Camper.
Hmm, now if I understand it, the sponsor of this bill doesn't want me flying
my Cherokee 140 over a city of more than a million
people (NYC) but its OK to fly over El Paso, >less than 1 mil? Is that to say the
sponsor of the bill thinks that people in smaller
communities are less significant than people in Chicago, or Phoenix or Houston?
This really stinks.
I think this Congressman needs to go to Smellbadistan so he can duke it out
with the real bad guys, not plane people like
experimenters and GA.
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Subject: | Re: wing tank option? |
the reason I dropped the idea was I could not think of a graceful way to have a
filler cap installed. I didn't like the idea of having caps coming out of the
top of the leading edge.
I have a 14.5 gallon fuse tank which should give me 2.7 hours or so and I plan
on making a 12"x12"x16" aluminum fuel cell that I will mount to the front seat
as an aux tank if I want to do some cross country.... extending my range another
1.5 hours. My main fuse tank has an aux inlet that a line would be plumbed
to via a fuel pump to get fuel from the seat mounted aux tank to the main tank.
That'll all come later... first I need to get this thing flying!
DJ Vegh
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Morris
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing tank option?
Fascinating idea. These tubes would hold about 2 1/4 gallons each.
-Don
DJ Vegh wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
the drag-antidrag wires would make it difficult. The tanks would have to be
done like a Champ with tubes welded into them to allow the wires to
pass-through.
I was once considering small 3" round tubes about 6' long to be put in the
leading edge of each wing. I forget how many gallons it would hold but
enough to extend the range at least another hour or so.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <Borodent@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing tank option?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com
In a message dated 9/16/04 12:41:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
eng@canadianrogers.com writes:
<< <gypsy moth wingtank.jpg>>
>>
Has anyone built the center wing tank, and then 2 small tanks in the next
outboard spaces ( Left and Right ) on the wings
Henry Williams
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Subject: | Re: wing tank option? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 12:59 PM -0400 9/16/04, Bill Church wrote:
>Since I don't have any wood to cut yet, I have time to think about other
>things, and one of the things I was thinking about was the wing tank.
>Specifically, I was wondering about ways to increase the capacity of the
>wing tank. Nine or ten gallons just seems a bit small, and if it could be
>increased, there wouldn't be the concerns about shifting CG with a nose
>tank, as flight progresses (and the need for elevator trim,etc). I really
>would like to have some space to stow junk, and don't want to use the wing
>and the nose for fuel. So... One thought I had was to incorporate a wing
>tank similar to the style used on the old deHavilland Moths (pic attached).
>I would think the tank capacity could be doubled (I know, I know it would
>look different). What I have no idea about is how such a change might affect
>the flight of the plane. Any ideas?
>A second idea I had (two in one day, not bad!) was to make two tanks, which
>could be interchanged. A smaller tank like the plans, for short joyrides,
>and a larger "moth style" tank for cross-country flights. This may present
>more problems than it's worth. I don't profess to know anything about the
>installation of fuel tanks. Maybe one of you out there could share your
>expertise or opinion. please don't jump all over me for suggesting a change.
>It's just a thought.
>
>Bill
Bill, I'm not exactly sure how he did it, but William Wynne glassed
in the entire center section on his now-defunct Corvair-powered
Pietenpol and had about a 20 gallon capacity.
You might get details from him at:
WilliamTCA@aol.com
BTW, it's way past time to mention it, but the Corvair College that
we sponsored up here in NE Ohio back in June was a huge sucess - we
had over 50 participants, and many people went home with closed
cases. Two groups went home with assembled engines, and the rest of
us just had a damn good time. We had people from as far away as
Minnesota and Connecticut. William said it was the best weather of
any Corvair College event so far. Everyone was envious of our new
Chapter clubhouse and workshop - built for a total investment of
$3000.
I'll be closing my engine case later this Fall, but having the CC at
our chapter sure made the process a lot less mysterious.
EAA Chapter 82 plans on sponsoring another Corvair College event next
summer, and William has agreed to do it barring any unforsen
catastrophic events, so all of you Corvair guys who did not make it
this year, plan on coming next year.
Cheers,
Kip Gardner, President EAA 82
--
North Canton, OH
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Subject: | Handheld Antennae |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Larry,
I just went through this drill this past summer while testing two new planes
without external antennas. I could get the tower most of the time from 5-6
miles out with just the rubber antenna. Twice I needed the green light from
the tower because they couldn't hear me. I have never had a problem with
the Piet I routinely fly. It has an external antenna mounted which we
connect to the handheld. If you are just using it in the pattern at a
non-towered field it works fine because you are within a mile or so to the
other planes.
I am deciding at this time how I will mount an external antenna on my new
Piet. I am looking at internal antennas also. They all improve on what the
little rubber antenna does.
Ted Brousseau
Time: 07:12:46 AM PST US
From: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Antennae
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Next week, when I launch N444MH, I will have my Vertex
VXA-700 in my shirtpocket until I can get a mount
figured out.
I wonder how these work with just the antenna that is
attached to the unit? How many of you have a remote
antenna? (That Model A might drown it out anyway, we
shall see.)
Also, what is the consensus of headphones and cloth
helmet solution? I ordered one with the headphone
holes, but would rather have a "built in" cloth or
leather helmet. Anyone seen anything like this?
Maybe I could build in some phones into my Viking
helmet.
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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Subject: | Handheld Antennae |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Check out www.flightsuits.com I bought a leather helmet from them with
headphones built in. Pricey, but nice.
Jack Phillips, Raleigh NC
NX899JP is at the airport, waiting for the FAA to come and inspect it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Rcaprd@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Antennae
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/15/04 9:13:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
lnelson208@yahoo.com writes:
<< I wonder how these work with just the antenna that is
attached to the unit? How many of you have a remote
antenna? (That Model A might drown it out anyway, we
shall see.)
Also, what is the consensus of headphones and cloth
helmet solution? I ordered one with the headphone
holes, but would rather have a "built in" cloth or
leather helmet. Anyone seen anything like this? >>
Larry,
I have an Icom A-5, and use a kacky cloth helmet with the cutouts for the
headset. I built a mount out of sheet metal, and located this small radio
on the
right side of the cockpit, on top of the longeron, so the antenna is almost
straight up, but out in the slipstream. There is not many options on where
to
put this thing. I think the main thing about a rubber ducky antenna, is to
keep it pointed straight up. Mine is pointed a little bit off to the right,
but
it's reception and transmission is pretty good, however the ducky antenna
flops all over the place out there in the slipstream, so I tied a string to
the
from right rear cabane strut back to the antenna to stabilize it. I'm
planning
on installing a remote antenna, with a ground plane like what Edwin
described...I'm just not sure where to locate it yet. Ambient noise of the
engine and
wind is the biggest problem I have with using the radio, and I'm kickin'
around the idea of a ANR headset. Then comes the intercom. In flight I'm
using
hand signals, and a tap with my feet on the passengers hip, to
communicate....just can't yell loud enough !!
You've got some milestone flights coming up...some very exiting times !!
Keep us informed.
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Re: Handheld Antennae |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
There's a lot of stuff in the archives. Go to the search page
and put antenna in the box.
A couple of years ago at Arlington there was some info on
a company making up fitted earphones based on hearing
aid technology. They would make a mold of the inside of
your ears and go from there. No big earphones hanging off
your head. I filed that info in a safe place- safe from me it
appears. Oh, well.
> << I wonder how these work with just the antenna that is
> attached to the unit? How many of you have a remote
> antenna? (That Model A might drown it out anyway, we
> shall see.)
Clif
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