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1. 02:20 AM - Wounded Piet to be healed! (John Dilatush)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: Continental Engine Mount Bolts (Rcaprd@aol.com)
3. 03:10 PM - Re: First Flight Procedure (Carl D. Vought)
4. 03:34 PM - Re: Extra Fuel Tanks (Carl D. Vought)
5. 03:45 PM - Re: Wounded Piet to be healed! (Carl D. Vought)
6. 04:23 PM - Re: First Flight Procedure (Larry Nelson)
7. 06:03 PM - Re: First Flight Procedure (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
8. 06:10 PM - Question Re: wing dihedral (Gordon Bowen)
9. 07:20 PM - Re: First Flight Procedure (Larry Nelson)
10. 07:39 PM - Handheld / GPS (Ted Brousseau)
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| Subject: | Wounded Piet to be healed! |
Pieters,
I am pleased to inform members of this list that Greg Bacon has purchased "Mountain
Piet" and will restore the plane to it's former good health.
He will gently and carefully build a new left wing panel interspersed with the
chores of building a new home, caring for a growing family, and maintaining a
good relationship with his wife.
Greg has already discovered the reason for the unplaned landing, (the connection
between the turbo and throttle body blew apart) and is taking steps to insure
that it will not happen again.
I still consider myself as a Pietenpol enthusiast and plan to continue monitoring
the list and might enter such discussions as would be helpful.
"Mountain Piet" has truly found a competent loving and caring owner with Greg Bacon!
John Dilatush
Salida, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Continental Engine Mount Bolts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/18/04 11:55:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
BARNSTMR@aol.com writes:
<< I just re-checked the plans.... they say to "Ream for 7/16 dia. bolt".
BUT.... my Continental Maintenance and overhaul manual calls for 3/8"
diameter
bolts. ALSO... I just went out to the shop and was looking at my A75 engine
which is still bolted to a taylorcraft engine mount. It has 3/8" diameter
bolts.
I think the rubber cone bushings that you buy from parts houses would surely
be the same no matter what airplane. I am going to purchase 3/8" bolts.
And,
I am making a note on my plans to change the bolt boss I.D. to 3/8".
For the shank length I am adding the 1.5" plans dimension of the mount boss
to the 1 and 19/32" dimension of the aluminum casting on the engine and
another
9/32" for the large washer on the nut end. (These #s come from my
Continental maintenance and overhaul manual.) This totals........... 3.375"
for shank
length. So Chuck's shank length is correct.
SUMMARY:
bolt DIA = 3/8
bolt shank length 3 and 3/8 inch
While were on the subject... The bolts I am going to buy for the engine
mount-to-firewall bracket should be 5/16" DIA and...1 and 7/16" shank length.
Terry >>
The plans Do say "Ream for 7/16" dia. bolt". The bushings I bought from AS&S
probably were for 3/8" bolts, but 7/16" bolts did go through them without
much effort. The engine mount washers washers from AS&S fit the 7/16" bolts
perfectly. These washers are about 1/8" thick. I used 7/16" bolts.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight Procedure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Larry..Best wishes to you and to 444MH. Does 444MH still have the light-and-
dark wood laminated prop? Some time ago, there was an article on the making
of that prop written by Grant McLauren. I've emailed Grant, asking if he
remembers where and/or when it was published...no response. Does anyone out
there remember the article? can you refer me to the source??? Carl Vought
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:49:15 -0700 (PDT), Larry Nelson
<lnelson208@yahoo.com> wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Sometime next week, I will be hanging the wings,
> connecting the controls and installing the fairings in
> preparation for MY first flight of N444MH, the Howard
> Henderson Pietenpol. I have been pondering the
> procedure I will use. This plane was flying up to the
> time I went to Virginia to trailer it to SW MO. Joe
> Santana flew it the day he took the wings off for me.
>
> Here is my list and I am soliciting advice by posting
> this. You folks can work on this for about a week and
> then it is "go" time.
>
> Assemble plane. Mount wings, install struts, and
> fairings. Connect controls.
> Check oil
> Check fuel quality and quantity
> Check coolant
> Check tire pressures
> Check controls
> Start engine and warm up, check guages
> After warm up, do static power test
> Do high speed run, tail up, on main gear
> Cross fingers and take off
> Gain enough altitude to do some gentle turns
> Return to pattern for first landing
> Approach at 55 and do not slow until flare
>
> That is all I have come up with. It is different that
> the checklist I use with my Bonanza <vbg>.
>
>
> =====
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Extra Fuel Tanks |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Hi Galen...If I were in your shoes, I would contact Ken Perkins. He knows
an awful lot about the A engine and not only that, he manufactures parts
for the engine and airplane. Carl Vought
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 15:37:00 -0700 (PDT), Galen Hutcheson
<wacopitts@yahoo.com> wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson
<wacopitts@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am new to the list but have been reading the archives for several weeks
now and want to join in on the discussions. I hope I am doing this right
as I am not anywhere close to being competent on the computer. My name is
Galen Hutcheson, but my flying buddies all call me "Doc." I am now retired
and am building my first airplane...a (hopefully) Ford Model A powered
aircamper. I have several ribs completed and am working on the right
fuselage half. I just framed in my design for a small door today. I have
flown for over thirty years the last ten years or so commercially. I have
owned many aircraft to include two Pitts Specials (one I flew airshows
professionally in), two antique biplanes one a 1929 Kinner Bird and the
other a 1930 Waco KNF. Both of which I barnstormed across the country in
(I barnstormed around four years ranging from northern Wisconsis to the
southern regions of Florida depending on the seasons...and yes, I did a lot
of sleeping under the wing). I own
> ed a
> 1947 Aeronica L-16A that I towed banners with, a PT-2, a 1940
Porterfield LP-65 and let's see...an ultralite and a gyro copter. I forgot
to mention the 1979 Decathalon I taught acro in for awhile.
>
> I am looking forward to building this Piet and want to equip it with a
Ford engine. I would like to buy one ready to fly or a core engine with
info (ie. mechanic) on how to get the engine converted. Any help would be
appreciated.
>
> Now to the origional question about multiple fuel tanks. My L-16 had the
usual 13 gal tank in the nose and I later installed two wing tanks (each
held 5 gal of fuel). The wing tanks gravity fed unto the main fuselage
tank and were fed via stop cock valves located in the cockpit (similar to
what Lindberg used in the Spirit of St. Louis). This system worked fine,
except sometimes you had to do some unusal attitude flying to get the fuel
to drain down but not a real problem. This system nearly doubled my fuel
capicity and I would do it again. Hope this is of some help and I am going
to enjoy this new family of Piet builders.
>
> Galen (Doc) Hutcheson
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wounded Piet to be healed! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Greg is a very lucky guy!...Do not archive
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 03:19:58 -0600, "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
>
>
>
> Pieters,
>
> I am pleased to inform members of this list that Greg Bacon has
purchased "Mountain Piet" and will restore the plane to it's former good
health.
>
> He will gently and carefully build a new left wing panel interspersed
with the chores of building a new home, caring for a growing family, and
maintaining a good relationship with his wife.
>
> Greg has already discovered the reason for the unplaned landing, (the
connection between the turbo and throttle body blew apart) and is taking
steps to insure that it will not happen again.
>
> I still consider myself as a Pietenpol enthusiast and plan to continue
monitoring the list and might enter such discussions as would be helpful.
>
> "Mountain Piet" has truly found a competent loving and caring owner with
Greg Bacon!
>
> John Dilatush
> Salida, Colorado
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight Procedure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
I have two props and they both match that description.
I have complete builders documents in Howards original
spiral notebooks. The construction and installation
and flight testing of the current prop is well
documented. I will give more information as I dig into
these books. (btw- both props are works of art).
--- "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D.
> Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
>
> Larry..Best wishes to you and to 444MH. Does 444MH
> still have the light-and-
> dark wood laminated prop? Some time ago, there was
> an article on the making
> of that prop written by Grant McLauren. I've emailed
> Grant, asking if he
> remembers where and/or when it was published...no
> response. Does anyone out
> there remember the article? can you refer me to the
> source??? Carl Vought
>
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:49:15 -0700 (PDT), Larry
> Nelson
> <lnelson208@yahoo.com> wrote :
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson
> <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Sometime next week, I will be hanging the wings,
> > connecting the controls and installing the
> fairings in
> > preparation for MY first flight of N444MH, the
> Howard
> > Henderson Pietenpol. I have been pondering the
> > procedure I will use. This plane was flying up to
> the
> > time I went to Virginia to trailer it to SW MO.
> Joe
> > Santana flew it the day he took the wings off for
> me.
> >
> > Here is my list and I am soliciting advice by
> posting
> > this. You folks can work on this for about a week
> and
> > then it is "go" time.
> >
> > Assemble plane. Mount wings, install struts, and
> > fairings. Connect controls.
> > Check oil
> > Check fuel quality and quantity
> > Check coolant
> > Check tire pressures
> > Check controls
> > Start engine and warm up, check guages
> > After warm up, do static power test
> > Do high speed run, tail up, on main gear
> > Cross fingers and take off
> > Gain enough altitude to do some gentle turns
> > Return to pattern for first landing
> > Approach at 55 and do not slow until flare
> >
> > That is all I have come up with. It is different
> that
> > the checklist I use with my Bonanza <vbg>.
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Larry Nelson
> > Springfield, MO
> > Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> > Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
> > 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> > SV/ Spirit of America
> > ARS WB0JOT
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> finish.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight Procedure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
The man who gave the model A carburettor talk at Brodhead, Terry Oberer, has
a prop like that in his closet at Byrnes Mill, MO, he said Howard Henderson
made it. He, Grant McLaren and Howard Henderson are close friends. Terry
showed it to me when I was at his house a while back.
Dennis Engelkenjohn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Procedure
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought"
<carbarvo@knology.net>
>
> Larry..Best wishes to you and to 444MH. Does 444MH still have the
light-and-
> dark wood laminated prop? Some time ago, there was an article on the
making
> of that prop written by Grant McLauren. I've emailed Grant, asking if he
> remembers where and/or when it was published...no response. Does anyone
out
> there remember the article? can you refer me to the source??? Carl Vought
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:49:15 -0700 (PDT), Larry Nelson
> <lnelson208@yahoo.com> wrote :
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson
<lnelson208@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Sometime next week, I will be hanging the wings,
> > connecting the controls and installing the fairings in
> > preparation for MY first flight of N444MH, the Howard
> > Henderson Pietenpol. I have been pondering the
> > procedure I will use. This plane was flying up to the
> > time I went to Virginia to trailer it to SW MO. Joe
> > Santana flew it the day he took the wings off for me.
> >
> > Here is my list and I am soliciting advice by posting
> > this. You folks can work on this for about a week and
> > then it is "go" time.
> >
> > Assemble plane. Mount wings, install struts, and
> > fairings. Connect controls.
> > Check oil
> > Check fuel quality and quantity
> > Check coolant
> > Check tire pressures
> > Check controls
> > Start engine and warm up, check guages
> > After warm up, do static power test
> > Do high speed run, tail up, on main gear
> > Cross fingers and take off
> > Gain enough altitude to do some gentle turns
> > Return to pattern for first landing
> > Approach at 55 and do not slow until flare
> >
> > That is all I have come up with. It is different that
> > the checklist I use with my Bonanza <vbg>.
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Larry Nelson
> > Springfield, MO
> > Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> > Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
> > 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> > SV/ Spirit of America
> > ARS WB0JOT
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Question re: wing dihedral |
I'm in the process of rebuilding N-1033B, wrecked a couple years ago. Wings are
not BH's design, they're off of an Aeronca, no evidence of dihedral except for
possible adjustments to lift struts. For you old timer purest, zippin' around
with Model A's, did Bernie put any dihedral in his original wing design.
Did later design mods have anything other than a straight wing. Lastly, what's
the actual vs published stall speed on original designs.
Gordon Bowen
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight Procedure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Dennis, if you don't mind, email me your phone number.
--- Dennis Engelkenjohn <wingding@usmo.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis
> Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
>
> The man who gave the model A carburettor talk at
> Brodhead, Terry Oberer, has
> a prop like that in his closet at Byrnes Mill, MO,
> he said Howard Henderson
> made it. He, Grant McLaren and Howard Henderson are
> close friends. Terry
> showed it to me when I was at his house a while
> back.
> Dennis Engelkenjohn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Procedure
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D.
> Vought"
> <carbarvo@knology.net>
> >
> > Larry..Best wishes to you and to 444MH. Does 444MH
> still have the
> light-and-
> > dark wood laminated prop? Some time ago, there was
> an article on the
> making
> > of that prop written by Grant McLauren. I've
> emailed Grant, asking if he
> > remembers where and/or when it was published...no
> response. Does anyone
> out
> > there remember the article? can you refer me to
> the source??? Carl Vought
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:49:15 -0700 (PDT), Larry
> Nelson
> > <lnelson208@yahoo.com> wrote :
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry
> Nelson
> <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Sometime next week, I will be hanging the wings,
> > > connecting the controls and installing the
> fairings in
> > > preparation for MY first flight of N444MH, the
> Howard
> > > Henderson Pietenpol. I have been pondering the
> > > procedure I will use. This plane was flying up
> to the
> > > time I went to Virginia to trailer it to SW MO.
> Joe
> > > Santana flew it the day he took the wings off
> for me.
> > >
> > > Here is my list and I am soliciting advice by
> posting
> > > this. You folks can work on this for about a
> week and
> > > then it is "go" time.
> > >
> > > Assemble plane. Mount wings, install struts, and
> > > fairings. Connect controls.
> > > Check oil
> > > Check fuel quality and quantity
> > > Check coolant
> > > Check tire pressures
> > > Check controls
> > > Start engine and warm up, check guages
> > > After warm up, do static power test
> > > Do high speed run, tail up, on main gear
> > > Cross fingers and take off
> > > Gain enough altitude to do some gentle turns
> > > Return to pattern for first landing
> > > Approach at 55 and do not slow until flare
> > >
> > > That is all I have come up with. It is different
> that
> > > the checklist I use with my Bonanza <vbg>.
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Larry Nelson
> > > Springfield, MO
> > > Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> > > Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
> > > 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> > > SV/ Spirit of America
> > > ARS WB0JOT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________
> finish.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
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>
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Chuck,
I got the same thing when using the rubber antenna on the handheld. Is that
what you are using? When I hooked the handheld to a "real" antenna the
noise went away.
Ted Brousseau
In finally sunny SW Florida
> Time: 06:25:53 PM PST US
> From: Rcaprd@aol.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld / GPS
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> While we're on the subject of radios, I do have a problem with my GPS
> interfering with the headset. Whenever the GPS is turned on, it causes
noise over
> my
> headset, but no problem when recieving, or transmitting. I've tried
several
> different locations, but it's always there when the GPS is turned
on...very
> annoying. I can hold my hand on top of the GPS, and most of the noise
goes
> away. This lead me to try using alluminum foil over and around the GPS,
but it
>
> didn't reduce the noise at all. Any ideas ?
>
> Chuck G.
>
>
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