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1. 01:59 AM - first flight checklist (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 04:32 AM - Re: first flight checklist (Larry Nelson)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: Handheld / GPS (Rcaprd@aol.com)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Howard's prop was First Flight Procedure (Michael Conkling)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: Question Re: wing dihedral (Rcaprd@aol.com)
6. 07:21 AM - Re: Question Re: wing dihedral (Larry Nelson)
7. 07:52 AM - flying the airplane (Michael D Cuy)
8. 09:47 AM - Re: Question Re: wing dihedral (Gordon Bowen)
9. 12:38 PM - Re: Under Seat Storage (Mike King)
10. 01:23 PM - Any News fro Corky? (Gary Gower)
11. 02:46 PM - Re: Any News fro Corky? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
12. 02:47 PM - first flight checklist. (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
13. 04:22 PM - Re: first flight checklist. (Larry Nelson)
14. 04:31 PM - 4130 source? Building motormount soon. (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
15. 05:26 PM - Re: 4130 source? Building motormount soon. (DJ Vegh)
16. 05:53 PM - unsuscribe (Juan Andreani)
17. 06:18 PM - Re: 4130 source? Building motormount soon. (Javier Cruz)
18. 06:47 PM - Re: 4130 source? Building motormount soon. (Rcaprd@aol.com)
19. 07:14 PM - Re: Any News fro Corky? (Rcaprd@aol.com)
20. 07:20 PM - Re: first flight checklist. (Rcaprd@aol.com)
21. 09:27 PM - Intake manifold (Ralph)
22. 10:50 PM - Re: First Flight Procedure (Mike Luther)
23. 10:59 PM - Re: Question Re: wing dihedral (Mike Luther)
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| Subject: | first flight checklist |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Larry: Since the wings have been off, you might want to make sure that
the ailerons move the right direction with movement of the stick. They
sometimes get hooked up backwards. Leon S. Hutchinson, Ks.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight checklist |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Leon, I have that one on my list, not just the
ailerons but elevators and rudder.
Years ago, I rebuilt a Tri Pacer. It was one year from
the time I took the horizontal stabilizers off until
the time I put them back on. When you pull the
horizontal stabilizers off of a PA 22, the fitting
into which they are attached inside the tailcone
swings done on it's "axle". I forgot that fact and
hooked up the horizontal stabilizer into that fitting
while it was in it's "down" positition. With permision
from the highway patrol in Broken Bow Nebrasksa, I
taxied down the city streets to a highway and took off
for the short flight to the airport. I just could not
trim nose down after takeoff. (She leaped into the
air, and I had to hold "down" wheel
pressure.....bigtime.) I made an uneventful landing
(she flared herself <vbg>) and then looked at my
buddies Tripacer to see what had happened to mine. At
rest, the control wheels where WAY out of the panel,
right in your chest.
I ferried her to Grand Island for annual and started
removing panels, etc.....and a mechanic came over and
pointed out, without a blink, that my tail was way out
of whack, and all I had to do was demount the
horizontals and swing their "mount" UP where it
belonged. (The "mount" I am referring to is the trim
bellcrank.....at least that is what I call it.)
Ain't it funny how forgiving these birds are?
--- Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
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> Larry: Since the wings have been off, you might want
> to make sure that
> the ailerons move the right direction with movement
> of the stick. They
> sometimes get hooked up backwards. Leon S.
> Hutchinson, Ks.
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Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
1963 GMC 4106-1618
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld / GPS |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/19/04 9:40:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
nfn00979@naples.net writes:
<< Chuck,
I got the same thing when using the rubber antenna on the handheld. Is that
what you are using? When I hooked the handheld to a "real" antenna the
noise went away.
Ted Brousseau
In finally sunny SW Florida >>
Ted,
Yes, I'm currently using the rubber antenna. That's very encouraging to know
that the noise went away when you hooked up a 'real' antenna !! I'll be
installing one very soon.
Chuck G.
Great to hear the sun is finally shinning in Florida !!
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| Subject: | Re: Howard's prop was First Flight Procedure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
Howard gave a talk on prop carving at the 1st Brodhead I ever went to (in
'97) -- I got his drawings for his prop with cross sections & lamination
outlines. On his drawings, Howard calls out maple for the light lams &
walnut for the dark lams. -- (6) lams total -- starting from the hub
side,1st (2) lams are 3/4" thick, with the maple next to the hub. Next (3)
are 1/2" thick -- last lam. is 3/4". The drawings are layed out for 76" x
42", but he also had angles for 76" x 40".
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Procedure
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn"
<wingding@usmo.com>
>
> The man who gave the model A carburetor talk at Brodhead, Terry Oberer,
has
> a prop like that in his closet at Byrnes Mill, MO, he said Howard
Henderson
> made it. He, Grant McLaren and Howard Henderson are close friends. Terry
> showed it to me when I was at his house a while back.
> Dennis Engelkenjohn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Procedure
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought"
> <carbarvo@knology.net>
> >
> > Larry..Best wishes to you and to 444MH. Does 444MH still have the
> light-and-
> > dark wood laminated prop? Some time ago, there was an article on the
> making
> > of that prop written by Grant McLauren. I've emailed Grant, asking if he
> > remembers where and/or when it was published...no response. Does anyone
> out
> > there remember the article? can you refer me to the source??? Carl
Vought
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Question re: wing dihedral |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/19/04 8:11:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
gbowen@ptialaska.net writes:
<< For you old timer purest, zippin' around with Model A's, did Bernie put
any dihedral in his original wing design. Did later design mods have anything
other than a straight wing. Lastly, what's the actual vs published stall speed
on original designs. >>
Gordon,
I'm not exactly an old timer (I'm still under 50 yrs old), but I can tell you
that Bernard did not put any dihedral in the original wing, or any mods. The
plans clearly call out a straight wing. I believe he may have put just a
very tiny little bit of dihedral in the wing, just to avoid the optical illusion
- drooped wing tip look of a straight wing...but not for dihedral effect. You
have to really eyeball the wing to see it. I don't believe there is a
published stall speed, but the plans do call out 'Landing Speed - 40 mph.' Actual
stall speeds are slightly different for each ship...weight and rigging being
the determining factor, but usually about 30 to 35 mph. At such a high angle
of attack of the original airfoil, there is a LOT of induced drag, and it slows
down very quickly. It's like a big ol' parachute. On the other hand, it has
a LOT of lift, as long as you don't surpass the 'Critical Angle of Attack'.
Chuck G.
p.s. Does N1033B have a Model A engine ?
How old is an Old Timer ?
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| Subject: | Re: Question re: wing dihedral |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
When I climbed into a Cub last week, I asked the CFI
for some speeds. He told me to just feel the plane
out, that speeds weren't important and I would not be
able to see the panel too well anyway. I guess I will
use the same plan on my first flight with A Powered
N444MH. I will tend toward the high side, and see how
she feels. She does not have an airspeed indicator,
just the spring loaded thingy on the strut, which may
or may not get included in my "scan"......
--- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
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> In a message dated 9/19/04 8:11:03 PM Central
> Daylight Time,
> gbowen@ptialaska.net writes:
>
> << For you old timer purest, zippin' around with
> Model A's, did Bernie put
> any dihedral in his original wing design. Did later
> design mods have anything
> other than a straight wing. Lastly, what's the
> actual vs published stall speed
> on original designs. >>
>
> Gordon,
> I'm not exactly an old timer (I'm still under 50 yrs
> old), but I can tell you
> that Bernard did not put any dihedral in the
> original wing, or any mods. The
> plans clearly call out a straight wing. I believe
> he may have put just a
> very tiny little bit of dihedral in the wing, just
> to avoid the optical illusion
> - drooped wing tip look of a straight wing...but not
> for dihedral effect. You
> have to really eyeball the wing to see it. I don't
> believe there is a
> published stall speed, but the plans do call out
> 'Landing Speed - 40 mph.' Actual
> stall speeds are slightly different for each
> ship...weight and rigging being
> the determining factor, but usually about 30 to 35
> mph. At such a high angle
> of attack of the original airfoil, there is a LOT of
> induced drag, and it slows
> down very quickly. It's like a big ol' parachute.
> On the other hand, it has
> a LOT of lift, as long as you don't surpass the
> 'Critical Angle of Attack'.
>
> Chuck G.
> p.s. Does N1033B have a Model A engine ?
> How old is an Old Timer ?
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Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | flying the airplane |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
On a hot day when you have full power and a load of camping gear and full
fuel, the Pietenpol
can seem like an accident waiting to happen on climb-out if you get the
nose too high. Like somebody
posted here recently that after takeoff you lower the nose.
It's fun to play the "don't touch the throttle" game after you pull the
power back abeam of the numbers.
At some airports this is not possible because you might live at one of
these airports where there is faster
traffic and the guys fly big patterns. A "don't touch the throttle"
routine shows you what an engine-out glide
might be like if you had to perform one. The only thing I can advise
after a few hours behind the stick is that
you don't pick a landing site wayyy out there, but right under you. (or
there abouts)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Question re: wing dihedral |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Chuck,
Thanks for your help. I've looked at a bunch of pictures of Piets, and it
was impossible to tell if the dihedral was put into the wings or just slight
adjustments to the lift struts. Ole Timers- are fully qualified at any age,
if purest at heart, wood, rag, model A. The guy I got this plane from was
the second owner, so he wasn't a purest or a builder, but he did fly the
bird over 1000 hours before going into a corn field in Missouri. He told me
he had flown to Brodhead one time and was kinda looked at funny because the
plane is metal tube fuselage, Aeronca wings, and Conti C-85 engine. I'm
going to stick with an 0-200 or smaller engine since the last one got badly
damaged. Seems someone forgot to secure one of the nuts holding on a
connecting rod, therefore threw the piston, wrecked the plane. Once again
thanks for your help.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question re: wing dihedral
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/19/04 8:11:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
> gbowen@ptialaska.net writes:
>
> << For you old timer purest, zippin' around with Model A's, did Bernie put
> any dihedral in his original wing design. Did later design mods have
anything
> other than a straight wing. Lastly, what's the actual vs published stall
speed
> on original designs. >>
>
> Gordon,
> I'm not exactly an old timer (I'm still under 50 yrs old), but I can tell
you
> that Bernard did not put any dihedral in the original wing, or any mods.
The
> plans clearly call out a straight wing. I believe he may have put just a
> very tiny little bit of dihedral in the wing, just to avoid the optical
illusion
> - drooped wing tip look of a straight wing...but not for dihedral effect.
You
> have to really eyeball the wing to see it. I don't believe there is a
> published stall speed, but the plans do call out 'Landing Speed - 40 mph.'
Actual
> stall speeds are slightly different for each ship...weight and rigging
being
> the determining factor, but usually about 30 to 35 mph. At such a high
angle
> of attack of the original airfoil, there is a LOT of induced drag, and it
slows
> down very quickly. It's like a big ol' parachute. On the other hand, it
has
> a LOT of lift, as long as you don't surpass the 'Critical Angle of
Attack'.
>
> Chuck G.
> p.s. Does N1033B have a Model A engine ?
> How old is an Old Timer ?
>
>
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| Subject: | Under Seat Storage |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike King" <mike@mking.us>
Terry,
Under my rear (airplane) seat, I keep my ELT, portable tie downs,
oil, spare batteries (for the radio & gps) and a few other small
items.
The rear seat is on a removable piece of wood and fits over two
plastic trays that contain the above items.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BARNSTMR@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Under Seat Storage
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
I exchanged some emails with Jim Markle yesterday at work after I
saw a picture of his pilot's seat with a hinged bottom. (They
should have never given me internet at work.) He got me thinking
about using this space for cargo. I had already been wanting to
beef up the seat structure anyway because I thought the original
builder had made it too light. I thought about it all day
yesterday and even during my son's 7th grade "away" football game
last nite. We got home at 11pm. I had been dying to look over
my seat structure all day. So I went out to the shop to study
how I might design something there. This led to poster board
mock up work. Before I knew it....the clock said 3am. I am
excited to report that I have come up with a neat little sheet
metal compartment design. There's actually more space down there
than I expected. You could certainly keep a quart or two of oil,
some rags, fuel strainer, etc... down there. And I accomplished a
light weight beef up in the p!
rocess. I am paying close attention to protecting elev. and
rudder cables. I plan to work on it some this weekend. I'll try
to post pictures soon.
I am on a roll...streak of 7 evenings in a row working on the
Piet. One of them a VERY late-nighter. I am draggin at work
today... needing a nap big time.
:)
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Any News fro Corky? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I read the news, they always make disaster bigger that really is.
So I hope Corky, his Bride and family are Ok...
Any one over there has got in touch with him?
I will appreciate very much, here is still raining very much but the
flooding after each storm is inside "normal" parameters...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Guadalajara, Mexico.
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| Subject: | Re: Any News fro Corky? |
Thanks Gary for your kind interest.
My bride and I have not experienced a single raindrop since August. I planted
some satsuma, lemon, naval oranges and rio red grapefruit trees on the 4th of
August. Have had two light rains since planting and am hand watering. They
are beginning to sprout some new growth and blossoms.
Have spent the remainder of the summer on Repiet. Have accomplished more than
projected. It's on the gear with the centersection almost completed. Am
building a cutout this time instead of the flop in order to get to the baggage
compartment in the c/s ala Mike Cuy. It weighs in about 152 lbs with wheels,
tires, fuel tank, tail wheel, cabanes and c/s and controls. No above longerons
wood
as yet.
BTW, since the Sport Pilot deal is in, and one could fly into your country if
he had permission from that country to enter, might just convince ole Chuck
Gantzer to fly along with me for a friendly south of the border trip if we were
accorded an invitation. How high are those hills?
Corky and his bride in Louisiana enjoying a most beautiful day
PS My computer took a 3 week break until Sat night.Was full of bugs.
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| Subject: | first flight checklist. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Larry: Thanks for the info on the Tri Pacer elevator hook up, I bought a
Tri Pacer back around 1980. I started restoring it and converted it to a
Pacer when my life went to hell in a hand basket. I managed to keep the
airplane, but finishing it will be a retirement project. I knew about
that strange elevator cable hook up, but had forgotten over the
years.........Gorden: Your Piet sounds like the Geide Sport built by
Richard Geide (long time engineer at Cessna) in Wichita many years ago.
It is pictured in an old Sport Av. in an article about a technique he
developed using polyurathane varnish as an alternative to expensive
covering processes. It started out as a Piet, but after he made a lot of
changes he decided to call it something different. He still maintained
that it is a Pietenpol deep down. I was talking to him about his paint
process last Sat. eve. and he told me that a later owner put it down in
a Mo. corn field He said it was a sweet flying airplane.......Chuck:
Speaking of Chapter 88. A guy there had a news paper clipping mailed to
him from a friend of his from Wheeling W. Va. about a guy from Wichita
flying around the country in a Pietenpol. imagine that! He passed it
around, but the meeting ended before it got to me. Leon S. Hutchinson
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| Subject: | Re: first flight checklist. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Leon, it is not so much to do with any "cabling". When
you pull the tail feathers, the trim thingie that
fastens to the leading each of the horizontal stabs,
since nothing is holding it up, it just swings down.
When you replace the stabs, just remember to rotate
that thing back up. The big problem is that the stabs
can still be inserted in the tail with the trim
do-hickey pointing down.....so you don't notice that
you have done anything wrong, unless you are smarter
than me, which is probable, cause I missed it.
--- Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
> Larry: Thanks for the info on the Tri Pacer elevator
> hook up, I bought a
> Tri Pacer back around 1980. I started restoring it
> and converted it to a
> Pacer when my life went to hell in a hand basket. I
> managed to keep the
> airplane, but finishing it will be a retirement
> project. I knew about
> that strange elevator cable hook up, but had
> forgotten over the
> years.........Gorden: Your Piet sounds like the
> Geide Sport built by
> Richard Geide (long time engineer at Cessna) in
> Wichita many years ago.
> It is pictured in an old Sport Av. in an article
> about a technique he
> developed using polyurathane varnish as an
> alternative to expensive
> covering processes. It started out as a Piet, but
> after he made a lot of
> changes he decided to call it something different.
> He still maintained
> that it is a Pietenpol deep down. I was talking to
> him about his paint
> process last Sat. eve. and he told me that a later
> owner put it down in
> a Mo. corn field He said it was a sweet flying
> airplane.......Chuck:
> Speaking of Chapter 88. A guy there had a news paper
> clipping mailed to
> him from a friend of his from Wheeling W. Va. about
> a guy from Wichita
> flying around the country in a Pietenpol. imagine
> that! He passed it
> around, but the meeting ended before it got to me.
> Leon S. Hutchinson
> Ks. Do not archive
>
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Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | 4130 source? Building motormount soon. |
I'm ready to build a motormount for a Continental A-80 engine. I was about to
order on-line from Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. In attempting to order 3/4
inch X .060 wall thickness, Aircraft Spruce doesn't offer this size.
I also need about 10 feet of 5/8 X .066. (I'm using a motormount jig that
Chuck G. loaned me and I'd like to follow his design to the letter ... including
tube sizes & thickness)
Can anyone suggest a good on-line source for 4130?
I think a 20 foot stick of 3/4 X .060 will suffice and provide excess
material for practice and a couple of other small pieces I need for something else.
Thanks
Sterling
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch
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| Subject: | Re: 4130 source? Building motormount soon. |
my mount for my Corvair, which weighs about 235lb ready to fly is made from 3/4"
.049 wall. I see no reason why an A-80 mount couldn't be made from the same.
AS&S has lots of 3/4 .049
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130 source? Building motormount soon.
I'm ready to build a motormount for a Continental A-80 engine. I was about to
order on-line from Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. In attempting to order 3/4
inch X .060 wall thickness, Aircraft Spruce doesn't offer this size.
I also need about 10 feet of 5/8 X .066. (I'm using a motormount jig that Chuck
G. loaned me and I'd like to follow his design to the letter ... including
tube sizes & thickness)
Can anyone suggest a good on-line source for 4130?
I think a 20 foot stick of 3/4 X .060 will suffice and provide excess material
for practice and a couple of other small pieces I need for something else.
Thanks
Sterling
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch
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| Subject: | 4130 source? Building motormount soon. |
Hi Steerling
All 4130 that ihave been used was from ASS.
Good luck on your motor mount
Javier Cruz
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| Subject: | Re: 4130 source? Building motormount soon. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/20/04 7:26:51 PM Central Daylight Time, djv@imagedv.com
writes:
<< my mount for my Corvair, which weighs about 235lb ready to fly is made
from 3/4" .049 wall. I see no reason why an A-80 mount couldn't be made from the
same. AS&S has lots of 3/4 .049
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130 source? Building motormount soon.
I'm ready to build a motormount for a Continental A-80 engine. I was about
to order on-line from Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. In attempting to order
3/4 inch X .060 wall thickness, Aircraft Spruce doesn't offer this size.
I also need about 10 feet of 5/8 X .066. (I'm using a motormount jig that
Chuck G. loaned me and I'd like to follow his design to the letter ...
including tube sizes & thickness)
Can anyone suggest a good on-line source for 4130?
I think a 20 foot stick of 3/4 X .060 will suffice and provide excess
material for practice and a couple of other small pieces I need for something
else.
Thanks
Sterling
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch >>
DJ,
The plans do call out for 3/4" X .049, but I built the mount 8" longer than
the plans, hence the reason for the thicker .060" wall material. It came from
Airparts Inc.
2400 Merriam Lane
Kansas City, Kansas 66106
Toll Free: 800-800-3229
Web site: www.airpartsinc.com
The 5/8" X .066 came from 'The Yard' here in Wichita. I measured the wall
thickness with a calliper, so the wall thickness is within a thousandth, or so.
Sterling,
Here are a few other supliers of 4130:
Another source of metal tubing and stuff for you:
Shapiro Supply in St. Louis, MO (http://www.shapirosupply.com)
"The Dillsburg Aeroplane Works"
Charles Vogelsong
114 Sawmill rd.
Dillsburg, Pa 17019
( 717 ) 432-4589
Factory Metal and Steel.
http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/factorysteel/
Their website claims: "Largest in-stock selection of 4130 tubing in the
country!" and "NO MINIMUM ORDER REQUIRED"
I came across them while searching for a local supplier. I have yet to
investigate pricing. Their toll free number is 888 IS ALLOY or 888-472-5569.
Aircraft Supply Company, 7204 Parwelk, Dallas, Texas 75235 214 637 3598
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| Subject: | Re: Any News fro Corky? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/20/04 4:47:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
<< BTW, since the Sport Pilot deal is in, and one could fly into your country
if
he had permission from that country to enter, might just convince ole Chuck
Gantzer to fly along with me for a friendly south of the border trip if we
were
accorded an invitation. How high are those hills? >>
When do we leave ? I've never been to Mexico. Could be another location for
my 'Places to fly to' list.
Sterling said: I'll tell Chuck that Javier is related to the Presidente, and
Javier has a key to all the Cuidads in Mexico and knows a Bonita Senorita
that Chuck can fly in his Air Camper.
Sterling, I don't speak Spanish...what is Cuidads & Bonita Senorita ? Sounds
like some kind of insect... :)
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight checklist. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/20/04 4:47:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
lshutks@webtv.net writes:
<< Chuck:
Speaking of Chapter 88. A guy there had a news paper clipping mailed to
him from a friend of his from Wheeling W. Va. about a guy from Wichita
flying around the country in a Pietenpol. imagine that! >>
Hey Leon,
Yes, two local hometown newspapers had an article & picture about me, my
plane, and 'Tour America'. I made the Big Times !! YEEE HAAWWW !!
Chuck G.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
In the plans it says to cut a notch in the intake manifold so the carb will
be level during flight. When the term "weld" is used to describe
reattaching the two parts, what did it mean in 1930? I assume it means to
braze together since it is cast iron. Am I correct in that assumption?
Carol and Ralph
Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight Procedure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net>
Carl:
I barely remember the article that you mentioned. Grant's lack of response does
not surprise me. I have a copy of Gary McGill's propeller duplicator manual, if
that would be of any help. You will still need atleast half of a prop to copy.
Mike L.
"Carl D. Vought" wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
>
> Larry..Best wishes to you and to 444MH. Does 444MH still have the light-and-
> dark wood laminated prop? Some time ago, there was an article on the making
> of that prop written by Grant McLauren. I've emailed Grant, asking if he
> remembers where and/or when it was published...no response. Does anyone out
> there remember the article? can you refer me to the source??? Carl Vought
>
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:49:15 -0700 (PDT), Larry Nelson
> <lnelson208@yahoo.com> wrote :
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Sometime next week, I will be hanging the wings,
> > connecting the controls and installing the fairings in
> > preparation for MY first flight of N444MH, the Howard
> > Henderson Pietenpol. I have been pondering the
> > procedure I will use. This plane was flying up to the
> > time I went to Virginia to trailer it to SW MO. Joe
> > Santana flew it the day he took the wings off for me.
> >
> > Here is my list and I am soliciting advice by posting
> > this. You folks can work on this for about a week and
> > then it is "go" time.
> >
> > Assemble plane. Mount wings, install struts, and
> > fairings. Connect controls.
> > Check oil
> > Check fuel quality and quantity
> > Check coolant
> > Check tire pressures
> > Check controls
> > Start engine and warm up, check guages
> > After warm up, do static power test
> > Do high speed run, tail up, on main gear
> > Cross fingers and take off
> > Gain enough altitude to do some gentle turns
> > Return to pattern for first landing
> > Approach at 55 and do not slow until flare
> >
> > That is all I have come up with. It is different that
> > the checklist I use with my Bonanza <vbg>.
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Larry Nelson
> > Springfield, MO
> > Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> > Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
> > 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> > SV/ Spirit of America
> > ARS WB0JOT
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question re: wing dihedral |
Gordon:
I just finished hanging my wings. I seem to recall in Bernies manual
that he wanted the wing to appear flat, but in order to do that there
has to be a little dihedral. So it's an illusion. Kinda like the top of
a Rolls Royce radiator. It has a bit of crown cause if it were truly
flat it would appear to be dished.
Mike L.
Gordon Bowen wrote:
> I'm in the process of rebuilding N-1033B, wrecked a couple years ago.
> Wings are not BH's design, they're off of an Aeronca, no evidence of
> dihedral except for possible adjustments to lift struts. For you old
> timer purest, zippin' around with Model A's, did Bernie put any
> dihedral in his original wing design. Did later design mods have
> anything other than a straight wing. Lastly, what's the actual vs
> published stall speed on original designs.Gordon Bowen
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