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1. 05:31 AM - Re: ELT Requirement ()
2. 05:51 AM - "How I carve Propellers" (Don Morris)
3. 10:13 AM - Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions. (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
4. 10:42 AM - Re: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions. (DJ Vegh)
5. 11:04 AM - Re: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions. (DJ Vegh)
6. 11:38 AM - Prop Stuff (Rcaprd@aol.com)
7. 12:38 PM - Re: Prop Stuff (DJ Vegh)
8. 04:06 PM - Re: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions. (cgalley)
9. 04:18 PM - Re: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions. (DJ Vegh)
10. 10:04 PM - Looking for a GN-1... (Steve Ruse)
11. 11:21 PM - Re: Looking for a GN-1... (DJ Vegh)
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Requirement |
Yes, I requested Tim Mahoney. One of the volunteer AB-DAR's who works out of St.
Cloud. The woman at the desk reminded me to include his name.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT Requirement
Greg
Did you remember to include the name of the DAR that you selected. The woman
at the desk at MIDO left my paperwork sit because I didn't include it.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT Requirement
It appears to be required but a lot of people do without. It doesn't seem to
be rigidly enforced.
P.S. Turned in the paperwork to the local MIDO office requesting the final
inspection. I hope the good weather holds out through October.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Bacon
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT Requirement
Greg,
My Corben Jr. Ace didn't have one and it passed two annual inspections with
no questions about an ELT. Are you sure it's required for homebuilts? Is
it a new requirement?
Greg Bacon
Missouri
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT Requirement
Guys,
Who has or has not installed an ELT? It appears that it is required by
the regs but I don't hear much on the list.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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| Subject: | "How I carve Propellers" |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Don Morris <pietbuilder@donsplans.com>
Hi.
We've talked about the author. Is there any source for the book? (I
tried downloading from the flying flea web site, but with my slow flakey
internet connection, I just finally gave up.)
-Don
javcr@prodigy.net.mx wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javcr@prodigy.net.mx
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>Hi Piets
>
>The first prop that i used was homemade 66x38 with ths prop just I can
>get 2550 rpm's static , after to read the Mr Alvin prop manual I made a
>64x32 with the shape of the picture of Oscar Zuiga Prop, much better,
>2950 static rpm's, that with avgas...
>Javier Cruz
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| Subject: | Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions. |
I have a chance to buy a Hegy prop for a Corvair engine for $500. Don't have
the stats for the prop, other than it has never been installed. I've been told
this prop is the correct pitch, etc. and perfect for a Corvair pumping out
100+ horsepower.
Does $500 sound like a fair price? I'm not familiar with pricing and props
for a Corvair. I've heard that Hegy (builder from Marfa, TX).
Lastly, I'm contemplating installing a Corvair in a Piet. I was impressed
with the Corvairs I saw flying at Brodhead this year. But, having had a bad
experience with a Mosler 82X a few years ago, I'm reluctant to go back to a car
engine.
What I didn't like about the 82X (souped up VW with Scat Racing Heads, beefy
crank and a hot camshaft) was a funky carb set up, no mixture control and
ultimately NO RELIABILITY. In addition, the Mosler could not produce any power
at
2,800 RPM and it really needed a reduction drive in order to get the
power-band and prop working where they both were happy. (I tried a number of different
props, and 2 different 82X engines, but the problem was with the Mosler and
funky non-aviation carb.
Is there a faithful carb with mixture control for the Corvair set up? What
about dual mags for a Corvair?
Thanks.
S.B.
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| Subject: | Re: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions. |
you will need more info before you can decide on that prop.... someone telling
you it is the perfect prop for a 110+ hp 'Vair means nothing. Yeah.. it may
be the perfect prop for a Corvair.... a 54X60 is a great prop for a Corvair.
it will absorb the power nicely.. but only for a plane that will cruise at 120+mph.
It would be useless on a Piet. I doubt it would even get airborne with
any level of safety. Also remember it needs to be a reverse direction prop
(unless you go with a reverse camshaft)
You want a prop that's gonna let you cruise around 75-80 or so at about 2400rpm.
This is a ballpark figure as I have no direct experience... it just seems
about right to me. You'll want a diameter around 62 to 66" with a pitch around
36 to 30" respectively. again... ballpark numbers
$500 sounds good. I paid $550 shipped to my door from Tennesee prop. They custom
build the prop to order. They use 1/16" laminations. There are 48 of them.
Most prop makers use 1/2" laminations. more laminations means a stiffer
stronger prop..... and some may think a more beautiful looking prop. You'll
also want to make sure the prop is through-bored to allow the William Wynne safetyshaft
to clear.
Do you have William Wynne's Corvair Conversion manual?
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions.
I have a chance to buy a Hegy prop for a Corvair engine for $500. Don't have
the stats for the prop, other than it has never been installed. I've been told
this prop is the correct pitch, etc. and perfect for a Corvair pumping out 100+
horsepower.
Does $500 sound like a fair price? I'm not familiar with pricing and props for
a Corvair. I've heard that Hegy (builder from Marfa, TX).
Lastly, I'm contemplating installing a Corvair in a Piet. I was impressed with
the Corvairs I saw flying at Brodhead this year. But, having had a bad experience
with a Mosler 82X a few years ago, I'm reluctant to go back to a car engine.
What I didn't like about the 82X (souped up VW with Scat Racing Heads, beefy
crank and a hot camshaft) was a funky carb set up, no mixture control and ultimately
NO RELIABILITY. In addition, the Mosler could not produce any power at
2,800 RPM and it really needed a reduction drive in order to get the power-band
and prop working where they both were happy. (I tried a number of different
props, and 2 different 82X engines, but the problem was with the Mosler and
funky non-aviation carb.
Is there a faithful carb with mixture control for the Corvair set up? What about
dual mags for a Corvair?
Thanks.
S.B.
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| Subject: | Re: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions. |
forgot to address a couple other questions in your email
as for concern about using a Corvair... just let that concern fade away. The
Cirvair is practically an Aero engine. It's closer to an Aero engine than any
other auto engine is... period. In about 8 months I'll have mine flying
and you can come out and fly it/see it anytime you want.
Dual mags can be done on a Corvair. I've seen it. It takes a tremendous amount
of re-engineering and machining. In my opinion it's not worth it. If you convert
the engine to William Wynne specs you will have dual redundancy in the
components of the ignition that fail.... the coil and points. I have dual points
in my distributor and I have 2 coils connected by a solid state auto coil
switch. If one coil should fail the switch automatically changes to the other
coil. Points never fail suddenly. It's usually a slow process that can be detected.
2 plugs are not needed in a Corvair like they are in an Aero engine. Look at an
Aero engine..... large displacement... there's alot of volume to ignite. You
need 2 plugs just to ignite and burn all the fuel... that's why a mag check
gives you a drop in RPM. there's raw fuel not being ignited by the 2nd plug.
Now in a Corvair where the volume is less there's just no need for a 2nd plug.
Even if you did have dual mags with 2 plugs in each cylinder I doubt a mag check
would show much of an RPM drop.
Sure there's an element of redundancy with dual mags but you are getting the same
redundancy with dual coils/points. The point of failure is usually not spark
plug wires or the spark plugs themselves. And of course... there's the need
for a battery to power the ignition with coil/points. yes.. if the battery
goes dead so does the engine, but that's not likely to happen and there are ways
to add in redundancy there if desired.
There are thousands of proven flight hours with Corvairs built to WW specs.
As for carbs.... you can't go wrong with a Marvel MA3-SPA. I am using a Stromberg
NAS-3A1 with mixture control, but there is large debate on how effective
the mixture really is on that carb.
DJ
----- Orginal Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions.
I have a chance to buy a Hegy prop for a Corvair engine for $500. Don't have
the stats for the prop, other than it has never been installed. I've been told
this prop is the correct pitch, etc. and perfect for a Corvair pumping out 100+
horsepower.
Does $500 sound like a fair price? I'm not familiar with pricing and props for
a Corvair. I've heard that Hegy (builder from Marfa, TX).
Lastly, I'm contemplating installing a Corvair in a Piet. I was impressed with
the Corvairs I saw flying at Brodhead this year. But, having had a bad experience
with a Mosler 82X a few years ago, I'm reluctant to go back to a car engine.
What I didn't like about the 82X (souped up VW with Scat Racing Heads, beefy
crank and a hot camshaft) was a funky carb set up, no mixture control and ultimately
NO RELIABILITY. In addition, the Mosler could not produce any power at
2,800 RPM and it really needed a reduction drive in order to get the power-band
and prop working where they both were happy. (I tried a number of different
props, and 2 different 82X engines, but the problem was with the Mosler and
funky non-aviation carb.
Is there a faithful carb with mixture control for the Corvair set up? What about
dual mags for a Corvair?
Thanks.
S.B.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/26/04 12:43:14 PM Central Daylight Time, djv@imagedv.com
writes:
<< I paid $550 shipped to my door from Tennesee prop. They custom build the
prop to order. They use 1/16" laminations. There are 48 of them. >>
DJ,
What type of adhesive does Tennesee Props use ?
The 'Wood Airplane Guru' in our area says T88 is hard on his planner
blades, so he uses Aeropoxy on his props. I've built 3 props, two for the Model
A, and one for the Continental. The first one for the Model A used Aeropoxy,
but I could chistle it apart at the glue joints. I used T88 on the next two.
I've been wanting to carve a Scimitar Prop for my Pietenpol, using the
methods in the book 'How to Carve a Prop' by Eric Clutton. Does anyone have any
infomation on someone that used his methods for carving a Scimitar Prop ?
Chuck G.
p.s. We've got some beautiful weather today in Kansas, so it's time to -
Kick the Tires,
Twang the Wires,
and Light the Fires !!
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
I'm not sure what adhesive Tennessee Props uses. But I am very very happy
with the quality of workmanship. Flight data still to be proven, but
appearance and quality are top notch. They also put a nice Urethane leading
edge on it (outter 2/3 of the blade) for an addition $50. Out here in the
desert where dirt strips are everywhere it was a no-brainer to get that
option.
I ran it on the test stand up to 2900rpm and it tracked perfectly.
I'll try to give them a call and see what they use.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Stuff
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/26/04 12:43:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
djv@imagedv.com
> writes:
>
> << I paid $550 shipped to my door from Tennesee prop. They custom build
the
> prop to order. They use 1/16" laminations. There are 48 of them. >>
>
>
> DJ,
> What type of adhesive does Tennesee Props use ?
> The 'Wood Airplane Guru' in our area says T88 is hard on his planner
> blades, so he uses Aeropoxy on his props. I've built 3 props, two for the
Model
> A, and one for the Continental. The first one for the Model A used
Aeropoxy,
> but I could chistle it apart at the glue joints. I used T88 on the next
two.
> I've been wanting to carve a Scimitar Prop for my Pietenpol, using the
> methods in the book 'How to Carve a Prop' by Eric Clutton. Does anyone
have any
> infomation on someone that used his methods for carving a Scimitar Prop ?
>
> Chuck G.
> p.s. We've got some beautiful weather today in Kansas, so it's time to -
> Kick the Tires,
> Twang the Wires,
> and Light the Fires !!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions. |
I different with your failure of points. They have and they do break... sudden
stop!
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions.
forgot to address a couple other questions in your email
as for concern about using a Corvair... just let that concern fade away.
The Cirvair is practically an Aero engine. It's closer to an Aero engine than
any other auto engine is... period. In about 8 months I'll have mine flying
and you can come out and fly it/see it anytime you want.
Dual mags can be done on a Corvair. I've seen it. It takes a tremendous amount
of re-engineering and machining. In my opinion it's not worth it. If you
convert the engine to William Wynne specs you will have dual redundancy in the
components of the ignition that fail.... the coil and points. I have dual points
in my distributor and I have 2 coils connected by a solid state auto coil
switch. If one coil should fail the switch automatically changes to the other
coil. Points never fail suddenly. It's usually a slow process that can be
detected.
2 plugs are not needed in a Corvair like they are in an Aero engine. Look at
an Aero engine..... large displacement... there's alot of volume to ignite.
You need 2 plugs just to ignite and burn all the fuel... that's why a mag check
gives you a drop in RPM. there's raw fuel not being ignited by the 2nd plug.
Now in a Corvair where the volume is less there's just no need for a 2nd plug.
Even if you did have dual mags with 2 plugs in each cylinder I doubt a mag
check would show much of an RPM drop.
Sure there's an element of redundancy with dual mags but you are getting the
same redundancy with dual coils/points. The point of failure is usually not spark
plug wires or the spark plugs themselves. And of course... there's the need
for a battery to power the ignition with coil/points. yes.. if the battery
goes dead so does the engine, but that's not likely to happen and there are
ways to add in redundancy there if desired.
There are thousands of proven flight hours with Corvairs built to WW specs.
As for carbs.... you can't go wrong with a Marvel MA3-SPA. I am using a Stromberg
NAS-3A1 with mixture control, but there is large debate on how effective
the mixture really is on that carb.
DJ
----- Orginal Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions.
I have a chance to buy a Hegy prop for a Corvair engine for $500. Don't have
the stats for the prop, other than it has never been installed. I've been told
this prop is the correct pitch, etc. and perfect for a Corvair pumping out
100+ horsepower.
Does $500 sound like a fair price? I'm not familiar with pricing and props
for a Corvair. I've heard that Hegy (builder from Marfa, TX).
Lastly, I'm contemplating installing a Corvair in a Piet. I was impressed with
the Corvairs I saw flying at Brodhead this year. But, having had a bad experience
with a Mosler 82X a few years ago, I'm reluctant to go back to a car engine.
What I didn't like about the 82X (souped up VW with Scat Racing Heads, beefy
crank and a hot camshaft) was a funky carb set up, no mixture control and ultimately
NO RELIABILITY. In addition, the Mosler could not produce any power
at 2,800 RPM and it really needed a reduction drive in order to get the power-band
and prop working where they both were happy. (I tried a number of different
props, and 2 different 82X engines, but the problem was with the Mosler and
funky non-aviation carb.
Is there a faithful carb with mixture control for the Corvair set up? What
about dual mags for a Corvair?
Thanks.
S.B.
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| Subject: | Re: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions. |
well... I've never heard of a sudden points failure.... but hey.. Magnetos have
points too. In any case there are 2 sets of points in my distributor so redundancy
is there.
----- Original Message -----
From: cgalley
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions.
I different with your failure of points. They have and they do break... sudden
stop!
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions.
forgot to address a couple other questions in your email
as for concern about using a Corvair... just let that concern fade away.
The Cirvair is practically an Aero engine. It's closer to an Aero engine than
any other auto engine is... period. In about 8 months I'll have mine flying
and you can come out and fly it/see it anytime you want.
Dual mags can be done on a Corvair. I've seen it. It takes a tremendous amount
of re-engineering and machining. In my opinion it's not worth it. If you
convert the engine to William Wynne specs you will have dual redundancy in
the components of the ignition that fail.... the coil and points. I have dual
points in my distributor and I have 2 coils connected by a solid state auto coil
switch. If one coil should fail the switch automatically changes to the other
coil. Points never fail suddenly. It's usually a slow process that can
be detected.
2 plugs are not needed in a Corvair like they are in an Aero engine. Look
at an Aero engine..... large displacement... there's alot of volume to ignite.
You need 2 plugs just to ignite and burn all the fuel... that's why a mag check
gives you a drop in RPM. there's raw fuel not being ignited by the 2nd plug.
Now in a Corvair where the volume is less there's just no need for a 2nd plug.
Even if you did have dual mags with 2 plugs in each cylinder I doubt a mag
check would show much of an RPM drop.
Sure there's an element of redundancy with dual mags but you are getting the
same redundancy with dual coils/points. The point of failure is usually not
spark plug wires or the spark plugs themselves. And of course... there's the
need for a battery to power the ignition with coil/points. yes.. if the battery
goes dead so does the engine, but that's not likely to happen and there are
ways to add in redundancy there if desired.
There are thousands of proven flight hours with Corvairs built to WW specs.
As for carbs.... you can't go wrong with a Marvel MA3-SPA. I am using a Stromberg
NAS-3A1 with mixture control, but there is large debate on how effective
the mixture really is on that carb.
DJ
----- Orginal Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hegy prop for a Corvair, and carb questions.
I have a chance to buy a Hegy prop for a Corvair engine for $500. Don't have
the stats for the prop, other than it has never been installed. I've been
told this prop is the correct pitch, etc. and perfect for a Corvair pumping out
100+ horsepower.
Does $500 sound like a fair price? I'm not familiar with pricing and props
for a Corvair. I've heard that Hegy (builder from Marfa, TX).
Lastly, I'm contemplating installing a Corvair in a Piet. I was impressed
with the Corvairs I saw flying at Brodhead this year. But, having had a bad experience
with a Mosler 82X a few years ago, I'm reluctant to go back to a car
engine.
What I didn't like about the 82X (souped up VW with Scat Racing Heads, beefy
crank and a hot camshaft) was a funky carb set up, no mixture control and
ultimately NO RELIABILITY. In addition, the Mosler could not produce any power
at 2,800 RPM and it really needed a reduction drive in order to get the power-band
and prop working where they both were happy. (I tried a number of different
props, and 2 different 82X engines, but the problem was with the Mosler
and funky non-aviation carb.
Is there a faithful carb with mixture control for the Corvair set up? What
about dual mags for a Corvair?
Thanks.
S.B.
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| Subject: | Looking for a GN-1... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
BlankDoes anyone know of any nice ones for sale, preferably not too far from
Texas? I'd prefer something with a certified engine, possibly a Corvair.
I've been checking controller.com & tradeaplane for the last couple of
months, but haven't found a whole lot. There is what appears to be a nice
GN-1 in Canada, but I'm shying away from that one because I'm afraid the
paperwork & getting a thorough inspection done might be a hassle.
If you have any pointers on what to look for, both good and bad, please let
me know! I don't know enough myself to ensure that I can avoid getting
burned.
Thanks for any help or input!
Steve Ruse
Irving, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a GN-1... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
hmmm.... I think Sterling Brooks is selling the GN-1 I sold him earlier this
year. He's in Texas.
hey Sterling.... are you selling that project? I thought I remembered you
saying you were.
DJ Vegh
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a GN-1...
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse"
<steve@wotelectronics.com>
>
> BlankDoes anyone know of any nice ones for sale, preferably not too far
from
> Texas? I'd prefer something with a certified engine, possibly a Corvair.
> I've been checking controller.com & tradeaplane for the last couple of
> months, but haven't found a whole lot. There is what appears to be a nice
> GN-1 in Canada, but I'm shying away from that one because I'm afraid the
> paperwork & getting a thorough inspection done might be a hassle.
>
> If you have any pointers on what to look for, both good and bad, please
let
> me know! I don't know enough myself to ensure that I can avoid getting
> burned.
>
> Thanks for any help or input!
>
> Steve Ruse
> Irving, TX
>
> Do not archive
>
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