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1. 04:59 AM - Piets for Sale on Barnstormers.com (Michael D Cuy)
2. 07:13 AM - Re: Another firewall question (Rick Holland)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: fluting the firewall (Rick Holland)
4. 07:43 AM - Re: Another firewall question (John Dilatush)
5. 08:35 AM - firewall/cockpit cowl overlap (Michael D Cuy)
6. 09:07 AM - Re: Invitation: Hank Styne's Weiner Roast (Mike King)
7. 10:48 AM - Firewall Insulation Material (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
8. 11:16 AM - Engine mount fittings and your firewall (Michael D Cuy)
9. 11:33 AM - Re: Firewall Insulation Material (Galen Hutcheson)
10. 12:16 PM - Re: Firewall Insulation Material (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 12:30 PM - Re: Firewall Insulation Material (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
12. 12:34 PM - on fire during a flight in an open cockpit (Michael D Cuy)
13. 12:48 PM - Re: Firewall Insulation Material (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 02:27 PM - Re: Fuel strainer mesh (Dale Johnson)
15. 03:01 PM - Re: Firewall Insulation Material (Galen Hutcheson)
16. 04:16 PM - Re: Fuel strainer mesh (Isablcorky@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Piets for Sale on Barnstormers.com |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
There are a few goodies for sale on Barnstormers right now. Check out:
http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php
Mike C.
(A fall-like 46 F this morning when I left for work. We're saving on
using the A/C at least:)
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| Subject: | Re: Another firewall question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Thanks for the info John, what is the best kind of tool for bending
(shrinking) sheet metal around a curve? Fluting plyers?
And one other sheet metal question, I have noticed that the edges of
cowling aluminum sheet is bent slightly all along its edge about a
half inch from the edge. Makes the cowling look a lot better. Any
special tool used for this or do you just lay the aluminum edge over
the edge of the workbench and beat on it?
Thanks
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:17:46 -0600, John Dilatush <dilatush@amigo.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:47 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another firewall question
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> =============================
> Rick,
>
> I used fiberfrax in between the ply firewall and .020 aluminum. Then
> around the edges of the firewall in order to mount the cowling, I made up
> some angle of .040 aluminum measuring .75 x .75 inches. This was fluted
> (shrunk) on one leg to fit the rounded top to the firewall and then screwed
> through the aluminum/fiberfrax/plywood sandwich.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> John
> ================================
> >
> > Is there any need to flute the edges of the firewall sheet metal on a
> > Piet? (As shown in Firewall Forward) or do you just cut the sheet to
> > match the same dimentions of the firewall ply?
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> > --
> > Rick Holland
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Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: fluting the firewall |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Thanks for the info Mike, did you attach the front edges of your
cowling aluminum to the bent-over edge of the firewall stainless sheet
with wood or sheet-metal screws? If so is it attached on the top,
bottom, and sides?
Thanks
Rick Holland
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:12:19 -0400, Michael D Cuy
<michael.d.cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Rick-- I fluted my curved portion ala Tony B. and it worked great. I
> wanted the firewall to not just lay over
> the plywood but to overlap the edges all the way around. I have a few
> small wood screws securing it to the
> 1/8" birch ply firewall and a very thin layer of fiberfrax we were throwing
> away at work here years ago.
> I don't know where you could find that stuff---possibly Wicks or ACS
> ? Dunno. This photo kinda shows the wrap around idea---least on the
> sides.
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> Mike
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Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Another firewall question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another firewall question
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Rick,
Fluting pliers are just the ticket for shrinking the leg of the angle which
fits against the firewall. The screws that hold the angle to the firewall
are then located inbetween the flutes. The flange of the angle that faces
away from the firewall is then smooth and you can easily fasten the cowl to
it.
To make the cowlings, first roll them the the radius that you need, then use
a sheet metal brake to make the crease on each side so that the angle of the
creased section is the same as the fuselage side. Then you can use brass
inserts threaded into the strips that hold the fabric away from the plywood
sides to provide for machine screws to fasten the cowlings. Be sure that
the "stand off strips" are made of a hardwood and of sufficient width to
receive the brass inserts.
John
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
> Thanks for the info John, what is the best kind of tool for bending
> (shrinking) sheet metal around a curve? Fluting plyers?
>
> And one other sheet metal question, I have noticed that the edges of
> cowling aluminum sheet is bent slightly all along its edge about a
> half inch from the edge. Makes the cowling look a lot better. Any
> special tool used for this or do you just lay the aluminum edge over
> the edge of the workbench and beat on it?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:17:46 -0600, John Dilatush <dilatush@amigo.net>
wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush"
<dilatush@amigo.net>
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:47 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another firewall question
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland
<at7000ft@gmail.com>
> > =============================
> > Rick,
> >
> > I used fiberfrax in between the ply firewall and .020 aluminum. Then
> > around the edges of the firewall in order to mount the cowling, I made
up
> > some angle of .040 aluminum measuring .75 x .75 inches. This was fluted
> > (shrunk) on one leg to fit the rounded top to the firewall and then
screwed
> > through the aluminum/fiberfrax/plywood sandwich.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > John
> > ================================
> > >
> > > Is there any need to flute the edges of the firewall sheet metal on a
> > > Piet? (As shown in Firewall Forward) or do you just cut the sheet to
> > > match the same dimentions of the firewall ply?
> > >
> > > Thank You
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rick Holland
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> --
> Rick Holland
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| Subject: | firewall/cockpit cowl overlap |
<ab80748b0409290747146a7d5f@mail.gmail.com>
<5.1.1.5.2.20040929120406.010a5ac0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>
Rick-- I used I think three wood screws that went thru the front edge of my
.025" aluminum
cockpit cowl thru the bent-over edge of the firewall, and then into a 1/2"
or so wide of spruce
that I bowed to glue to the aft side of the 1/8" birch ply firewall. (to
reinforce it a bit)
Then the engine cowl I overlapped around the perimeter of the firewall by
about 1/2".
There is an attached sketch that shows a bit more.
Mike
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| Subject: | Invitation: Hank Styne's Weiner Roast |
Hey Tick Hill Gang,
I would love to be there with you at Hank's but I have a
Shriner function that same day or I would fly the GN-1
there for dogs and fellowship.
Hopefully we will have some other events coming soon
before the cold (below 90 degrees) weather settles in
North Texas.
Have fun.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BARNSTMR@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Invitation: Hank Styne's Weiner Roast
Howdy all,
The attached is an invitation from Hank Styne to his 16th annual
Weiner Roast at his place near Grandview, TX. Hank says the
invite applies to all those whe were at the Tick Hill Fly-In. I
talked to Max Davis and Jim Markle today and both are planning to
be there. I'll see you all there.
Terry
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| Subject: | Firewall Insulation Material |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
I've convinced myself to use Fiberfrax on my firewall and I have a few friends
locally who also want some. So I just purchased a whole roll of 1/2" thick premium
quality Ceramic blanket, 2300 degree (1260 Celcius) maximum temperature
rating. It is 8# density for good strength and thermal protection.
I expect to have it here by the middle of next week. I'll have a lot more than
enough material than we need here. So I'll be glad to offer cut-offs to Piet
builders for what I paid... $1.45/ sq.ft. + shipping costs. It comes in 1/2"
thick X 24" width. Just let me know what length you need and send me your address
and a check or M.O. for the amount you need. I estimate UPS shipping cost
within lower 48 states to be between $6 to $12.
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Engine mount fittings and your firewall |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Terry and Group--- One thing that can bring tears to your eyes is not
having enough length on the metal ears of
those fittings that stick out thru your firewall that accept the bolts to
hold your motor mount on. (I guess the Ford has
the ash bearers, but the bottom are the same on all.
I made the ears on those fittings about 1/2" longer than the plans show
because I knew by the time I added the firewall,
the insulation, and the metal firewall that it might be a tough fit to get
the engine mount back far enough to make those
bolts slip thru the holes. As it was I just had enough room.
That 1/2" insulation will compress some Terry but you'd be fine to "peel" a
thinner layer off of it if it is the kink I am thinking
of.
You know how tight Bernie was with those fittings.......some of them as
designed just do not fit or work at all.
I would bet that Bernie just laid a piece of plywood over the front as a
fire wall with some shellac on it.
One thing that really helped me out was gluing the firewall plywood on
last. It was the last thing I did before covering.
It was all made up, test fit, had all the lines/service holes in it.....but
only screwed on and off many times before the final gluing.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Insulation Material |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Hi Terry,
Count me in for two feet. Just email me when it comes
in and I will send you a check. Thanks.
Doc
--- BARNSTMR@aol.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
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> I've convinced myself to use Fiberfrax on my
> firewall and I have a few friends locally who also
> want some. So I just purchased a whole roll of 1/2"
> thick premium quality Ceramic blanket, 2300 degree
> (1260 Celcius) maximum temperature rating. It is 8#
> density for good strength and thermal protection.
>
> I expect to have it here by the middle of next week.
> I'll have a lot more than enough material than we
> need here. So I'll be glad to offer cut-offs to
> Piet builders for what I paid... $1.45/ sq.ft. +
> shipping costs. It comes in 1/2" thick X 24" width.
> Just let me know what length you need and send me
> your address and a check or M.O. for the amount you
> need. I estimate UPS shipping cost within lower 48
> states to be between $6 to $12.
>
> --
> Terry L. Bowden
> ph 254-715-4773
> fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Insulation Material |
Terry,
I'll need an address to send you a check
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Insulation Material |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Corky...
How much are you going to need? Heres my address.
--
Terry L. Bowden
2457 Texas Highway 236
Moody, TX 76557
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | on fire during a flight in an open cockpit |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
The most disconcerting thing (and enjoyable) thing that happens
when flying an open cockpit low and slow is that you can smell lots of things
going on at ground level like fires. When someone is burning a tire or you go
over a town with a plant that is putting out the scent of something
burning, it
always makes my mind race to "what if that is me ?" Sometimes you know
right away because it smells like a camp fire or mowed hay or.......manure
even,
then other times you can't see a smoke cloud and you smell it-----something
burning. The very first thing I do is an s-turn and look over my shoulder
to see if I
am trailing smoke. Once I see I am not, I relax again. (and engage the
autopilot
that is coupled to my inertial navigation system)
Mike C.
PS-- those of you who ride motorcycles know what that experience is like of
smelling things
much more easily than when riding in a car. You can smell steaks on the
grill, dryers going
with fabric softener, a good cigar, and even once in a while a Harley chick
with some nice perfume
ahead of you.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Insulation Material |
One piece 24x27 inches since my fuse is 27 inches wide.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel strainer mesh |
Hi Corky
I have Catalog No 103. It's on page 218. I ordered 60 x60 Brass mesh in a 12 x
12 sheet.
The part no is 9223t144 for $6.82
Dale in Mpls
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel strainer mesh
Dale,
Would you mind looking up the page for me?
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Insulation Material |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Terry,
I am going to send you a check for 4 sq. ft ($5.80)
plus $10 shipping & handling. I'll put the check in
the mail tomorrow. Thanks.
Galen (Doc) Hutcheson
17 Meadowlark Lane
Harrison, AR 72601
Ph: 870-741-5539
--- BARNSTMR@aol.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> BARNSTMR@aol.com
>
>
> I've convinced myself to use Fiberfrax on my
> firewall and I have a few friends locally who also
> want some. So I just purchased a whole roll of 1/2"
> thick premium quality Ceramic blanket, 2300 degree
> (1260 Celcius) maximum temperature rating. It is 8#
> density for good strength and thermal protection.
>
> I expect to have it here by the middle of next week.
> I'll have a lot more than enough material than we
> need here. So I'll be glad to offer cut-offs to
> Piet builders for what I paid... $1.45/ sq.ft. +
> shipping costs. It comes in 1/2" thick X 24" width.
> Just let me know what length you need and send me
> your address and a check or M.O. for the amount you
> need. I estimate UPS shipping cost within lower 48
> states to be between $6 to $12.
>
> --
> Terry L. Bowden
> ph 254-715-4773
> fax 254-853-3805
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
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> http://www.matronics.com/archives
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel strainer mesh |
Thanks Dale, I'll get after it
Corky
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