Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 10/04/04


Total Messages Posted: 26



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     1. 04:56 AM - Re: Smoke 'em if ya got 'em !! (Michael D Cuy)
     2. 05:14 AM - Re: Weight and Balance (Larry Nelson)
     3. 05:39 AM - Weight and Balance (rhartwig11@juno.com)
     4. 06:23 AM - Re: Weight and Balance (Rcaprd@aol.com)
     5. 06:39 AM - Re: Smoke 'em if ya got 'em !! (Rcaprd@aol.com)
     6. 06:41 AM - Re: YEEE HAAWWW (Rcaprd@aol.com)
     7. 07:09 AM - Re: Smoke 'em if ya got 'em !! (Rcaprd@aol.com)
     8. 07:33 AM - SPL---Smoke Positioning Locator (Michael D Cuy)
     9. 08:00 AM - Re: SPL---Smoke Positioning Locator (Galen Hutcheson)
    10. 08:12 AM - Re: YEEE HAAWWW (Galen Hutcheson)
    11. 08:28 AM - serious smoke advice (Michael D Cuy)
    12. 08:36 AM - A 65-8 (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    13. 08:41 AM - homebuilt power (Michael D Cuy)
    14. 10:12 AM - Re: A 65-8 ()
    15. 12:15 PM - Re: A 65-8 tachometer drive... (Graham Hansen)
    16. 12:25 PM - Re: A 65-8 (walt evans)
    17. 02:15 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/03/04 (Tugwilsons@aol.com)
    18. 02:19 PM - speedy Piet (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS)
    19. 04:19 PM - Re: speedy Piet (Steve Ruse)
    20. 04:31 PM - Re: A 65-8 (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
    21. 04:44 PM - Re: A 65-8 (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
    22. 06:48 PM - Re: homebuilt power (Galen Hutcheson)
    23. 07:03 PM - Re: homebuilt power (DJ Vegh)
    24. 07:05 PM - Re: serious smoke advice (Galen Hutcheson)
    25. 07:08 PM - Re: homebuilt power (Galen Hutcheson)
    26. 07:19 PM - Re: serious smoke advice (Galen Hutcheson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:56:17 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: Re: Smoke 'em if ya got 'em !!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Chuck--- a few years back this great older guy at the airport and I were chasing each other around in the sky with him in his J-3 Cub. I could not shake this guy off my tail, even tho the Piet can turn on a dime. It was like I was being followed by Eddie Rickenbacker. I looked back and Bob was right behind me, about 200 feet back. I hit the smoke oil and flooded his view with thick white smoke and you should have seen him bobble and rock to get out of that so he could see. I'm sure his cockpit was filled with the airshow aroma of Texaco Canoupus #13 Oil. When we re-grouped after our fun he told me that had we been flying armed airplanes, that my smoke would have been black and I would have been dead. How true. Made me respect the flying skills of a 72 year old guy like you would not believe. Mike C. PS-- Chuck--- on a calm eve. before sunset, set yourself up in cruise flight and hit the smoke, pull up hard left. Repeat pulling up right, and look over your shoulder. Sometimes the vortex action can swirl the smoke into smoke rings that stay put long enough so that if you are fast enough you can do a 180 and fly back thru them !


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    Time: 05:14:12 AM PST US
    From: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Weight and Balance
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com> Chuck, the Ops Manual I printed out (thanks, btw) did not have any computation sheets with it. It was 10 pages and concluded with "cold weather operations". --- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 10/3/04 4:34:58 PM Central > Daylight Time, > lnelson208@yahoo.com writes: > > << The previous owner of my plane weighs 170#. I am > a > 218# fatty. We have weighed the plane with empy > fuel > but full radiator. > > Does anyone have a simple procedure for determining > the CG, with my fat rear in place and full tanks? > >> > > Larry, > CG has always been a popular topic of Pietenpol > aircraft. Last year at > Brodhead, Doc Moser pointed to the last two digits > of my registration number > and said "Chuck, that's the most aft CG I've ever > seen !!" > If your plane is in the same configuration as > the previous owner, I can > all but guarantee that with you in the cockpit, you > will be AFT of the aft > limit of the Center of Gravity...a dangerous place > to be. Pietenpol's are > notoriously tail heavy, probably due to the fact > that Bernard Pietenpol weighed about > 160 to 170 lbs. > B.H.P. called out the center of gravity range to > be between 1/4 and 1/3 > of the Chord. This translates to 25% to 33 1/3% of > the chord. The chord is > 60", so your C G range is between 15" and 20" aft of > the leading edge. > The aft limit called out by BHP has always > concerned me. Very few > aircraft have an aft limit that far back. I believe > it is due to the undercambered > airfoil. This airfoil has a LOT of negative > pitching moment, allowing the aft > CG limit to be so far back. If your Pietenpol does > not have the airfoil > called out in the plans, you CAN NOT use the aft > limit called out. > If you look at the last few pages of the > 'Pietenpol Operation Manual' > that I sent you, you can see how to compute C G with > paper & pencil. Simple > math, but very unforgiving of mistakes. Do the math > three times !! > > Chuck G. > NX770CG > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ===== Larry Nelson Springfield, MO Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH 1963 GMC 4106-1618 SV/ Spirit of America ARS WB0JOT __________________________________


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    Time: 05:39:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Weight and Balance
    From: rhartwig11@juno.com
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com Long tails are a problem....no, I don't mean long tails on Piets. Long tails on messages continue to take up space in the Pietenpol List Archives. Please use your "Delete" key to trim off all but essential information from the message you are replying to. Hank Jarrett's excellent response to Larry Nelson's original question on Weight and Balance is in the Archive.......along with 4 more copies that were included in replys.....Hank's info was good, but how many extra copies do we need? Another thing to think about is: You may post a message that has excellent information that should be in the archive. If you have included several other messages that you are replying to, one of them might have " do not archive " in the text, which would mean your good info will not be archived for future use by a Piet builder.....and seeing as this message has those magic words embedded--it won't be archived. Dick H


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    Time: 06:23:35 AM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Weight and Balance
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/4/04 7:14:52 AM Central Daylight Time, lnelson208@yahoo.com writes: << Chuck, the Ops Manual I printed out (thanks, btw) did not have any computation sheets with it. It was 10 pages and concluded with "cold weather operations". >> Larry, I just sent you direct, the weight & balance portion of the opps manual. The whole thing contained quite a bit of text, and I wonder if your server limits how much can be included in an e-mail. Let me know if you compute !! Chuck G.


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    Time: 06:39:59 AM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Smoke 'em if ya got 'em !!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/3/04 10:05:20 PM Central Daylight Time, BARNSTMR@aol.com writes: << Chuck... Now you should teach yourself how to SKYWRITE. >> Yeah, if I could only keep it together enough to say 'YEEE HAAAAWW !!' Right now the only word I can write is the big O. I guess there's something to be said for that, but I'm not going to say it... Hey, it's great to see some Texas Pietenpols making progress !! Before you lay up that nose bowl, let me send a description of how I've been doing it. Chuck G. GO SPACE SHIP ONE !!!! We all have a kinship to them boys out in the Mojave Desert.


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    Time: 06:41:49 AM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: YEEE HAAWWW
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/4/04 1:58:17 AM Central Daylight Time, wacopitts@yahoo.com writes: << There is something about building a Pietenpol that waxes poetic in the heart of a man. The feel of freshly sanded spruce cut with great care from large slabs of two-by-six chuncks of wood just wanting to someday be a Pietenpol. The mounds of sawdust on the floor, the fresh scent of "new wood", the acrid but plesent smell of epoxy...all that reeks of airplane! The painstaking hours of stooping over a crude rib jig, carefully mitering small sticks of wood to fit tight and not quiting until they all fit tightly together, then cutting rounded gussets by the droves and miticulously sanding one side until the unwanted gloss is all off knowing that once this surface is mated to a piece of rib the joint will be stronger than that wood itself. All these pieces of wood packed with a goo so sitcky that a fly trapped in it would never be free again, and the gussets and sticks matted together with glue all pounded tightly together with small microscopic nails driven with love and determination hoping that one day this rib will become the wing of a mighty airplane that will take the builder/pilot on long flights over mint green meadows floating among cotton white clouds painted upon an azure blue sky...these are the dreams of a man who started out with large two by six chuncks of wood fourteen feet long. Happy building my friends, and may all your aircraft be as beautiful and as graceful as the work you poured out on her and may she always take you to places that only pilots who build their own airplanes can ever go to. Doc >> Well said Doc !! Keep after it, and you ship will take you there !!


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    Time: 07:09:04 AM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Smoke 'em if ya got 'em !!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/4/04 6:57:15 AM Central Daylight Time, Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes: << Chuck--- a few years back this great older guy at the airport and I were chasing each other around in the sky with him in his J-3 Cub. I could not shake this guy off my tail, even tho the Piet can turn on a dime. It was like I was being followed by Eddie Rickenbacker. I looked back and Bob was right behind me, about 200 feet back. I hit the smoke oil and flooded his view with thick white smoke and you should have seen him bobble and rock to get out of that so he could see. I'm sure his cockpit was filled with the airshow aroma of Texaco Canoupus #13 Oil. When we re-grouped after our fun he told me that had we been flying armed airplanes, that my smoke would have been black and I would have been dead. How true. Made me respect the flying skills of a 72 year old guy like you would not believe. Mike C. PS-- Chuck--- on a calm eve. before sunset, set yourself up in cruise flight and hit the smoke, pull up hard left. Repeat pulling up right, and look over your shoulder. Sometimes the vortex action can swirl the smoke into smoke rings that stay put long enough so that if you are fast enough you can do a 180 and fly back thru them ! >> Mike, That's a great tale of your dog fight. Bob certainly knows what it's like to 'Become at One with the Wing'. I wonder if the smoke left any residue on his windshield. I don't like to pull much G's with the ol' Pietenpol, but I'll be trying the one flying back through the vortex !! I'm also going to climb high, and do a downward spirial with the power back some. I think a high power setting tends to stir up the smoke with the prop wash, and make it disipate more quickly. Calm winds are probably the biggest key to having the smoke hang in there. Another good use for smoke is to announce your position as you enter the pattern. Yeah, that's it...that's a good reason to have smoke system !! Chuck G.


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    Time: 07:33:49 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: SPL---Smoke Positioning Locator
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Chuck--- EXACTLY ! Last Sunday I was giving rides at our EAA pot-luck and there were three other planes doing the same thing and I wish they had smoke too. I do the same when entering a pattern--a puff of smoke here and there does not hurt to be seen and avoided. On the g-forces, I don't do anything wild either, but a firm pull-up left or right sometimes produces some neat swirls behind you w/ the smoke on. I don't like to pump the oil at low power settings because it does not vaporize completely and my gear legs on the right side get coated with un-burnt oil.........and you know what they say, " unburned smoke oil is a terrible thing to waste" :) I can it "liquid fun". Mike C. PS-- I can't help wonder what the airliners on final for Cleveland Hopkins Int'l Airport thing when they see me below and to the right using smoke in the pattern or doing buzz jobs down the runway with the smoke on ? I KNOW they can see me because they are only 800-1000 above our pattern and about 1 mile west !


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    Time: 08:00:32 AM PST US
    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: SPL---Smoke Positioning Locator
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Mike, I agree with you that "smoke" is fun and can even help make you visable to other A/C at times. After five years of professional airshow acro in a highly modified Pitts Special with two different smoke systems (the Corvis oil-pumped to the exhaust manifold via an electric fuel pump from a five gallon tank in the top wing, and a second comprised of smoke canisters of different colors of smoke bracketed on the wing tips) that you should never burn smoke at low RPM's. In the Pitts, that was a 1800 rpms. That is to avoid a fire that could be (and has been) fatal. Just be careful and keep the unburned oil cleaned from the fuselage to prevent build-up. I think the smoke systems are neat, but there are some hazards associated with them. But also there are some hazards in flying in general. Always fly safe and "happy landings...always". Doc --- Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Chuck--- EXACTLY ! Last Sunday I was giving rides > at our EAA pot-luck and > there were > three other planes doing the same thing and I wish > they had smoke too. I > do the same when > entering a pattern--a puff of smoke here and there > does not hurt to be seen > and avoided. > > On the g-forces, I don't do anything wild either, > but a firm pull-up left > or right sometimes produces > some neat swirls behind you w/ the smoke on. > > I don't like to pump the oil at low power settings > because it does not > vaporize completely and my gear > legs on the right side get coated with un-burnt > oil.........and you know > what they say, " unburned smoke oil > is a terrible thing to waste" :) I can it "liquid > fun". > > Mike C. > > PS-- I can't help wonder what the airliners on final > for Cleveland Hopkins > Int'l Airport thing when they see me below > and to the right using smoke in the pattern or doing > buzz jobs down the > runway with the smoke on ? I KNOW they > can see me because they are only 800-1000 above our > pattern and about 1 > mile west ! > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:12:35 AM PST US
    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: YEEE HAAWWW
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Thanks. I have been flying for over 30 years (the last 12 years or so commercially doing what others only could dream of doing in aviation and in that I have been blessed) and I have now found a new thrill in aviation-building and hopfully some day, fly my own airplane created with my own hands. That is indeed a thrill all its very own. --- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 10/4/04 1:58:17 AM Central > Daylight Time, > wacopitts@yahoo.com writes: > > << There is something about building a Pietenpol > that > waxes poetic in the heart of a man. The feel of > freshly sanded spruce cut with great care from > large > slabs of two-by-six chuncks of wood just wanting to > someday be a Pietenpol. The mounds of sawdust on > the > floor, the fresh scent of "new wood", the acrid but > plesent smell of epoxy...all that reeks of > airplane! > The painstaking hours of stooping over a crude rib > jig, carefully mitering small sticks of wood to fit > tight and not quiting until they all fit tightly > together, then cutting rounded gussets by the > droves > and miticulously sanding one side until the > unwanted > gloss is all off knowing that once this surface is > mated to a piece of rib the joint will be stronger > than that wood itself. All these pieces of wood > packed > with a goo so sitcky that a fly trapped in it would > never be free again, and the gussets and sticks > matted > together with glue all pounded tightly together > with > small microscopic nails driven with love and > determination hoping that one day this rib will > become > the wing of a mighty airplane that will take the > builder/pilot on long flights over mint green > meadows > floating among cotton white clouds painted upon an > azure blue sky...these are the dreams of a man who > started out with large two by six chuncks of wood > fourteen feet long. > > Happy building my friends, and may all your > aircraft > be as beautiful and as graceful as the work you > poured > out on her and may she always take you to places > that > only pilots who build their own airplanes can ever > go > to. > > Doc >> > > Well said Doc !! Keep after it, and you ship will > take you there !! > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:28:06 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: serious smoke advice
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Galen--- that is some great advice on the possible fire hazard that the oil on the belly could cause at low rpms/backfire. Hmmmm....I'm glad I only use it at cruise or full power. Interesting career you had. Can't imagine what flying a Pitts would be like ! Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 08:36:52 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: A 65-8
    Pieters, Am getting nowhere attempting to unscrew the tack drive housing on the backplate. The book says," left-handed threads " but it won't move for me. My engine is an early model. Would it be possible for it to have right handed threads? All I need to do is change the oil seal. Help, help, help. When I solve this one it will be painted and assembled. Help Eng # 5765268 Corky in La needing some help on this one.


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    Time: 08:41:25 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: homebuilt power
    <5.1.1.5.2.20041004102705.010b1488@popserve.grc.nasa.gov> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> isn't it funny that Otto Lilienthal's gliders were homebuilts ? That the Wright gliders and Flyer were homebuilts ? That the planes Bernard Pietenpol learned to fly in were homebuilts ? That the Kramer prize-winner (man-powered flight in 1977) Gossamer Condor was a homebuilt ? and that the first civilians to fly in space to win the X-Prize (without going on one of our boosters or Russia) are flying a homebuilt ? Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 10:12:03 AM PST US
    From: <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: A 65-8
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Corky I'm not sure, but I think my A65-8 has right hand threads on the tach drive cover screw. I'll look at it tomorrow when I have the cowling off for the FAA Airworthiness Inspection (yes, after 8 long years, mine is finally ready to fly). I'll let you know tomorrow. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC > > From: Isablcorky@aol.com > Date: 2004/10/04 Mon AM 11:36:26 EDT > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: A 65-8 > > Pieters, > > Am getting nowhere attempting to unscrew the tack drive housing on the > backplate. The book says," left-handed threads " but it won't move for me. My engine > is an early model. Would it be possible for it to have right handed threads? > All I need to do is change the oil seal. Help, help, help. When I solve this > one it will be painted and assembled. Help > Eng # 5765268 > > Corky in La needing some help on this one. > >


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    Time: 12:15:09 PM PST US
    From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
    Subject: Re: A 65-8 tachometer drive...
    Corky, In 50(+) years of messing around with A 65-8 Continentals, I have never seen a right hand thread on the tachometer drive; they were always a left hand thread indicated by an arrow. Possibly the threads are corroded, making it difficult to break loose. Carefully heating the rear case (I think it may be a magnesium alloy casting) and chilling the tach drive adapter should help. Also, a penetrating oil might assist you. Good luck! Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in sunny Alberta)


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    Time: 12:25:52 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: A 65-8
    Corky, Just went down and checked my 65 "core" engine. ser # 5543368, the tach assy is a LEFT hand thread, (the tach cable cap is right hand.) Since it is aluminum, I would make sure you used a box wrench or 6 point socket, as it is easy to mangle the fitting. In this case it's "lefty tighty-righty loosey" walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A 65-8 Pieters, Am getting nowhere attempting to unscrew the tack drive housing on the backplate. The book says," left-handed threads " but it won't move for me. My engine is an early model. Would it be possible for it to have right handed threads? All I need to do is change the oil seal. Help, help, help. When I solve this one it will be painted and assembled. Help Eng # 5765268 Corky in La needing some help on this one.


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    Time: 02:15:46 PM PST US
    From: Tugwilsons@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/03/04
    This smoke system seems like a lot of fun. How does it work? Is it easy to build and fit one? Or do you just buy one to bolt on? regards Tug


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    Time: 02:19:11 PM PST US
    From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
    Subject: speedy Piet
    Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:18:49 -0400 I got up before dawn this morning and headed for the airport because I just KNEW that it was going to be one of those dead calm, crisp mornings. I was right!! On my preflight I noticed a spider web on the left wing going from the leading edge to the front lift strut. I bypassed it and did the rest of my walk-around then headed out. The sun and I rose together and I flew around a while smelling the variety of odors that the early morning brings. Breakfasts cooking, clearings being burned, livestock, etc. It was glorious! I did a couple of landings at a nearby grass strip and headed for home. Upon landing I noticed two things immediately; I am blowing a lot of oil, so my winter project will be to replace whatever isn't sealing properly, and the second thing was that the spiderweb was still there!! Piets ain't rockets, folks! (The Piet is slow but the sky is patient) Larry


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    Time: 04:19:01 PM PST US
    From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: Re: speedy Piet
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> Interesting, and not what I would have expected, but isn't it true that the tensile strength of spider silk is eight times that of steel? And the spider silk is elastic? Steve Quoting LAWRENCE WILLIAMS <lnawms@msn.com>: > I got up before dawn this morning and headed for the airport because I just > KNEW that it was going to be one of those dead calm, crisp mornings. I was > right!! > > On my preflight I noticed a spider web on the left wing going from the > leading edge to the front lift strut. I bypassed it and did the rest of my > walk-around then headed out. The sun and I rose together and I flew around a > while smelling the variety of odors that the early morning brings. Breakfasts > cooking, clearings being burned, livestock, etc. It was glorious! I did a > couple of landings at a nearby grass strip and headed for home. > > Upon landing I noticed two things immediately; I am blowing a lot of oil, so > my winter project will be to replace whatever isn't sealing properly, and the > second thing was that the spiderweb was still there!! Piets ain't rockets, > folks! (The Piet is slow but the sky is patient) > > Larry


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    Time: 04:31:47 PM PST US
    From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
    Subject: Re: A 65-8
    Don't feel bad. When I sent my case and accessory case off to DIVCO and Drake Air (respectively) Drake almost totally screwed up my tach drive housing. They almost succeeded in striping the tach drive when the turned it counter-clockwise trying to remove it. Mine (off a Continental A-80) unscrews counter-clockwise. Try shooting some heat to the tach drive and if you can, place some ice on the accessory case, then turn it counter-clockwise. It will help if you can soak the joint for a few hours with a product my dad has used for many decades called "Knocker Loose" before attempting to remove the tach drive. Corky... did you get my DVD and look at it yet? By the way, my cylinders (having a fresh nickle process) will be fresh from an overhaul in Fort worth in about 4 weeks. My A-80 will look (and I suspect) will run like a brand new factory engine with everything being yellow tagged, including the carb.


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    Time: 04:44:16 PM PST US
    From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
    Subject: Re: A 65-8
    I messed up. (I had a Corona in my right hand when I should have had both hands on the keyboard when I was sending my earlier message.) My tach drive UNSCREWs righty and not lefty. Ice the tach drive and heat the accessory case, or better yet, ice the Corona and invite the TACOS over and collectively, we'll get that puppy off, somehow. Sorry... One Corona, two Corona, three Corona, floor.


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    Time: 06:48:36 PM PST US
    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: homebuilt power
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> ---Mike, Interesting observation. Can you even imagine how far aviation would have advanced had the governments of the world forbade the common man to experiment with airplanes. Probably we would all still be dreaming of flying. Doc > > do not archive > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________


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    Time: 07:03:55 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: homebuilt power
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com> hmmm... kinda like the Canadian Gov't does?! DJ ----- Original Message ----- Can you even imagine how far > aviation would have advanced had the governments of > the world forbade the common man to experiment with > airplanes. Probably we would all still be dreaming of > flying. > > Doc


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    Time: 07:05:23 PM PST US
    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: serious smoke advice
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Thanks Mike, just thought I would pass that along. I never want to ruin anyone's party, but I have heard of several cases where the smoke oil had caused some pretty severe in-flight fires. The airshow community is rather small (when I was flying, there were only about 320 or so active airshow pilots) so word gets around rather quickly. This is well known among airshow pilots. Have fun with it, just be careful. I loved the Pitts. I first had a "C" model (flat wing with an 0320 which I practiced acro in for about four and a half years before I even flew my first airshow. I flew for my first low altitude wavier in front of the FAA in that plane. Suprisingly, he gave me a 500' wavier on the first go. I later had the super Pitts, highly modified S-1S with the symmetrical wings, with a highly modified IO-360 that was rated a around 240 HP. It operated between 3000 and 3200 rpms. It had 10:1 pistons as well as many other things. I have been fortunate to have flown many different types of A/C in the past 30 odd years. Ranging from the low and slow antique biplanes to the super performing Pitts. Each plane had its own thrills and challenges, all of which had to be mastered. I can't say which of those planes I loved the best because they all were so different. (Right now I would have to say that the Pietenpol is my favorite :). I have never flown an airplane I didn't like. I had made the first test flights in many experimental homebuilts for pilot/builders who were a little concerned with their own flying skills. I still love the adrenalin rush I always got when I made that first flight in an unproven design! Well, enough rambling... I am now doing a first in aviation for me...and that is to build my very own airplane. I am enjoying it very much. I am going up to Kansas tomorrow morning to visit with Ken Perkins and have a look at his Model A powered Piet. I can't wait for that and will take lots of pics. Doc --- Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Galen--- that is some great advice on the possible > fire hazard that the oil > on the belly > could cause at low rpms/backfire. Hmmmm....I'm > glad I only use it at > cruise or full power. > > Interesting career you had. Can't imagine what > flying a Pitts would be like ! > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________


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    Time: 07:08:33 PM PST US
    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: homebuilt power
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> OOHHH...I'm not mentioning any names, but if the shoe fits, you know the rest. Doc --- DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > <djv@imagedv.com> > > hmmm... kinda like the Canadian Gov't does?! > > DJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > Can you even imagine how far > > aviation would have advanced had the governments > of > > the world forbade the common man to experiment > with > > airplanes. Probably we would all still be dreaming > of > > flying. > > > > Doc > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:19:36 PM PST US
    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: serious smoke advice
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Mike, even with all that verbage that I belabored onto all of you, I never got around to really answering your question-imagine what it is like to fly a Pitts... Picture yourself cruising along at 2800 rpms (that is a little above idle in that Pitts) showing around 150 mph on the ASI. You push the throttle forward until you see 3300 rpms and in an instant you are looking at just under 200mph! You pull sharply back on the stick feeling around 4 "G's" pulling you down in the seat until you hit the vertical line (nose straight up). You hold that line for over 1300 feet before gravity and drag cause the Pitts to falter. I could do three vertical rolls going straight up or triple vertical snap rolls. I really loved the torque rolls with the tail slide recovery. You can really take out a lot of the world's problems in a plane like that. Hope I helped you imagine what flying a Pitts is like. Doc --- Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Galen--- that is some great advice on the possible > fire hazard that the oil > on the belly > could cause at low rpms/backfire. Hmmmm....I'm > glad I only use it at > cruise or full power. > > Interesting career you had. Can't imagine what > flying a Pitts would be like ! > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________




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