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1. 04:50 AM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
2. 04:58 AM - Re: Scimitar Prop (Steve Eldredge)
3. 07:04 AM - pull er over and shut down that propellor, sir (Michael D Cuy)
4. 07:55 AM - Re: N74DV's first passenger (Eric Williams)
5. 08:13 AM - Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap (Rcaprd@aol.com)
6. 08:13 AM - Re: N74DV's first passenger (Rcaprd@aol.com)
7. 09:04 AM - Aileron rib build questions (Textor, Jack)
8. 09:08 AM - Re: Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap (Steve Eldredge)
9. 09:26 AM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) (Galen Hutcheson)
10. 09:39 AM - Cub Brake Master Cyl (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
11. 10:22 AM - Re: Aileron rib build questions (Steve Eldredge)
12. 11:03 AM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) now Bob Sears (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
13. 11:06 AM - Re: N74DV's first passenger (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
14. 12:18 PM - Re: N74DV's first passenger (walt evans)
15. 12:44 PM - Re: N74DV's first passenger (Carl D. Vought)
16. 04:13 PM - First FLight of NX899JP (Jack Phillips)
17. 04:34 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Galen Hutcheson)
18. 04:38 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Ed Grentzer)
19. 04:38 PM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) now Bob Sears (Galen Hutcheson)
20. 05:16 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
21. 05:23 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
22. 05:27 PM - Re: Aileron rib build questions (Richard Navratil)
23. 05:30 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Richard Navratil)
24. 06:36 PM - Re: Aileron rib build questions (Rcaprd@aol.com)
25. 06:36 PM - Re: Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap (Rcaprd@aol.com)
26. 06:39 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Rcaprd@aol.com)
27. 06:55 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Chet's Mail)
28. 07:56 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (alexms1@comcast.net)
29. 08:19 PM - Re: Ken's Piet was serious smoke advice (Michael Conkling)
30. 09:03 PM - Re: Ken's Piet was serious smoke advice (Galen Hutcheson)
31. 09:06 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Galen Hutcheson)
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Subject: | Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) |
A very dear friend of mine by the name of Bob Sears introduced me to inverted
flight in a Decathalon. Bob was a commercial pilot and CFII and the
adventurer I took my flights into Mexico and Central America. (Plenty of stories
for
these trips, no time to explain.)
Bob used to fly in various air shows in the late 80s and early 90s and
actually flew in a few events that some really topnotch performers appeared in.
The
first show I went to with Bob was in Lakeland, Florida, where Bob flew a Super
Viking as the Avenger.
He developed a routine especially for kids and was actually dressed up like a
super-hero. After his routine in the Super Viking, he would hand out pictures
and autograph them for hundreds and hundreds of kids. He introduced me to a
handful of airshow pilots and among the most impressive (personally) was Patty
Wagstaff and her husband.
Bob had four airplanes he flew in different airshows, to include a 300 HP
Pitts Special. I never saw anyone do in a Pitts, what Bob did and he was a legend
at the ABQ Balloon Festival when he flew is Pitts upside down in a drainage
canal. From the audience perspective, it was quite alarming to see him do this
because he appeared to look like he flew into the ground. The audience could
not see the canal and it was startling to see him disappear into the canal.
He also flew his Pitts upside down through a WWll hanger near Monahans, TX.
The hanger was very large and part of a training base for B-17s. It was
abandoned and simply out in the country as a vacant building. I'll try and find
a
copy of Bob flying upside down through the hanger so I can scan it and send it
out on e-mail.
The least impressive upside down flying was done in his Decathalon and he
practiced his routine at his (Sears, DFW Sectional) ranch, not too far from my
place, (5TA6, Knot-2-Shabby, San Antonio Sectional). I proudly can say I never
blew chow on the three occasions I did with him in his Decathalon when he was
practicing out here in the boon docks, but it hurt like the devil. The harness
really digs in to the shoulders (at least for me, when holding a camcorder).
Wanna see my video from inside the Decathalon, upside down? I still have a copy
around here somewhere. He clipped ribbons on poles as he flew upside down
about 25 feet off the ground.
Bob also had a Yak and he was working on a routine for that, but be became
ill from lymphoma and he died in 1995. I think had Bob not become ill, he would
have made the airshow circuit in a very big way. His flying skills were
extraordinary and he made friends where ever he went. He really made an impression
with kids as the Avenger in his Super Viking and one interesting note for
Pietenpol folks... Bob especially liked the Super Viking for aerobatics because
it
was made out of wood and gave him the strength he needed for the budget he had
in finding an airplane that looked cool for kids. A black airplane with red
and yellow lightning bolts.
S.B.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Where do you get Kevlar for the LE? I've carved mine and been flying it
with just varnish till I'm sure I like what I've got. Now that I do,
I'm ready to protect the le and rebalance.
Thanks,
Steve E
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scimitar Prop
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 10/5/04 7:54:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
Wizzard187@aol.com writes:
<< Gang, What are you guys using for leading edge protection on your
carved
props.?
Ken Conrad, in sunny Iowa with the beans in the bin >>
Ken,
After all the carving, sanding, balancing and re-checking blade track
and
blade angle at each station, I use Kevlar tipping on the leading edge,
and put
fiberglass cloth on the entire blade. I could go into more detail of
this
process, if you like.
Chuck G.
Good to hear the beans are in...that leaves the fields open for a
possible
off field landing !!
==
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Subject: | pull er over and shut down that propellor, sir |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
DJ-- GREAT story !
Mike
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Subject: | N74DV's first passenger |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
I'm waiting for this to turn up on "The World's Most Exciting Police
Chases". I bet that's cop is at the donut shop right now saying "...hey
guys, guess what I just pulled over - no, really!"
Great story.
>From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>, "Corvair engines for homebuilt
>aircraft" <corvaircraft@mylist.net>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: N74DV's first passenger
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:44:13 -0700
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
>So........ today was an awesome day. I finally got the engine running
>smoothly on the airframe. Firewall forward is complete. Fired it up an all
>was well. Oil pressure was good, oil temps kept cool. CHT's within
>limits....
>
>so.. here I have this 95% complete fuselage with engine running... brakes
>work, tail wheel hooked up.. how could I resist some taxi tests. I employ
>my neighbor (who happens to be an airline pilot) to wach for cars and
>spectators on my street. I then pull it out on the street and start some
>taxing.... did about 4 runs up and down and slow speed, maybe 8-10 mph.
>
>Then the neighbor kid comes out... I think he's about 9yrs old... he had a
>smile from ear to ear just watching. I shutdown and yell over at him
>"Brady.... go ask your mom if it's ok if you take a taxi ride in the
>Aircamper" he darts inside like a lightning bolt. 10 seconds later he
>comes outside... " She's says I can go! yeeeehawww!" I help him into the
>front seat, buckle him in with the 1969 Brantly B-2 Helicopter seat belts I
>have installed. I tell him he can move the stick all he wants but don't
>play with the throttle lever.
>
>We then commence to driving up and down the street about 4 times. he loved
>it... me too! Then all the sudden the fun came to a stop when I look
>behind me to see a Mesa Police Dept. car behind me with it's lights on
>PULLING ME OVER!!! it was hilarious! I shutdown and hop out. the cop is
>the nicest guy and he's laughing saying he's never pulled a plane over. He
>looks the plane over asks the typical questions and then politely tells me
>I
>need to put the "toy" away cause I'm on a city road and my plane is not
>exactly licensed to drive on it. I tell him thanks and I push it into the
>garage.
>
>What a hoot! My first passenger ride and a cop pulls me over.... how
>funny!
>
>Today N74DV was loaded with fuel and physically moved 2 souls under it's
>own
>power.... I'm stoked!!!
>
>DJ
>www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>_
>
>
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Subject: | Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 10/6/04 6:58:47 AM Central Daylight Time, steve@byu.edu
writes:
<< Where do you get Kevlar for the LE? I've carved mine and been flying it
with just varnish till I'm sure I like what I've got. Now that I do,
I'm ready to protect the le and rebalance. >>
Steve and all,
This is another one of my typically long posts, so fair warning !!
Kevlar is the most abrasion resistant of the composite materials...that's
why bullet proof vests are made from it. Using Kevlar for the leading edge
was my idea. I purchased the unidirectional Kevlar from AS&S. It comes 12"
wide, buy it by the foot, but you need a 4 foot piece. It has all single flat
strands of Kevlar, held together with little fiberglass strands every couple of
inches. It is some tough stuff, that will quickly dull a pair of good
scissors if you cut a lot of it.
After all the carving is done, and the prop is balanced, the wood must be
cleaned thoroughly to remove all dust and skin oil, with alcohol, and allow
an extended period of time for all the alcohol to evaporate. Don't touch the
wood with bare hands after that. Measure the length on the blade you need to
cover the outer 2/3 length of the blades leading edge, and up half way around
the rounded tip. The length of Kevlar must be identical for both blades, for
balance reasons. Wearing surgical gloves, lay out a 3/4" width of Kevlar for
each blade, on a clean flat surface, and cut to length. It's kind of difficult
to get the Kevlar to stay where you put it, because it always wants to curl
up, and go crooked. I use scotch tape about ever couple of inches to make it
obey. Leaving the tape on the Kevlar strands helps control the fibers, as well
as allowing you to stow the piece of material while you apply the Polyester
Resin to the area on the leading edge of the blade. Kevlar does not readily
soak up the resin, so you have to use plenty of resin, and kind of work it in
after the Kevlar is applied to the resin. The scotch tape now holds the Kevlar
fibers stay where you put them, as long as there is no resin where the tape
sticks to the wood. Patience is order of the day, here. You can only do one
blade at a time, with the prop secure and the leading edge you are working on
pointing up. Mask off each face of the prop, leaving at least 1/2" of wood
showing wider than the 3/4" wide Kevlar, to catch the inevitable runs in the resin.
Have everything ready, and a plan in your head, because when you add those
drops in the polyester resin and mix it up, you have but minutes to get the
Kevlar on and in place. I never use quite the full amount of hardener, to give
me a few extra precious minutes. If you don't get the 3/4" wide piece on
straight the first time, just wait till after it kicks, then pull the piece of
Kevlar back off and discard it, and start over. You'll have plenty of Kevlar
material for several re - do's.
Now you have the Kevlar on both blades, remove the scotch tape, sand and
feather the edge of the resin down, but don't get into the strands of Kevlar.
Don't use too coarse of sand paper, or scratches will show in the final
product. Make sure the prop is clean, and the work area is clean, and lay the
prop
down on the flange surface on top of a block, to space it up off the table,
to prepare for the lightweight fiberglass application. Cut four pieces of
fiberglass big enough to cover and overlap the leading and trailing edge, and the
tip. Lay newspaper under the blades to control the resin that is going to
drip off the blades. The fiberglass should go from the root, almost to the hub,
and extend the full length of the blade. This protects the wood, stabalizes
the moisture content in the wood, and keeps the Kevlar from coming off with
centrifugal force. Do one blade face at a time, and make sure you have 100%
saturation, and have a smooth surface. Once the fiberglass is saturated, the fine
cloth completely disappears, and the only thing you see is the yellowish
green color of the Kevlar strands. Again, speed is the key, once the hardener
is
added to the resin. Keep it straight by a dabbing action with a one inch
paint brush with half the bristles cut off. Use cheap bristle brushes, and
discard the brush after each application...it's just not worth trying to clean
it.
Allow the cloth to overlap the edges, and trim them off with a razor blade
after it sets. Finish sand to blend the edge of the fiberglass. Flip the prop
over and repeat the process. After the resin cures for a few days, give it a
beautiful glossy shine with a couple of coats of Ace Spar Varnish, gloss
#16375. Use the varnish step to attain a final balance, by adding an extra coat
to
the light blade.
To build the 3 props that I have done so far, my main instruction was
talking with experienced folks in the area of building propellers. I also used
the drawing of the prop for the Model A engine, that Orrin Hoopman drew up
dated 3-3-33. It is 76 X 48, but I think it certainly has too much pitch for the
ol' Model A engine. I think Ken Perkins runs a 76 X 42, which allows the
engine to run up to the rpm where there is quite a bit more power. My other main
instruction is referenced on this drawing to the book by Eric Clutton called
'Propeller Making for the Amature', available through the EAA. The Hoopman
drawing, and the book by Clutton, show how to use an X Y chart to determine the
blade angle at each 6" station. His book is the only reference I've ever
seen to a True Scimitar Prop design, which I plan on building. Although I still
haven't found anyone who actually built and tested one, and the theory sounds
good, the challenge would be in the design location of the mass.
With the blade installed and torqued, the blade track must be well within
1/8". I try to get mine within 1/16".
That's how I finish off my bug whackers !!
Questions ?
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
weekend weather is looking like the back side of a front - beautiful flying
weather !!
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Subject: | Re: N74DV's first passenger |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
DJ,
Excellent story !! Ya gotta include that one in your Test Flight Log.
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Aileron rib build questions |
Hi guys,
Only found two comments in the archives on this one, looking for some additional
comments. I'm building the 3 piece wing and currently building the ribs. I
want to plan correctly for the aileron ribs. It appears I will need to "modify"
6 ribs for each aileron. I plan to build the ribs the same as the rest and
make the cut =BC inch behind the last upright. Does this sound right? Also
should I build in place like Bernard recommends? Does that include doing the
trailing edge and aileron spars before making the cuts? And...on the non-aileron
ribs should I gusset the bottom of the last upright in front and behind the
upright? That's about clear as mud. I included a couple of pictures which
might help.
Thanks!
Jack Textor
Des Moines
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Subject: | Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Thanks for the instructions! A great help, and once you have done it
what a conversation piece... yea it's a 1929 airplane with a hand
carved walnut and birch Kevlar reinforced propeller. Bullet proof prop.
:)
One more questions Chuck, did you carve out the wood for the leading
edge and fill in with the Kevlar or just lay it over the le blade as is?
Steve E
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 10/6/04 6:58:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
steve@byu.edu
writes:
<< Where do you get Kevlar for the LE? I've carved mine and been flying
it
with just varnish till I'm sure I like what I've got. Now that I do,
I'm ready to protect the le and rebalance. >>
Steve and all,
This is another one of my typically long posts, so fair warning !!
Kevlar is the most abrasion resistant of the composite
materials...that's
why bullet proof vests are made from it. Using Kevlar for the leading
edge
was my idea. I purchased the unidirectional Kevlar from AS&S. It comes
12"
wide, buy it by the foot, but you need a 4 foot piece. It has all
single flat
strands of Kevlar, held together with little fiberglass strands every
couple of
inches. It is some tough stuff, that will quickly dull a pair of good
scissors if you cut a lot of it.
After all the carving is done, and the prop is balanced, the wood
must be
cleaned thoroughly to remove all dust and skin oil, with alcohol, and
allow
an extended period of time for all the alcohol to evaporate. Don't
touch the
wood with bare hands after that. Measure the length on the blade you
need to
cover the outer 2/3 length of the blades leading edge, and up half way
around
the rounded tip. The length of Kevlar must be identical for both blades,
for
balance reasons. Wearing surgical gloves, lay out a 3/4" width of
Kevlar for
each blade, on a clean flat surface, and cut to length. It's kind of
difficult
to get the Kevlar to stay where you put it, because it always wants to
curl
up, and go crooked. I use scotch tape about ever couple of inches to
make it
obey. Leaving the tape on the Kevlar strands helps control the fibers,
as well
as allowing you to stow the piece of material while you apply the
Polyester
Resin to the area on the leading edge of the blade. Kevlar does not
readily
soak up the resin, so you have to use plenty of resin, and kind of work
it in
after the Kevlar is applied to the resin. The scotch tape now holds the
Kevlar
fibers stay where you put them, as long as there is no resin where the
tape
sticks to the wood. Patience is order of the day, here. You can only
do one
blade at a time, with the prop secure and the leading edge you are
working on
pointing up. Mask off each face of the prop, leaving at least 1/2" of
wood
showing wider than the 3/4" wide Kevlar, to catch the inevitable runs in
the resin.
Have everything ready, and a plan in your head, because when you add
those
drops in the polyester resin and mix it up, you have but minutes to get
the
Kevlar on and in place. I never use quite the full amount of hardener,
to give
me a few extra precious minutes. If you don't get the 3/4" wide piece
on
straight the first time, just wait till after it kicks, then pull the
piece of
Kevlar back off and discard it, and start over. You'll have plenty of
Kevlar
material for several re - do's.
Now you have the Kevlar on both blades, remove the scotch tape, sand
and
feather the edge of the resin down, but don't get into the strands of
Kevlar.
Don't use too coarse of sand paper, or scratches will show in the final
product. Make sure the prop is clean, and the work area is clean, and
lay the prop
down on the flange surface on top of a block, to space it up off the
table,
to prepare for the lightweight fiberglass application. Cut four pieces
of
fiberglass big enough to cover and overlap the leading and trailing
edge, and the
tip. Lay newspaper under the blades to control the resin that is going
to
drip off the blades. The fiberglass should go from the root, almost to
the hub,
and extend the full length of the blade. This protects the wood,
stabalizes
the moisture content in the wood, and keeps the Kevlar from coming off
with
centrifugal force. Do one blade face at a time, and make sure you have
100%
saturation, and have a smooth surface. Once the fiberglass is
saturated, the fine
cloth completely disappears, and the only thing you see is the yellowish
green color of the Kevlar strands. Again, speed is the key, once the
hardener is
added to the resin. Keep it straight by a dabbing action with a one
inch
paint brush with half the bristles cut off. Use cheap bristle brushes,
and
discard the brush after each application...it's just not worth trying to
clean it.
Allow the cloth to overlap the edges, and trim them off with a razor
blade
after it sets. Finish sand to blend the edge of the fiberglass. Flip
the prop
over and repeat the process. After the resin cures for a few days, give
it a
beautiful glossy shine with a couple of coats of Ace Spar Varnish, gloss
#16375. Use the varnish step to attain a final balance, by adding an
extra coat to
the light blade.
To build the 3 props that I have done so far, my main instruction
was
talking with experienced folks in the area of building propellers. I
also used
the drawing of the prop for the Model A engine, that Orrin Hoopman drew
up
dated 3-3-33. It is 76 X 48, but I think it certainly has too much
pitch for the
ol' Model A engine. I think Ken Perkins runs a 76 X 42, which allows
the
engine to run up to the rpm where there is quite a bit more power. My
other main
instruction is referenced on this drawing to the book by Eric Clutton
called
'Propeller Making for the Amature', available through the EAA. The
Hoopman
drawing, and the book by Clutton, show how to use an X Y chart to
determine the
blade angle at each 6" station. His book is the only reference I've
ever
seen to a True Scimitar Prop design, which I plan on building. Although
I still
haven't found anyone who actually built and tested one, and the theory
sounds
good, the challenge would be in the design location of the mass.
With the blade installed and torqued, the blade track must be well
within
1/8". I try to get mine within 1/16".
That's how I finish off my bug whackers !!
Questions ?
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
weekend weather is looking like the back side of a front - beautiful
flying
weather !!
==
==
==
==
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Subject: | Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
I am so sad to hear about Bob. I didn't know of his
illness. I had not met him personally, but I knew of
him through ICAS (International Council Of Airshows)
the trade organization for airshows. I have always
been impressed with his flying. He certainly ranks up
there with the great preformers and not doubt, had he
lived, could have been one of the greatest. My
personal experiences were much less dramatic in the
airshow business. I was always the generic act :). I
only flew airshows for five years and it takes that
long or longer to build up a reputation. I avg.
around 12 shows per year. I flew under the trade name
of "Shooting Star Airshows." I had three people in my
troop; a long dear friend of mine wiith whom I served
in police work with a number of years ago who acted as
my announcer and his wife the lovely Jeanne who acted
as manager. I really miss the airshow business and
had a great time while flying the circuit. You meet
so many interesting people at airshows. I have flown
on the same stage with the former "Eagles" in one of
my first airshows. Those were a great bunch of guys.
I have flown with Bobby Yonkin, Gene Littlefield, Jan
Jones and a number of others. I sure miss the circuit
and miss the people I had once known. Again, I am
sadened to hear of Bob Sears. The aviation world sure
took a hit when Bob passed away. Thanks for sharing
your story with me. I will try to drag up an old
photo of my airshow days and try to get my scanner
hooked up and I will send a pic if you would like to
see it.
Doc
--- N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote:
> A very dear friend of mine by the name of Bob Sears
> introduced me to inverted
> flight in a Decathalon. Bob was a commercial pilot
> and CFII and the
> adventurer I took my flights into Mexico and Central
> America. (Plenty of stories for
> these trips, no time to explain.)
>
> Bob used to fly in various air shows in the late 80s
> and early 90s and
> actually flew in a few events that some really
> topnotch performers appeared in. The
> first show I went to with Bob was in Lakeland,
> Florida, where Bob flew a Super
> Viking as the Avenger.
> He developed a routine especially for kids and was
> actually dressed up like a
> super-hero. After his routine in the Super Viking,
> he would hand out pictures
> and autograph them for hundreds and hundreds of
> kids. He introduced me to a
> handful of airshow pilots and among the most
> impressive (personally) was Patty
> Wagstaff and her husband.
>
> Bob had four airplanes he flew in different
> airshows, to include a 300 HP
> Pitts Special. I never saw anyone do in a Pitts,
> what Bob did and he was a legend
> at the ABQ Balloon Festival when he flew is Pitts
> upside down in a drainage
> canal. From the audience perspective, it was quite
> alarming to see him do this
> because he appeared to look like he flew into the
> ground. The audience could
> not see the canal and it was startling to see him
> disappear into the canal.
>
> He also flew his Pitts upside down through a WWll
> hanger near Monahans, TX.
> The hanger was very large and part of a training
> base for B-17s. It was
> abandoned and simply out in the country as a vacant
> building. I'll try and find a
> copy of Bob flying upside down through the hanger so
> I can scan it and send it
> out on e-mail.
>
> The least impressive upside down flying was done in
> his Decathalon and he
> practiced his routine at his (Sears, DFW Sectional)
> ranch, not too far from my
> place, (5TA6, Knot-2-Shabby, San Antonio Sectional).
> I proudly can say I never
> blew chow on the three occasions I did with him in
> his Decathalon when he was
> practicing out here in the boon docks, but it hurt
> like the devil. The harness
> really digs in to the shoulders (at least for me,
> when holding a camcorder).
> Wanna see my video from inside the Decathalon,
> upside down? I still have a copy
> around here somewhere. He clipped ribbons on poles
> as he flew upside down
> about 25 feet off the ground.
>
> Bob also had a Yak and he was working on a routine
> for that, but be became
> ill from lymphoma and he died in 1995. I think had
> Bob not become ill, he would
> have made the airshow circuit in a very big way. His
> flying skills were
> extraordinary and he made friends where ever he
> went. He really made an impression
> with kids as the Avenger in his Super Viking and one
> interesting note for
> Pietenpol folks... Bob especially liked the Super
> Viking for aerobatics because it
> was made out of wood and gave him the strength he
> needed for the budget he had
> in finding an airplane that looked cool for kids. A
> black airplane with red
> and yellow lightning bolts.
>
> S.B.
>
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Subject: | Cub Brake Master Cyl |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Dear Group,
Has anyone used J3 Cub master cylinders on their Piet? If so....do you have pictures
of them installed?
I finally came up with a RH master cylinder and so I now have a complete J3 cub
brake system. I am going to look tonight and see if it looks like I'll have
room to locate them under the front seat. I have rudder pedals in lieu of the
rudder bar.
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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Subject: | Aileron rib build questions |
Build the entire aileron including from trailing edge forward, Trailing edge,
aileron spar, aileron leading edge and trailing edge aileron pocket "spar" as
per plan before cutting the ribs that make it part of the wing. You can eve install
the 1/4x1/4" fabric spacers before cutting out the aileron. This will
make it nearly impossible for a bad fit. I used a piano hinge instead of the
barn door hinges, just to seal the aileron gap.
Steve e
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Textor, Jack
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron rib build questions
Hi guys,
Only found two comments in the archives on this one, looking for some additional
comments. I'm building the 3 piece wing and currently building the ribs. I
want to plan correctly for the aileron ribs. It appears I will need to "modify"
6 ribs for each aileron. I plan to build the ribs the same as the rest and
make the cut =BC inch behind the last upright. Does this sound right? Also
should I build in place like Bernard recommends? Does that include doing the
trailing edge and aileron spars before making the cuts? And...on the non-aileron
ribs should I gusset the bottom of the last upright in front and behind the
upright? That's about clear as mud. I included a couple of pictures which
might help.
Thanks!
Jack Textor
Des Moines
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Subject: | Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) now Bob Sears |
One last thing I forgot to mention about Bob Sears. His dad was a P-51
fighter pilot during WWll. Bob's dad had several kills and he was the only P-51
pilot that actually shot down a German airplane, while the P-51 was still on the
ground. Story goes that the airbase was being attacked by Germans and Bob's dad
jumped in his parked P-51, fired it up and while taxing out to the runway,
saw a German airplane flying low straight at him. Mr. Sears fired his guns and
got the SOB that was trying to shoot him.
Makes me feel like a woosie, having been a guy whose first airplane was a
Tomahawk. (But then again I did fly right seat in a B-52 once.)
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Subject: | Re: N74DV's first passenger |
I've driven down DJs street a couple of times. That street ain't real wide!
Must have been a hoot to see DJ "driving" around on his block and I suspect
the cop could not have written a "speeding" ticket for a highly modified Corvair
without a tag.
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"Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" <corvaircraft@mylist.net>
Subject: | Re: N74DV's first passenger |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
If he complained that you were weaving,,,Just tell him " That's the only
way to see around the nose of a taildragger while taxiing , Sir"
walt evans
NX140DL
great story!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
<corvaircraft@mylist.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N74DV's first passenger
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
>
> DJ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
> _
>
>
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Subject: | Re: N74DV's first passenger |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
DJ got something else out of that ride...besides a lot of laughs. Did you
pick up on the extrodinarl level of confidence and trust in DJ that the
child's mother demonstrated?...Carl Vought
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:06:01 EDT, N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: N321TX@wmconnect.com
>
>
>
> I've driven down DJs street a couple of times. That street ain't real
wide!
> Must have been a hoot to see DJ "driving" around on his block and I
suspect
> the cop could not have written a "speeding" ticket for a highly modified
Corvair
> without a tag.
>
>
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Subject: | First FLight of NX899JP |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Another Pietenpol has been added to the sky. NX899JP, "IcarusPlummet", flew
for the first time this morning. Everything went fine - plane flew hands
off with no problems noted. Engine ran strong and all in all it flew just
like a Pietenpol should. I'll try to post some pictures later.
Many thanks to the many contributors to this list who have given me advice,
help and encouragement over the years I've worked on this airplane. I'll
see y'all at Brodhead next July (if I can figure out how to get it over the
Appalachians).
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: | Re: First FLight of NX899JP |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Congratulations Jack! The first flight in any
airplane, and even more so in one that you built, has
to be one of the greatest experiences in life. Glad
all went well and see you at Broadhead.
Doc
--- Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack
> Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> Another Pietenpol has been added to the sky.
> NX899JP, "IcarusPlummet", flew
> for the first time this morning. Everything went
> fine - plane flew hands
> off with no problems noted. Engine ran strong and
> all in all it flew just
> like a Pietenpol should. I'll try to post some
> pictures later.
>
> Many thanks to the many contributors to this list
> who have given me advice,
> help and encouragement over the years I've worked on
> this airplane. I'll
> see y'all at Brodhead next July (if I can figure out
> how to get it over the
> Appalachians).
>
> Jack Phillips
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> any other
> Forums.
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Subject: | First FLight of NX899JP |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Congratulations Jack...That is really awesome news...Glad to hear
everything went well...See you at Brodhead...Ed G.
>From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP
>Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:11:35 -0400
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
><pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
>
>Another Pietenpol has been added to the sky. NX899JP, "IcarusPlummet",
>flew
>for the first time this morning. Everything went fine - plane flew hands
>off with no problems noted. Engine ran strong and all in all it flew just
>like a Pietenpol should. I'll try to post some pictures later.
>
>Many thanks to the many contributors to this list who have given me advice,
>help and encouragement over the years I've worked on this airplane. I'll
>see y'all at Brodhead next July (if I can figure out how to get it over the
>Appalachians).
>
>Jack Phillips
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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Subject: | Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) now Bob Sears |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Flying in a Tomahawk dosen't by any means make anyone
a "woose." My first hours of instruction were in the
docile Cessna 150. Airplanes just don't get any
easier to fly than that little puppy. Bob's dad
sounds like quite a guy. As was his son. Guess it
ran in the family. Great story, should be made into a
movie.
Doc
--- N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote:
> One last thing I forgot to mention about Bob Sears.
> His dad was a P-51
> fighter pilot during WWll. Bob's dad had several
> kills and he was the only P-51
> pilot that actually shot down a German airplane,
> while the P-51 was still on the
> ground. Story goes that the airbase was being
> attacked by Germans and Bob's dad
> jumped in his parked P-51, fired it up and while
> taxing out to the runway,
> saw a German airplane flying low straight at him.
> Mr. Sears fired his guns and
> got the SOB that was trying to shoot him.
>
> Makes me feel like a woosie, having been a guy whose
> first airplane was a
> Tomahawk. (But then again I did fly right seat in a
> B-52 once.)
>
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Subject: | Re: First FLight of NX899JP |
CONGRATULATIONS JACK.....
YEEEEEEE-HAAAAAWWWW!!!!!!!!
Looking forward to the pictures and hope to dhead next year.
Terry B.
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Subject: | Re: First FLight of NX899JP |
In a message dated 10/6/2004 7:17:01 PM Central Standard Time,
BARNSTMR@aol.com writes:
> dhead next year
??? Huh???
I guess I need to proof read more thoroughly!
Broadhead.... not dhead. Duh
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Aileron rib build questions |
I completely agree with Steve E. I also used alominum piano hinge. Do it all
before cutting.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron rib build questions
Build the entire aileron including from trailing edge forward, Trailing edge,
aileron spar, aileron leading edge and trailing edge aileron pocket "spar" as
per plan before cutting the ribs that make it part of the wing. You can eve
install the 1/4x1/4" fabric spacers before cutting out the aileron. This will
make it nearly impossible for a bad fit. I used a piano hinge instead of the
barn door hinges, just to seal the aileron gap.
Steve e
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Textor, Jack
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:03 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron rib build questions
Hi guys,
Only found two comments in the archives on this one, looking for some additional
comments. I'm building the 3 piece wing and currently building the ribs.
I want to plan correctly for the aileron ribs. It appears I will need to "modify"
6 ribs for each aileron. I plan to build the ribs the same as the rest
and make the cut =BC inch behind the last upright. Does this sound right? Also
should I build in place like Bernard recommends? Does that include doing the
trailing edge and aileron spars before making the cuts? And.on the non-aileron
ribs should I gusset the bottom of the last upright in front and behind the
upright? That's about clear as mud. I included a couple of pictures which
might help.
Thanks!
Jack Textor
Des Moines
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Subject: | Re: First FLight of NX899JP |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Great going Jack. It's an amazing feeling the first time around and so far
for me at least the feeling hasn't worn off.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> Another Pietenpol has been added to the sky. NX899JP, "IcarusPlummet",
> flew
> for the first time this morning. Everything went fine - plane flew hands
> off with no problems noted. Engine ran strong and all in all it flew just
> like a Pietenpol should. I'll try to post some pictures later.
>
> Many thanks to the many contributors to this list who have given me
> advice,
> help and encouragement over the years I've worked on this airplane. I'll
> see y'all at Brodhead next July (if I can figure out how to get it over
> the
> Appalachians).
>
> Jack Phillips
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Aileron rib build questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Like Steve E. & Dick N. said, build the entire wing and aileron as an
assembly, including pre fitting and drilling the holes for the aileron hinges.
The
wing should be complete, before you cut the ailerons loose. I used the plans
type barn door hinges, but replaced the aluminum hinge pin, with AN hardware.
The AN hardware I used was a screw with a long enough shank to go all the way
through the hinge, cut the threads off, and drill a small hole for a cotter
pin. Use a small flat washer under the cotter pin. I bridged the aileron gap
with 3" fabric, before any paint was applied.
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Re: Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 10/6/04 11:09:04 AM Central Daylight Time, steve@byu.edu
writes:
<< One more questions Chuck, did you carve out the wood for the leading
edge and fill in with the Kevlar or just lay it over the le blade as is? >>
Steve,
The Kevlar is just a very thin one ply of fibers, and I just laid it right
over the leading edge of the blade, and made it about 3/4" wide. I suppose you
could sand away a very slight amount of wood, and make it back up with the
Kevlar and Fiberglass. Lay it even on the front and back of the leading edge,
where the blades get the most abuse. Blend it in before you put the fiberglass
on the front and back, and the transition of the edges of the Kevlar blend
right in, and you can't even feel the edges.
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Re: First FLight of NX899JP |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
A BIG Congratulations, Jack !! Certainly a milestone !!
And I'm sure you'll find your way through the Appalachians to get to Brodhead.
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Re: First FLight of NX899JP |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chet's Mail" <chethartley1@mchsi.com>
Good job on building and your first flight. Chet Hartley
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First FLight of NX899JP |
Congratulations Jack. Send pictures soon.
Alex Sloan
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
>
>
> Another Pietenpol has been added to the sky. NX899JP, "IcarusPlummet", flew
> for the first time this morning. Everything went fine - plane flew hands
> off with no problems noted. Engine ran strong and all in all it flew just
> like a Pietenpol should. I'll try to post some pictures later.
>
> Many thanks to the many contributors to this list who have given me advice,
> help and encouragement over the years I've worked on this airplane. I'll
> see y'all at Brodhead next July (if I can figure out how to get it over the
> Appalachians).
>
> Jack Phillips
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Congratulations Jack. Send pictures soon.
Alex Sloan
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Subject: | Re: Ken's Piet was serious smoke advice |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
And it flies nicely with a passenger!! ;-) (I got my ride in it this year
at Brodhead -- total crew weight was at least 375# -- you decide how that
was split up! ;-)
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Galen Hutcheson" <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice
> I took some photos of Ken's plane (see attachments).
> I really like that Ford installation.
>
> Doc
> --- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
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Subject: | Re: Ken's Piet was serious smoke advice |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
HAHAHA...I'm not even going to try to figure it out.
It is a neat little airplane and seemed to have a lot
of thrust. The engine ran so smoothly too. I'm sure
Ken can build me an engine just a good. My Piet may
be a little heavier than his though. Try as I may, I
still want to make it a little "G's" proof. But it
probably won't be more than 5 or six pounds heavier (I
am already on a diet :).
Doc
--- Michael Conkling <hpvs@southwind.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael
> Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
>
> And it flies nicely with a passenger!! ;-) (I got
> my ride in it this year
> at Brodhead -- total crew weight was at least 375#
> -- you decide how that
> was split up! ;-)
>
> Mike C.
> Pretty Prairie, KS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Galen Hutcheson" <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice
>
>
> > I took some photos of Ken's plane (see
> attachments).
> > I really like that Ford installation.
> >
> > Doc
> > --- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
>
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Subject: | Re: First FLight of NX899JP |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Yeah, just follow the "Yellow Brick Road" or better
yet a set of railroad tracks that point toward the
direction you want to go. They always follow the
lowest terrain. But look out for those tunnels or you
could have a clipped winged Piet. :)
Doc
--- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> A BIG Congratulations, Jack !! Certainly a
> milestone !!
> And I'm sure you'll find your way through the
> Appalachians to get to Brodhead.
>
> Chuck G.
>
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