---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/06/04: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:50 AM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 2. 04:58 AM - Re: Scimitar Prop (Steve Eldredge) 3. 07:04 AM - pull er over and shut down that propellor, sir (Michael D Cuy) 4. 07:55 AM - Re: N74DV's first passenger (Eric Williams) 5. 08:13 AM - Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap (Rcaprd@aol.com) 6. 08:13 AM - Re: N74DV's first passenger (Rcaprd@aol.com) 7. 09:04 AM - Aileron rib build questions (Textor, Jack) 8. 09:08 AM - Re: Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap (Steve Eldredge) 9. 09:26 AM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) (Galen Hutcheson) 10. 09:39 AM - Cub Brake Master Cyl (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 11. 10:22 AM - Re: Aileron rib build questions (Steve Eldredge) 12. 11:03 AM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) now Bob Sears (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 13. 11:06 AM - Re: N74DV's first passenger (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 14. 12:18 PM - Re: N74DV's first passenger (walt evans) 15. 12:44 PM - Re: N74DV's first passenger (Carl D. Vought) 16. 04:13 PM - First FLight of NX899JP (Jack Phillips) 17. 04:34 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Galen Hutcheson) 18. 04:38 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Ed Grentzer) 19. 04:38 PM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) now Bob Sears (Galen Hutcheson) 20. 05:16 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 21. 05:23 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 22. 05:27 PM - Re: Aileron rib build questions (Richard Navratil) 23. 05:30 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Richard Navratil) 24. 06:36 PM - Re: Aileron rib build questions (Rcaprd@aol.com) 25. 06:36 PM - Re: Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap (Rcaprd@aol.com) 26. 06:39 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Rcaprd@aol.com) 27. 06:55 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Chet's Mail) 28. 07:56 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (alexms1@comcast.net) 29. 08:19 PM - Re: Ken's Piet was serious smoke advice (Michael Conkling) 30. 09:03 PM - Re: Ken's Piet was serious smoke advice (Galen Hutcheson) 31. 09:06 PM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Galen Hutcheson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:49 AM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) A very dear friend of mine by the name of Bob Sears introduced me to inverted flight in a Decathalon. Bob was a commercial pilot and CFII and the adventurer I took my flights into Mexico and Central America. (Plenty of stories for these trips, no time to explain.) Bob used to fly in various air shows in the late 80s and early 90s and actually flew in a few events that some really topnotch performers appeared in. The first show I went to with Bob was in Lakeland, Florida, where Bob flew a Super Viking as the Avenger. He developed a routine especially for kids and was actually dressed up like a super-hero. After his routine in the Super Viking, he would hand out pictures and autograph them for hundreds and hundreds of kids. He introduced me to a handful of airshow pilots and among the most impressive (personally) was Patty Wagstaff and her husband. Bob had four airplanes he flew in different airshows, to include a 300 HP Pitts Special. I never saw anyone do in a Pitts, what Bob did and he was a legend at the ABQ Balloon Festival when he flew is Pitts upside down in a drainage canal. From the audience perspective, it was quite alarming to see him do this because he appeared to look like he flew into the ground. The audience could not see the canal and it was startling to see him disappear into the canal. He also flew his Pitts upside down through a WWll hanger near Monahans, TX. The hanger was very large and part of a training base for B-17s. It was abandoned and simply out in the country as a vacant building. I'll try and find a copy of Bob flying upside down through the hanger so I can scan it and send it out on e-mail. The least impressive upside down flying was done in his Decathalon and he practiced his routine at his (Sears, DFW Sectional) ranch, not too far from my place, (5TA6, Knot-2-Shabby, San Antonio Sectional). I proudly can say I never blew chow on the three occasions I did with him in his Decathalon when he was practicing out here in the boon docks, but it hurt like the devil. The harness really digs in to the shoulders (at least for me, when holding a camcorder). Wanna see my video from inside the Decathalon, upside down? I still have a copy around here somewhere. He clipped ribbons on poles as he flew upside down about 25 feet off the ground. Bob also had a Yak and he was working on a routine for that, but be became ill from lymphoma and he died in 1995. I think had Bob not become ill, he would have made the airshow circuit in a very big way. His flying skills were extraordinary and he made friends where ever he went. He really made an impression with kids as the Avenger in his Super Viking and one interesting note for Pietenpol folks... Bob especially liked the Super Viking for aerobatics because it was made out of wood and gave him the strength he needed for the budget he had in finding an airplane that looked cool for kids. A black airplane with red and yellow lightning bolts. S.B. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:17 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Scimitar Prop From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" Where do you get Kevlar for the LE? I've carved mine and been flying it with just varnish till I'm sure I like what I've got. Now that I do, I'm ready to protect the le and rebalance. Thanks, Steve E -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scimitar Prop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/5/04 7:54:16 PM Central Daylight Time, Wizzard187@aol.com writes: << Gang, What are you guys using for leading edge protection on your carved props.? Ken Conrad, in sunny Iowa with the beans in the bin >> Ken, After all the carving, sanding, balancing and re-checking blade track and blade angle at each station, I use Kevlar tipping on the leading edge, and put fiberglass cloth on the entire blade. I could go into more detail of this process, if you like. Chuck G. Good to hear the beans are in...that leaves the fields open for a possible off field landing !! == == == == ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:06 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: pull er over and shut down that propellor, sir --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy DJ-- GREAT story ! Mike ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:55 AM PST US From: "Eric Williams" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N74DV's first passenger --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" I'm waiting for this to turn up on "The World's Most Exciting Police Chases". I bet that's cop is at the donut shop right now saying "...hey guys, guess what I just pulled over - no, really!" Great story. >From: "DJ Vegh" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: , "Corvair engines for homebuilt >aircraft" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: N74DV's first passenger >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:44:13 -0700 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > >So........ today was an awesome day. I finally got the engine running >smoothly on the airframe. Firewall forward is complete. Fired it up an all >was well. Oil pressure was good, oil temps kept cool. CHT's within >limits.... > >so.. here I have this 95% complete fuselage with engine running... brakes >work, tail wheel hooked up.. how could I resist some taxi tests. I employ >my neighbor (who happens to be an airline pilot) to wach for cars and >spectators on my street. I then pull it out on the street and start some >taxing.... did about 4 runs up and down and slow speed, maybe 8-10 mph. > >Then the neighbor kid comes out... I think he's about 9yrs old... he had a >smile from ear to ear just watching. I shutdown and yell over at him >"Brady.... go ask your mom if it's ok if you take a taxi ride in the >Aircamper" he darts inside like a lightning bolt. 10 seconds later he >comes outside... " She's says I can go! yeeeehawww!" I help him into the >front seat, buckle him in with the 1969 Brantly B-2 Helicopter seat belts I >have installed. I tell him he can move the stick all he wants but don't >play with the throttle lever. > >We then commence to driving up and down the street about 4 times. he loved >it... me too! Then all the sudden the fun came to a stop when I look >behind me to see a Mesa Police Dept. car behind me with it's lights on >PULLING ME OVER!!! it was hilarious! I shutdown and hop out. the cop is >the nicest guy and he's laughing saying he's never pulled a plane over. He >looks the plane over asks the typical questions and then politely tells me >I >need to put the "toy" away cause I'm on a city road and my plane is not >exactly licensed to drive on it. I tell him thanks and I push it into the >garage. > >What a hoot! My first passenger ride and a cop pulls me over.... how >funny! > >Today N74DV was loaded with fuel and physically moved 2 souls under it's >own >power.... I'm stoked!!! > >DJ >www.imagedv.com/aircamper > >_ > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:11 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/6/04 6:58:47 AM Central Daylight Time, steve@byu.edu writes: << Where do you get Kevlar for the LE? I've carved mine and been flying it with just varnish till I'm sure I like what I've got. Now that I do, I'm ready to protect the le and rebalance. >> Steve and all, This is another one of my typically long posts, so fair warning !! Kevlar is the most abrasion resistant of the composite materials...that's why bullet proof vests are made from it. Using Kevlar for the leading edge was my idea. I purchased the unidirectional Kevlar from AS&S. It comes 12" wide, buy it by the foot, but you need a 4 foot piece. It has all single flat strands of Kevlar, held together with little fiberglass strands every couple of inches. It is some tough stuff, that will quickly dull a pair of good scissors if you cut a lot of it. After all the carving is done, and the prop is balanced, the wood must be cleaned thoroughly to remove all dust and skin oil, with alcohol, and allow an extended period of time for all the alcohol to evaporate. Don't touch the wood with bare hands after that. Measure the length on the blade you need to cover the outer 2/3 length of the blades leading edge, and up half way around the rounded tip. The length of Kevlar must be identical for both blades, for balance reasons. Wearing surgical gloves, lay out a 3/4" width of Kevlar for each blade, on a clean flat surface, and cut to length. It's kind of difficult to get the Kevlar to stay where you put it, because it always wants to curl up, and go crooked. I use scotch tape about ever couple of inches to make it obey. Leaving the tape on the Kevlar strands helps control the fibers, as well as allowing you to stow the piece of material while you apply the Polyester Resin to the area on the leading edge of the blade. Kevlar does not readily soak up the resin, so you have to use plenty of resin, and kind of work it in after the Kevlar is applied to the resin. The scotch tape now holds the Kevlar fibers stay where you put them, as long as there is no resin where the tape sticks to the wood. Patience is order of the day, here. You can only do one blade at a time, with the prop secure and the leading edge you are working on pointing up. Mask off each face of the prop, leaving at least 1/2" of wood showing wider than the 3/4" wide Kevlar, to catch the inevitable runs in the resin. Have everything ready, and a plan in your head, because when you add those drops in the polyester resin and mix it up, you have but minutes to get the Kevlar on and in place. I never use quite the full amount of hardener, to give me a few extra precious minutes. If you don't get the 3/4" wide piece on straight the first time, just wait till after it kicks, then pull the piece of Kevlar back off and discard it, and start over. You'll have plenty of Kevlar material for several re - do's. Now you have the Kevlar on both blades, remove the scotch tape, sand and feather the edge of the resin down, but don't get into the strands of Kevlar. Don't use too coarse of sand paper, or scratches will show in the final product. Make sure the prop is clean, and the work area is clean, and lay the prop down on the flange surface on top of a block, to space it up off the table, to prepare for the lightweight fiberglass application. Cut four pieces of fiberglass big enough to cover and overlap the leading and trailing edge, and the tip. Lay newspaper under the blades to control the resin that is going to drip off the blades. The fiberglass should go from the root, almost to the hub, and extend the full length of the blade. This protects the wood, stabalizes the moisture content in the wood, and keeps the Kevlar from coming off with centrifugal force. Do one blade face at a time, and make sure you have 100% saturation, and have a smooth surface. Once the fiberglass is saturated, the fine cloth completely disappears, and the only thing you see is the yellowish green color of the Kevlar strands. Again, speed is the key, once the hardener is added to the resin. Keep it straight by a dabbing action with a one inch paint brush with half the bristles cut off. Use cheap bristle brushes, and discard the brush after each application...it's just not worth trying to clean it. Allow the cloth to overlap the edges, and trim them off with a razor blade after it sets. Finish sand to blend the edge of the fiberglass. Flip the prop over and repeat the process. After the resin cures for a few days, give it a beautiful glossy shine with a couple of coats of Ace Spar Varnish, gloss #16375. Use the varnish step to attain a final balance, by adding an extra coat to the light blade. To build the 3 props that I have done so far, my main instruction was talking with experienced folks in the area of building propellers. I also used the drawing of the prop for the Model A engine, that Orrin Hoopman drew up dated 3-3-33. It is 76 X 48, but I think it certainly has too much pitch for the ol' Model A engine. I think Ken Perkins runs a 76 X 42, which allows the engine to run up to the rpm where there is quite a bit more power. My other main instruction is referenced on this drawing to the book by Eric Clutton called 'Propeller Making for the Amature', available through the EAA. The Hoopman drawing, and the book by Clutton, show how to use an X Y chart to determine the blade angle at each 6" station. His book is the only reference I've ever seen to a True Scimitar Prop design, which I plan on building. Although I still haven't found anyone who actually built and tested one, and the theory sounds good, the challenge would be in the design location of the mass. With the blade installed and torqued, the blade track must be well within 1/8". I try to get mine within 1/16". That's how I finish off my bug whackers !! Questions ? Chuck Gantzer NX770CG weekend weather is looking like the back side of a front - beautiful flying weather !! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:35 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N74DV's first passenger --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com DJ, Excellent story !! Ya gotta include that one in your Test Flight Log. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron rib build questions From: "Textor, Jack" Hi guys, Only found two comments in the archives on this one, looking for some additional comments. I'm building the 3 piece wing and currently building the ribs. I want to plan correctly for the aileron ribs. It appears I will need to "modify" 6 ribs for each aileron. I plan to build the ribs the same as the rest and make the cut =BC inch behind the last upright. Does this sound right? Also should I build in place like Bernard recommends? Does that include doing the trailing edge and aileron spars before making the cuts? And...on the non-aileron ribs should I gusset the bottom of the last upright in front and behind the upright? That's about clear as mud. I included a couple of pictures which might help. Thanks! Jack Textor Des Moines ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" Thanks for the instructions! A great help, and once you have done it what a conversation piece... yea it's a 1929 airplane with a hand carved walnut and birch Kevlar reinforced propeller. Bullet proof prop. :) One more questions Chuck, did you carve out the wood for the leading edge and fill in with the Kevlar or just lay it over the le blade as is? Steve E -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/6/04 6:58:47 AM Central Daylight Time, steve@byu.edu writes: << Where do you get Kevlar for the LE? I've carved mine and been flying it with just varnish till I'm sure I like what I've got. Now that I do, I'm ready to protect the le and rebalance. >> Steve and all, This is another one of my typically long posts, so fair warning !! Kevlar is the most abrasion resistant of the composite materials...that's why bullet proof vests are made from it. Using Kevlar for the leading edge was my idea. I purchased the unidirectional Kevlar from AS&S. It comes 12" wide, buy it by the foot, but you need a 4 foot piece. It has all single flat strands of Kevlar, held together with little fiberglass strands every couple of inches. It is some tough stuff, that will quickly dull a pair of good scissors if you cut a lot of it. After all the carving is done, and the prop is balanced, the wood must be cleaned thoroughly to remove all dust and skin oil, with alcohol, and allow an extended period of time for all the alcohol to evaporate. Don't touch the wood with bare hands after that. Measure the length on the blade you need to cover the outer 2/3 length of the blades leading edge, and up half way around the rounded tip. The length of Kevlar must be identical for both blades, for balance reasons. Wearing surgical gloves, lay out a 3/4" width of Kevlar for each blade, on a clean flat surface, and cut to length. It's kind of difficult to get the Kevlar to stay where you put it, because it always wants to curl up, and go crooked. I use scotch tape about ever couple of inches to make it obey. Leaving the tape on the Kevlar strands helps control the fibers, as well as allowing you to stow the piece of material while you apply the Polyester Resin to the area on the leading edge of the blade. Kevlar does not readily soak up the resin, so you have to use plenty of resin, and kind of work it in after the Kevlar is applied to the resin. The scotch tape now holds the Kevlar fibers stay where you put them, as long as there is no resin where the tape sticks to the wood. Patience is order of the day, here. You can only do one blade at a time, with the prop secure and the leading edge you are working on pointing up. Mask off each face of the prop, leaving at least 1/2" of wood showing wider than the 3/4" wide Kevlar, to catch the inevitable runs in the resin. Have everything ready, and a plan in your head, because when you add those drops in the polyester resin and mix it up, you have but minutes to get the Kevlar on and in place. I never use quite the full amount of hardener, to give me a few extra precious minutes. If you don't get the 3/4" wide piece on straight the first time, just wait till after it kicks, then pull the piece of Kevlar back off and discard it, and start over. You'll have plenty of Kevlar material for several re - do's. Now you have the Kevlar on both blades, remove the scotch tape, sand and feather the edge of the resin down, but don't get into the strands of Kevlar. Don't use too coarse of sand paper, or scratches will show in the final product. Make sure the prop is clean, and the work area is clean, and lay the prop down on the flange surface on top of a block, to space it up off the table, to prepare for the lightweight fiberglass application. Cut four pieces of fiberglass big enough to cover and overlap the leading and trailing edge, and the tip. Lay newspaper under the blades to control the resin that is going to drip off the blades. The fiberglass should go from the root, almost to the hub, and extend the full length of the blade. This protects the wood, stabalizes the moisture content in the wood, and keeps the Kevlar from coming off with centrifugal force. Do one blade face at a time, and make sure you have 100% saturation, and have a smooth surface. Once the fiberglass is saturated, the fine cloth completely disappears, and the only thing you see is the yellowish green color of the Kevlar strands. Again, speed is the key, once the hardener is added to the resin. Keep it straight by a dabbing action with a one inch paint brush with half the bristles cut off. Use cheap bristle brushes, and discard the brush after each application...it's just not worth trying to clean it. Allow the cloth to overlap the edges, and trim them off with a razor blade after it sets. Finish sand to blend the edge of the fiberglass. Flip the prop over and repeat the process. After the resin cures for a few days, give it a beautiful glossy shine with a couple of coats of Ace Spar Varnish, gloss #16375. Use the varnish step to attain a final balance, by adding an extra coat to the light blade. To build the 3 props that I have done so far, my main instruction was talking with experienced folks in the area of building propellers. I also used the drawing of the prop for the Model A engine, that Orrin Hoopman drew up dated 3-3-33. It is 76 X 48, but I think it certainly has too much pitch for the ol' Model A engine. I think Ken Perkins runs a 76 X 42, which allows the engine to run up to the rpm where there is quite a bit more power. My other main instruction is referenced on this drawing to the book by Eric Clutton called 'Propeller Making for the Amature', available through the EAA. The Hoopman drawing, and the book by Clutton, show how to use an X Y chart to determine the blade angle at each 6" station. His book is the only reference I've ever seen to a True Scimitar Prop design, which I plan on building. Although I still haven't found anyone who actually built and tested one, and the theory sounds good, the challenge would be in the design location of the mass. With the blade installed and torqued, the blade track must be well within 1/8". I try to get mine within 1/16". That's how I finish off my bug whackers !! Questions ? Chuck Gantzer NX770CG weekend weather is looking like the back side of a front - beautiful flying weather !! == == == == ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:44 AM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson I am so sad to hear about Bob. I didn't know of his illness. I had not met him personally, but I knew of him through ICAS (International Council Of Airshows) the trade organization for airshows. I have always been impressed with his flying. He certainly ranks up there with the great preformers and not doubt, had he lived, could have been one of the greatest. My personal experiences were much less dramatic in the airshow business. I was always the generic act :). I only flew airshows for five years and it takes that long or longer to build up a reputation. I avg. around 12 shows per year. I flew under the trade name of "Shooting Star Airshows." I had three people in my troop; a long dear friend of mine wiith whom I served in police work with a number of years ago who acted as my announcer and his wife the lovely Jeanne who acted as manager. I really miss the airshow business and had a great time while flying the circuit. You meet so many interesting people at airshows. I have flown on the same stage with the former "Eagles" in one of my first airshows. Those were a great bunch of guys. I have flown with Bobby Yonkin, Gene Littlefield, Jan Jones and a number of others. I sure miss the circuit and miss the people I had once known. Again, I am sadened to hear of Bob Sears. The aviation world sure took a hit when Bob passed away. Thanks for sharing your story with me. I will try to drag up an old photo of my airshow days and try to get my scanner hooked up and I will send a pic if you would like to see it. Doc --- N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote: > A very dear friend of mine by the name of Bob Sears > introduced me to inverted > flight in a Decathalon. Bob was a commercial pilot > and CFII and the > adventurer I took my flights into Mexico and Central > America. (Plenty of stories for > these trips, no time to explain.) > > Bob used to fly in various air shows in the late 80s > and early 90s and > actually flew in a few events that some really > topnotch performers appeared in. The > first show I went to with Bob was in Lakeland, > Florida, where Bob flew a Super > Viking as the Avenger. > He developed a routine especially for kids and was > actually dressed up like a > super-hero. After his routine in the Super Viking, > he would hand out pictures > and autograph them for hundreds and hundreds of > kids. He introduced me to a > handful of airshow pilots and among the most > impressive (personally) was Patty > Wagstaff and her husband. > > Bob had four airplanes he flew in different > airshows, to include a 300 HP > Pitts Special. I never saw anyone do in a Pitts, > what Bob did and he was a legend > at the ABQ Balloon Festival when he flew is Pitts > upside down in a drainage > canal. From the audience perspective, it was quite > alarming to see him do this > because he appeared to look like he flew into the > ground. The audience could > not see the canal and it was startling to see him > disappear into the canal. > > He also flew his Pitts upside down through a WWll > hanger near Monahans, TX. > The hanger was very large and part of a training > base for B-17s. It was > abandoned and simply out in the country as a vacant > building. I'll try and find a > copy of Bob flying upside down through the hanger so > I can scan it and send it > out on e-mail. > > The least impressive upside down flying was done in > his Decathalon and he > practiced his routine at his (Sears, DFW Sectional) > ranch, not too far from my > place, (5TA6, Knot-2-Shabby, San Antonio Sectional). > I proudly can say I never > blew chow on the three occasions I did with him in > his Decathalon when he was > practicing out here in the boon docks, but it hurt > like the devil. The harness > really digs in to the shoulders (at least for me, > when holding a camcorder). > Wanna see my video from inside the Decathalon, > upside down? I still have a copy > around here somewhere. He clipped ribbons on poles > as he flew upside down > about 25 feet off the ground. > > Bob also had a Yak and he was working on a routine > for that, but be became > ill from lymphoma and he died in 1995. I think had > Bob not become ill, he would > have made the airshow circuit in a very big way. His > flying skills were > extraordinary and he made friends where ever he > went. He really made an impression > with kids as the Avenger in his Super Viking and one > interesting note for > Pietenpol folks... Bob especially liked the Super > Viking for aerobatics because it > was made out of wood and gave him the strength he > needed for the budget he had > in finding an airplane that looked cool for kids. A > black airplane with red > and yellow lightning bolts. > > S.B. > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:54 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cub Brake Master Cyl --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Dear Group, Has anyone used J3 Cub master cylinders on their Piet? If so....do you have pictures of them installed? I finally came up with a RH master cylinder and so I now have a complete J3 cub brake system. I am going to look tonight and see if it looks like I'll have room to locate them under the front seat. I have rudder pedals in lieu of the rudder bar. -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:14 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron rib build questions From: "Steve Eldredge" Build the entire aileron including from trailing edge forward, Trailing edge, aileron spar, aileron leading edge and trailing edge aileron pocket "spar" as per plan before cutting the ribs that make it part of the wing. You can eve install the 1/4x1/4" fabric spacers before cutting out the aileron. This will make it nearly impossible for a bad fit. I used a piano hinge instead of the barn door hinges, just to seal the aileron gap. Steve e ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Textor, Jack Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron rib build questions Hi guys, Only found two comments in the archives on this one, looking for some additional comments. I'm building the 3 piece wing and currently building the ribs. I want to plan correctly for the aileron ribs. It appears I will need to "modify" 6 ribs for each aileron. I plan to build the ribs the same as the rest and make the cut =BC inch behind the last upright. Does this sound right? Also should I build in place like Bernard recommends? Does that include doing the trailing edge and aileron spars before making the cuts? And...on the non-aileron ribs should I gusset the bottom of the last upright in front and behind the upright? That's about clear as mud. I included a couple of pictures which might help. Thanks! Jack Textor Des Moines ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:12 AM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) now Bob Sears One last thing I forgot to mention about Bob Sears. His dad was a P-51 fighter pilot during WWll. Bob's dad had several kills and he was the only P-51 pilot that actually shot down a German airplane, while the P-51 was still on the ground. Story goes that the airbase was being attacked by Germans and Bob's dad jumped in his parked P-51, fired it up and while taxing out to the runway, saw a German airplane flying low straight at him. Mr. Sears fired his guns and got the SOB that was trying to shoot him. Makes me feel like a woosie, having been a guy whose first airplane was a Tomahawk. (But then again I did fly right seat in a B-52 once.) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:27 AM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N74DV's first passenger I've driven down DJs street a couple of times. That street ain't real wide! Must have been a hoot to see DJ "driving" around on his block and I suspect the cop could not have written a "speeding" ticket for a highly modified Corvair without a tag. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:34 PM PST US From: "walt evans" "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N74DV's first passenger --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" If he complained that you were weaving,,,Just tell him " That's the only way to see around the nose of a taildragger while taxiing , Sir" walt evans NX140DL great story!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: N74DV's first passenger > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > DJ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > _ > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:50 PM PST US From: "Carl D. Vought" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N74DV's first passenger --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" DJ got something else out of that ride...besides a lot of laughs. Did you pick up on the extrodinarl level of confidence and trust in DJ that the child's mother demonstrated?...Carl Vought On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:06:01 EDT, N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: N321TX@wmconnect.com > > > > I've driven down DJs street a couple of times. That street ain't real wide! > Must have been a hoot to see DJ "driving" around on his block and I suspect > the cop could not have written a "speeding" ticket for a highly modified Corvair > without a tag. > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:29 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" Another Pietenpol has been added to the sky. NX899JP, "IcarusPlummet", flew for the first time this morning. Everything went fine - plane flew hands off with no problems noted. Engine ran strong and all in all it flew just like a Pietenpol should. I'll try to post some pictures later. Many thanks to the many contributors to this list who have given me advice, help and encouragement over the years I've worked on this airplane. I'll see y'all at Brodhead next July (if I can figure out how to get it over the Appalachians). Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:01 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Congratulations Jack! The first flight in any airplane, and even more so in one that you built, has to be one of the greatest experiences in life. Glad all went well and see you at Broadhead. Doc --- Jack Phillips wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack > Phillips" > > > Another Pietenpol has been added to the sky. > NX899JP, "IcarusPlummet", flew > for the first time this morning. Everything went > fine - plane flew hands > off with no problems noted. Engine ran strong and > all in all it flew just > like a Pietenpol should. I'll try to post some > pictures later. > > Many thanks to the many contributors to this list > who have given me advice, > help and encouragement over the years I've worked on > this airplane. I'll > see y'all at Brodhead next July (if I can figure out > how to get it over the > Appalachians). > > Jack Phillips > Raleigh, NC > > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:26 PM PST US From: "Ed Grentzer" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" Congratulations Jack...That is really awesome news...Glad to hear everything went well...See you at Brodhead...Ed G. >From: "Jack Phillips" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:11:35 -0400 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > >Another Pietenpol has been added to the sky. NX899JP, "IcarusPlummet", >flew >for the first time this morning. Everything went fine - plane flew hands >off with no problems noted. Engine ran strong and all in all it flew just >like a Pietenpol should. I'll try to post some pictures later. > >Many thanks to the many contributors to this list who have given me advice, >help and encouragement over the years I've worked on this airplane. I'll >see y'all at Brodhead next July (if I can figure out how to get it over the >Appalachians). > >Jack Phillips >Raleigh, NC > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:53 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) now Bob Sears --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Flying in a Tomahawk dosen't by any means make anyone a "woose." My first hours of instruction were in the docile Cessna 150. Airplanes just don't get any easier to fly than that little puppy. Bob's dad sounds like quite a guy. As was his son. Guess it ran in the family. Great story, should be made into a movie. Doc --- N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote: > One last thing I forgot to mention about Bob Sears. > His dad was a P-51 > fighter pilot during WWll. Bob's dad had several > kills and he was the only P-51 > pilot that actually shot down a German airplane, > while the P-51 was still on the > ground. Story goes that the airbase was being > attacked by Germans and Bob's dad > jumped in his parked P-51, fired it up and while > taxing out to the runway, > saw a German airplane flying low straight at him. > Mr. Sears fired his guns and > got the SOB that was trying to shoot him. > > Makes me feel like a woosie, having been a guy whose > first airplane was a > Tomahawk. (But then again I did fly right seat in a > B-52 once.) > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:17 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP CONGRATULATIONS JACK..... YEEEEEEE-HAAAAAWWWW!!!!!!!! Looking forward to the pictures and hope to dhead next year. Terry B. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:54 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP In a message dated 10/6/2004 7:17:01 PM Central Standard Time, BARNSTMR@aol.com writes: > dhead next year ??? Huh??? I guess I need to proof read more thoroughly! Broadhead.... not dhead. Duh DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:06 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron rib build questions I completely agree with Steve E. I also used alominum piano hinge. Do it all before cutting. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eldredge To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:21 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron rib build questions Build the entire aileron including from trailing edge forward, Trailing edge, aileron spar, aileron leading edge and trailing edge aileron pocket "spar" as per plan before cutting the ribs that make it part of the wing. You can eve install the 1/4x1/4" fabric spacers before cutting out the aileron. This will make it nearly impossible for a bad fit. I used a piano hinge instead of the barn door hinges, just to seal the aileron gap. Steve e From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Textor, Jack Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:03 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron rib build questions Hi guys, Only found two comments in the archives on this one, looking for some additional comments. I'm building the 3 piece wing and currently building the ribs. I want to plan correctly for the aileron ribs. It appears I will need to "modify" 6 ribs for each aileron. I plan to build the ribs the same as the rest and make the cut =BC inch behind the last upright. Does this sound right? Also should I build in place like Bernard recommends? Does that include doing the trailing edge and aileron spars before making the cuts? And.on the non-aileron ribs should I gusset the bottom of the last upright in front and behind the upright? That's about clear as mud. I included a couple of pictures which might help. Thanks! Jack Textor Des Moines ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:46 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" Great going Jack. It's an amazing feeling the first time around and so far for me at least the feeling hasn't worn off. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > > Another Pietenpol has been added to the sky. NX899JP, "IcarusPlummet", > flew > for the first time this morning. Everything went fine - plane flew hands > off with no problems noted. Engine ran strong and all in all it flew just > like a Pietenpol should. I'll try to post some pictures later. > > Many thanks to the many contributors to this list who have given me > advice, > help and encouragement over the years I've worked on this airplane. I'll > see y'all at Brodhead next July (if I can figure out how to get it over > the > Appalachians). > > Jack Phillips > Raleigh, NC > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:08 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron rib build questions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com Like Steve E. & Dick N. said, build the entire wing and aileron as an assembly, including pre fitting and drilling the holes for the aileron hinges. The wing should be complete, before you cut the ailerons loose. I used the plans type barn door hinges, but replaced the aluminum hinge pin, with AN hardware. The AN hardware I used was a screw with a long enough shank to go all the way through the hinge, cut the threads off, and drill a small hole for a cotter pin. Use a small flat washer under the cotter pin. I bridged the aileron gap with 3" fabric, before any paint was applied. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:08 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop - Kevlar Tipping and Fiberglass Wrap --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/6/04 11:09:04 AM Central Daylight Time, steve@byu.edu writes: << One more questions Chuck, did you carve out the wood for the leading edge and fill in with the Kevlar or just lay it over the le blade as is? >> Steve, The Kevlar is just a very thin one ply of fibers, and I just laid it right over the leading edge of the blade, and made it about 3/4" wide. I suppose you could sand away a very slight amount of wood, and make it back up with the Kevlar and Fiberglass. Lay it even on the front and back of the leading edge, where the blades get the most abuse. Blend it in before you put the fiberglass on the front and back, and the transition of the edges of the Kevlar blend right in, and you can't even feel the edges. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:14 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com A BIG Congratulations, Jack !! Certainly a milestone !! And I'm sure you'll find your way through the Appalachians to get to Brodhead. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:43 PM PST US From: "Chet's Mail" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chet's Mail" Good job on building and your first flight. Chet Hartley > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:17 PM PST US From: alexms1@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP Congratulations Jack. Send pictures soon. Alex Sloan -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > Another Pietenpol has been added to the sky. NX899JP, "IcarusPlummet", flew > for the first time this morning. Everything went fine - plane flew hands > off with no problems noted. Engine ran strong and all in all it flew just > like a Pietenpol should. I'll try to post some pictures later. > > Many thanks to the many contributors to this list who have given me advice, > help and encouragement over the years I've worked on this airplane. I'll > see y'all at Brodhead next July (if I can figure out how to get it over the > Appalachians). > > Jack Phillips > Raleigh, NC > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Jack. Send pictures soon. Alex Sloan ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:19 PM PST US From: "Michael Conkling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ken's Piet was serious smoke advice --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" And it flies nicely with a passenger!! ;-) (I got my ride in it this year at Brodhead -- total crew weight was at least 375# -- you decide how that was split up! ;-) Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galen Hutcheson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice > I took some photos of Ken's plane (see attachments). > I really like that Ford installation. > > Doc > --- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:20 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ken's Piet was serious smoke advice --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson HAHAHA...I'm not even going to try to figure it out. It is a neat little airplane and seemed to have a lot of thrust. The engine ran so smoothly too. I'm sure Ken can build me an engine just a good. My Piet may be a little heavier than his though. Try as I may, I still want to make it a little "G's" proof. But it probably won't be more than 5 or six pounds heavier (I am already on a diet :). Doc --- Michael Conkling wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael > Conkling" > > And it flies nicely with a passenger!! ;-) (I got > my ride in it this year > at Brodhead -- total crew weight was at least 375# > -- you decide how that > was split up! ;-) > > Mike C. > Pretty Prairie, KS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Galen Hutcheson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice > > > > I took some photos of Ken's plane (see > attachments). > > I really like that Ford installation. > > > > Doc > > --- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:18 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Yeah, just follow the "Yellow Brick Road" or better yet a set of railroad tracks that point toward the direction you want to go. They always follow the lowest terrain. But look out for those tunnels or you could have a clipped winged Piet. :) Doc --- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > A BIG Congratulations, Jack !! Certainly a > milestone !! > And I'm sure you'll find your way through the > Appalachians to get to Brodhead. > > Chuck G. > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com