---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/07/04: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:18 AM - Re: homebuilt power (Clif Dawson) 2. 04:40 AM - This one is really nice----First Flight of NX899JP (Michael D Cuy) 3. 05:37 AM - Re: Fuel strainer mesh (PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com) 4. 06:21 AM - Re: Fuel strainer mesh (Isablcorky@aol.com) 5. 07:18 AM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Larry Nelson) 6. 07:52 AM - Re: homebuilt power (Bill Church) 7. 07:57 AM - Re: First FLight of NX899JP (Hodgson, Mark O) 8. 09:35 AM - William Wynne: CC#8, Engine for sale, hangar gang photo. (Oscar Zuniga) 9. 09:49 AM - Re: homebuilt power (DJ Vegh) 10. 11:02 AM - DJ on COPS ! (Michael D Cuy) 11. 12:01 PM - Hard Wire Rigging (Carl D. Vought) 12. 03:54 PM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) (Gary Gower) 13. 04:23 PM - oil & oil temp questions (Richard Navratil) 14. 04:23 PM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) (Galen Hutcheson) 15. 04:36 PM - Re: homebuilt power (Galen Hutcheson) 16. 04:43 PM - Re: oil & oil temp questions (Galen Hutcheson) 17. 06:12 PM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) (Gary Gower) 18. 06:23 PM - Re: Hard Wire Rigging (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 19. 06:27 PM - Re: oil & oil temp questions (Richard Navratil) 20. 06:38 PM - Re: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) (Galen Hutcheson) 21. 08:08 PM - Re: oil & oil temp questions (Rcaprd@aol.com) 22. 08:35 PM - Re: oil & oil temp questions (Richard Navratil) 23. 09:28 PM - Re: oil & oil temp questions (Galen Hutcheson) 24. 10:27 PM - Re: homebuilt power (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:02 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: homebuilt power <00b901c4aa7f$3ec14ac0$0100a8c0@Desktop> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson OK guys. I'm sorry, but I have to put this right,being a born Canuck and all. This right from the horses mouth. " We don't care what you do to yourself as long as you don't endanger anyone else." We've had the equivalent of your new LSA for many years and it didn't have to go through fifty million committees to get passed. Yes there was a lot of work and study by gov, industry and our representatives ( RAA ) but our gov was a lot more easily receptive to the concept. We have been completely self governing, including inspections, for many years, through the RAA, the Recreational Aviation Association, of which I am a member. Inspections have now been split off on it's own but still RAA members, not gov. Yes we have to have a license for all flying levels, including basic ultralight but again, that's so that all such pilots know the rules of the road and don't get themselves injested into some 737's left engine. That could happen very easily in the Vancouver airspace. So it's a good thing and not a big deal. We don't have medical requirements for drivers licences so a self declared medical with a signature from your GP is all that is required. Carrying passengers is what ups the anti to a regular medical. In fact, now that your LSA and LSP are now in force there is some concern here that our advanced ultralight rules may become more restrictive to align them with yours to facilitate cross border flying, sales, purchase, etc. Clif PS, Our third oldest registered homebuilt, a jodel, now up for sale, was registered in 1957. The first is a lot older and we had our share of Heaths and Piets in the 20's and 30's. Aint no forbidding here! :-) :-) > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > hmmm... kinda like the Canadian Gov't does?! > > DJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > Can you even imagine how far > > aviation would have advanced had the governments of > > the world forbade the common man to experiment with > > airplanes. Probably we would all still be dreaming of > > flying. > > > > Doc ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:49 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: This one is really nice----First Flight of NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Our hats are off to you, Jack for sticking with it and going all the way with your new Pietenpol Air Camper. I've seen photos over the years you've sent me and look forward to seeing it in person. You'll no doubt attract more Pietenpol builders with your excellent workmanship and setting the quality standards where they should be. Way to go ! Mike ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:08 AM PST US From: PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel strainer mesh Corky, How much do you need? I have some and can send you some; would a 3" or 4" square be OK? Lou Larsen ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:12 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel strainer mesh Thanks Lou, But I received a 12x12 inch piece from McMaster which should last through all my needs. Probably will be able to send you or someone else some from leftover. Corky ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:56 AM PST US From: Larry Nelson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson Jack, congrats!! What engine did you use? --- Galen Hutcheson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen > Hutcheson > > Yeah, just follow the "Yellow Brick Road" or better > yet a set of railroad tracks that point toward the > direction you want to go. They always follow the > lowest terrain. But look out for those tunnels or > you > could have a clipped winged Piet. :) > > Doc > --- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > Rcaprd@aol.com > > > > A BIG Congratulations, Jack !! Certainly a > > milestone !! > > And I'm sure you'll find your way through the > > Appalachians to get to Brodhead. > > > > Chuck G. > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ===== Larry Nelson Springfield, MO Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH 1963 GMC 4106-1618 SV/ Spirit of America ARS WB0JOT __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:22 AM PST US From: Bill Church Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: homebuilt power --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church I, too was confused by the comments about our (Canadian) regulations. Maybe you were thinking about the UK, DJ. (LMNOP) Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: homebuilt power --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson OK guys. I'm sorry, but I have to put this right,being a born Canuck and all. This right from the horses mouth. " We don't care what you do to yourself as long as you don't endanger anyone else." We've had the equivalent of your new LSA for many years and it didn't have to go through fifty million committees to get passed. Yes there was a lot of work and study by gov, industry and our representatives ( RAA ) but our gov was a lot more easily receptive to the concept. We have been completely self governing, including inspections, for many years, through the RAA, the Recreational Aviation Association, of which I am a member. Inspections have now been split off on it's own but still RAA members, not gov. Yes we have to have a license for all flying levels, including basic ultralight but again, that's so that all such pilots know the rules of the road and don't get themselves injested into some 737's left engine. That could happen very easily in the Vancouver airspace. So it's a good thing and not a big deal. We don't have medical requirements for drivers licences so a self declared medical with a signature from your GP is all that is required. Carrying passengers is what ups the anti to a regular medical. In fact, now that your LSA and LSP are now in force there is some concern here that our advanced ultralight rules may become more restrictive to align them with yours to facilitate cross border flying, sales, purchase, etc. Clif PS, Our third oldest registered homebuilt, a jodel, now up for sale, was registered in 1957. The first is a lot older and we had our share of Heaths and Piets in the 20's and 30's. Aint no forbidding here! :-) :-) > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > hmmm... kinda like the Canadian Gov't does?! > > DJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > Can you even imagine how far > > aviation would have advanced had the governments of > > the world forbade the common man to experiment with > > airplanes. Probably we would all still be dreaming of > > flying. > > > > Doc ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FLight of NX899JP From: "Hodgson, Mark O" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" Congratulations! What's the story behind the unlikely name, in case I missed an earlier post? Mark Hodgson ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:02 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne: CC#8, Engine for sale, hangar gang photo. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Howdy, low and slow fliers; if this was already posted I apologize, but here is some information from William Wynne on upcoming "Corvair College" No. 8 as well as other info that he asked be passed along. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX =========================================== From: WilliamTCA@aol.com Subject: CorvAircraft> Re:CC#8, Engine for sale, hangar gang photo. Friends, Grace rewrote our home page last night with several new entries, FlyCorvair.com has details on CC#8, An engine we built which is for sale, and some new information about what we do in the hangar and why we do it. If your on the 601, KR, D-fly, Q or Piet lists, please take a moment to share this with others. Thank You, William. PS: DJ, I expect to see you on the TV show "COPS", I will write the producers and ask for a "dramatic reenactment." ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:29 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: homebuilt power --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" hey... I'm 1/2 Canadian. My dad was born in Windsor. He agrees with me. Nothing anyone can say is gonna make me change my mind about my comment.... I'm a stubborn little bastard. My ex-wife will tell you the same! (yes.... I'm 29 and have been married, divorced and have a 10 yr old son) anyhow... I really hate to get this into a political he says/she says so I rescind my remark. DJ do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: homebuilt power > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church > > I, too was confused by the comments about our (Canadian) regulations. > Maybe you were thinking about the UK, DJ. (LMNOP) > > Bill > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:12 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: DJ on COPS ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy DJ-- are you up for the dramatic reenactment for the film crew of cops ? I want to tape it:) Just to let you know that you are not alone, when I did my first engine run with the plane on the gear I could not resist taxiing it too. I had a 40 lb. secured near the tail in the fuselage so it would be less likely to nose over. My girlfriend's daughter was the first taxi passenger and we have a photo of it on the fridge. Her little head with hair flying everywhere and her eyes just above the longerons and face with a missing tooth smile. We did that on the farm where I rented a farmhouse down a gravel drive, but I did think I was going to have the police over when I was testing the smoke system soon after that in the back yard. I had that thing belching smoke like you would not believe and not thinking anything of it, the smoke cloud drifted across State Route 303, just in front of the farmhouse. I had people braking, slowing down, and crawling thru that smoke. Worst part was that the wind was sooooe light that the smoke stayed over the road for a fair amount of time. I thought for sure they were going to bust me for that stunt. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:53 PM PST US From: "Carl D. Vought" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hard Wire Rigging --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" As most of you know, the Hoopman plans call for "hard wire" for bracing the tailplanes of the Pietenpol. I found some stainless steel "soft" wire of .080" diameter at Macmaster's and I'm in the process of installing it. I keep having this nasty little feeling that the way I'm going about terminating the wire in places like the turnbuckles or the "fittings" is the sort of thing an inspector would jump all over. I've looked in the references I have here and nobody even mentions solid wire. I have been unable to convince myself that the thimbles I've used on stranded cable elsewhere in the airplane (wing bracing and aileron control)just don't fit in with the solid wire, so I wind up with the solid wire in direct contact with the steel fittings or the turnbuckles. If there is someone out there who would give me the benefit of their experience in this area, I would be very grateful...Thank you...Carl Vought ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:24 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Doc, Will be great to see a couple of those pictures, but some of us are in "archive" mode, we can see the attachments, we will apreciate if you would send them to "photoshare". Thanks a lot both of you for the histories, not Piet related but full of airplane sense. The ony time we had first class acro performance here, was when the Aeroclub I use to be in, brought Bob Herenden (sp?) and Bob Hoover as main Stars, was a wonderfull show. But the expenses were far more than the money colected for entrances and the "older" guys from our club lost lots of money in it... Great Experience and great show. Saludos Gary Gower. Guadalajara, Mexico. Do not archive. --- Galen Hutcheson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson > > > I am so sad to hear about Bob. I didn't know of his > illness. I had not met him personally, but I knew of > him through ICAS (International Council Of Airshows) > the trade organization for airshows. I have always > been impressed with his flying. He certainly ranks up > there with the great preformers and not doubt, had he > lived, could have been one of the greatest. My > personal experiences were much less dramatic in the > airshow business. I was always the generic act :). I > only flew airshows for five years and it takes that > long or longer to build up a reputation. I avg. > around 12 shows per year. I flew under the trade name > of "Shooting Star Airshows." I had three people in my > troop; a long dear friend of mine wiith whom I served > in police work with a number of years ago who acted as > my announcer and his wife the lovely Jeanne who acted > as manager. I really miss the airshow business and > had a great time while flying the circuit. You meet > so many interesting people at airshows. I have flown > on the same stage with the former "Eagles" in one of > my first airshows. Those were a great bunch of guys. > I have flown with Bobby Yonkin, Gene Littlefield, Jan > Jones and a number of others. I sure miss the circuit > and miss the people I had once known. Again, I am > sadened to hear of Bob Sears. The aviation world sure > took a hit when Bob passed away. Thanks for sharing > your story with me. I will try to drag up an old > photo of my airshow days and try to get my scanner > hooked up and I will send a pic if you would like to > see it. > > Doc > --- N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote: > > > A very dear friend of mine by the name of Bob Sears > > introduced me to inverted > > flight in a Decathalon. Bob was a commercial pilot > > and CFII and the > > adventurer I took my flights into Mexico and Central > > America. (Plenty of stories for > > these trips, no time to explain.) > > > > Bob used to fly in various air shows in the late 80s > > and early 90s and > > actually flew in a few events that some really > > topnotch performers appeared in. The > > first show I went to with Bob was in Lakeland, > > Florida, where Bob flew a Super > > Viking as the Avenger. > > He developed a routine especially for kids and was > > actually dressed up like a > > super-hero. After his routine in the Super Viking, > > he would hand out pictures > > and autograph them for hundreds and hundreds of > > kids. He introduced me to a > > handful of airshow pilots and among the most > > impressive (personally) was Patty > > Wagstaff and her husband. > > > > Bob had four airplanes he flew in different > > airshows, to include a 300 HP > > Pitts Special. I never saw anyone do in a Pitts, > > what Bob did and he was a legend > > at the ABQ Balloon Festival when he flew is Pitts > > upside down in a drainage > > canal. From the audience perspective, it was quite > > alarming to see him do this > > because he appeared to look like he flew into the > > ground. The audience could > > not see the canal and it was startling to see him > > disappear into the canal. > > > > He also flew his Pitts upside down through a WWll > > hanger near Monahans, TX. > > The hanger was very large and part of a training > > base for B-17s. It was > > abandoned and simply out in the country as a vacant > > building. I'll try and find a > > copy of Bob flying upside down through the hanger so > > I can scan it and send it > > out on e-mail. > > > > The least impressive upside down flying was done in > > his Decathalon and he > > practiced his routine at his (Sears, DFW Sectional) > > ranch, not too far from my > > place, (5TA6, Knot-2-Shabby, San Antonio Sectional). > > I proudly can say I never > > blew chow on the three occasions I did with him in > > his Decathalon when he was > > practicing out here in the boon docks, but it hurt > > like the devil. The harness > > really digs in to the shoulders (at least for me, > > when holding a camcorder). > > Wanna see my video from inside the Decathalon, > > upside down? I still have a copy > > around here somewhere. He clipped ribbons on poles > > as he flew upside down > > about 25 feet off the ground. > > > > Bob also had a Yak and he was working on a routine > > for that, but be became > > ill from lymphoma and he died in 1995. I think had > > Bob not become ill, he would > > have made the airshow circuit in a very big way. His > > flying skills were > > extraordinary and he made friends where ever he > > went. He really made an impression > > with kids as the Avenger in his Super Viking and one > > interesting note for > > Pietenpol folks... Bob especially liked the Super > > Viking for aerobatics because it > > was made out of wood and gave him the strength he > > needed for the budget he had > > in finding an airplane that looked cool for kids. A > > black airplane with red > > and yellow lightning bolts. > > > > S.B. _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:20 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: oil & oil temp questions The manual for the A-65 engine calls for 40w oil summer and 20w winter. Would there be a problem with running Aeroshell 15w-50? I dont know anything about oil science. Also, I have noticed that my oil temp has dropped since air temps are going down. I'm wondering if it might be a good idea to make some baffle plates for colder temps? I know that running to cold can cause carbon build up and increase the chance of fouling plugs while making power changes. I'm thinking of a couple of perforated plates that would lay on top of the cylinders, inside the eyebrows. I dont plan on extreme cold flying but it would be nice to get out on good days. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:20 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Hi Gary, Thanks for your interest. I have the scanner hooked up but my computer can't seem to find it, or I just don't know how to make it find it. I will have my son come and help me with it. I bought a new computer so I have none of my pics loaded on this new computer. I am sure he can get it to work or can tell me what else I will have to buy to get to work. I do have some photos you guys might like and I will try to figure out how to use photoshare. I am not a computer whiz for sure. I have some old barnstorming pics as well as airshow pics. I will be happy to share them as soon as I get the technical stuff under control. Thanks again for your interest. I saw Bob Herendene fly back in the early '90's in Oklahoma at the famous Biplane expo. It was Curtis Pitts day and Bob came out of retirement to fly (probably his last) an airshow in his old Pitts that he had already sold. The new owner let him use it for this event. Bob put on a fantastic show. I was just getting into acro then (I had just bought my "C" model Pitts and I thought he was the greatest. Of course, everyone knows about Bob Hoover, the king of kings in acro. Doc --- Gary Gower wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > > Hello Doc, > > Will be great to see a couple of those pictures, > but some of us are in > "archive" mode, we can see the attachments, we will > apreciate if you > would send them to "photoshare". > Thanks a lot both of you for the histories, not Piet > related but full > of airplane sense. > The ony time we had first class acro performance > here, was when the > Aeroclub I use to be in, brought Bob Herenden (sp?) > and Bob Hoover as > main Stars, was a wonderfull show. But the expenses > were far more than > the money colected for entrances and the "older" > guys from our club > lost lots of money in it... Great Experience and > great show. > > Saludos > Gary Gower. > Guadalajara, Mexico. > Do not archive. > --- Galen Hutcheson wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen > Hutcheson > > > > > > I am so sad to hear about Bob. I didn't know of > his > > illness. I had not met him personally, but I knew > of > > him through ICAS (International Council Of > Airshows) > > the trade organization for airshows. I have > always > > been impressed with his flying. He certainly > ranks up > > there with the great preformers and not doubt, had > he > > lived, could have been one of the greatest. My > > personal experiences were much less dramatic in > the > > airshow business. I was always the generic act > :). I > > only flew airshows for five years and it takes > that > > long or longer to build up a reputation. I avg. > > around 12 shows per year. I flew under the trade > name > > of "Shooting Star Airshows." I had three people > in my > > troop; a long dear friend of mine wiith whom I > served > > in police work with a number of years ago who > acted as > > my announcer and his wife the lovely Jeanne who > acted > > as manager. I really miss the airshow business > and > > had a great time while flying the circuit. You > meet > > so many interesting people at airshows. I have > flown > > on the same stage with the former "Eagles" in one > of > > my first airshows. Those were a great bunch of > guys. > > I have flown with Bobby Yonkin, Gene Littlefield, > Jan > > Jones and a number of others. I sure miss the > circuit > > and miss the people I had once known. Again, I am > > sadened to hear of Bob Sears. The aviation world > sure > > took a hit when Bob passed away. Thanks for > sharing > > your story with me. I will try to drag up an old > > photo of my airshow days and try to get my scanner > > hooked up and I will send a pic if you would like > to > > see it. > > > > Doc > > --- N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote: > > > > > A very dear friend of mine by the name of Bob > Sears > > > introduced me to inverted > > > flight in a Decathalon. Bob was a commercial > pilot > > > and CFII and the > > > adventurer I took my flights into Mexico and > Central > > > America. (Plenty of stories for > > > these trips, no time to explain.) > > > > > > Bob used to fly in various air shows in the late > 80s > > > and early 90s and > > > actually flew in a few events that some really > > > topnotch performers appeared in. The > > > first show I went to with Bob was in Lakeland, > > > Florida, where Bob flew a Super > > > Viking as the Avenger. > > > He developed a routine especially for kids and > was > > > actually dressed up like a > > > super-hero. After his routine in the Super > Viking, > > > he would hand out pictures > > > and autograph them for hundreds and hundreds of > > > kids. He introduced me to a > > > handful of airshow pilots and among the most > > > impressive (personally) was Patty > > > Wagstaff and her husband. > > > > > > Bob had four airplanes he flew in different > > > airshows, to include a 300 HP > > > Pitts Special. I never saw anyone do in a Pitts, > > > what Bob did and he was a legend > > > at the ABQ Balloon Festival when he flew is > Pitts > > > upside down in a drainage > > > canal. From the audience perspective, it was > quite > > > alarming to see him do this > > > because he appeared to look like he flew into > the > > > ground. The audience could > > > not see the canal and it was startling to see > him > > > disappear into the canal. > > > > > > He also flew his Pitts upside down through a > WWll > > > hanger near Monahans, TX. > > > The hanger was very large and part of a training > > > base for B-17s. It was > > > abandoned and simply out in the country as a > vacant > > > building. I'll try and find a > > > copy of Bob flying upside down through the > hanger so > > > I can scan it and send it > > > out on e-mail. > > > > > > The least impressive upside down flying was done > in > > > his Decathalon and he > > > practiced his routine at his (Sears, DFW > Sectional) > > > ranch, not too far from my > > > place, (5TA6, Knot-2-Shabby, San Antonio > Sectional). > > > I proudly can say I never > > > blew chow on the three occasions I did with him > in > > > his Decathalon when he was > > > practicing out here in the boon docks, but it > hurt > > > like the devil. The harness > > > really digs in to the shoulders (at least for > me, > > > when holding a camcorder). > > > Wanna see my video from inside the Decathalon, > > > upside down? I still have a copy > > > around here somewhere. He clipped ribbons on > poles > > > as he flew upside down > > > about 25 feet off the ground. > > > > > > Bob also had a Yak and he was working on a > routine > > > for that, but be became > > > ill from lymphoma and he died in 1995. I think > had > > > Bob not become ill, he would > > > have made the airshow circuit in a very big way. > His > > > flying skills were > > > extraordinary and he made friends where ever he > > > went. He really made an impression > > > with kids as the Avenger in his Super Viking and > one > > > interesting note for > > > Pietenpol folks... Bob especially liked the > Super > > > Viking for aerobatics because it > > > was made out of wood and gave him the strength > he > > > needed for the budget he had > > > in finding an airplane that looked cool for > kids. A > > > black airplane with red > === message truncated === ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:22 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: homebuilt power --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson He guys, when I made the remark "what if the governments of the world...", I really wasn't thinking about Canada. I don't really know much about Canada's regs. I was thinking more of the communist govts. and not those of free countries. Please, I hope I didn't upset anyone. Doc --- DJ Vegh wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > hey... I'm 1/2 Canadian. My dad was born in > Windsor. He agrees with me. > Nothing anyone can say is gonna make me change my > mind about my comment.... > I'm a stubborn little bastard. My ex-wife will tell > you the same! (yes.... > I'm 29 and have been married, divorced and have a 10 > yr old son) > > anyhow... I really hate to get this into a political > he says/she says so I > rescind my remark. > > DJ > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Church" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:16 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: homebuilt power > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church > > > > > I, too was confused by the comments about our > (Canadian) regulations. > > Maybe you were thinking about the UK, DJ. (LMNOP) > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:18 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil & oil temp questions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Dick, In all my small Continentals I used Aeroshell 80 in the winter and Aeroshell 100 (both with Marvel Mystery Oil in the crankcase) in the summer with good results. I always do frequent oil changes to prevent sludge build up. I'm sure others have some good suggestions also. Doc --- Richard Navratil wrote: > The manual for the A-65 engine calls for 40w oil > summer and 20w winter. Would there be a problem > with running Aeroshell 15w-50? I dont know anything > about oil science. > Also, I have noticed that my oil temp has dropped > since air temps are going down. I'm wondering if it > might be a good idea to make some baffle plates for > colder temps? I know that running to cold can cause > carbon build up and increase the chance of fouling > plugs while making power changes. I'm thinking of a > couple of perforated plates that would lay on top of > the cylinders, inside the eyebrows. I dont plan on > extreme cold flying but it would be nice to get out > on good days. > Dick N. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:27 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Galen, Photoshare is part of the Matronics list (at the end of each message) just attach the jpg file to the email that pops up, and that all, Matt Dralle will post is a couple of days later (well, this is how I figured out it works :-) It was my very first Airshow... What amassed me about Mr Herenden's show that day is that our airport is about 5,000 ft ASL, so he climbed real high (?) looked like a little fly, to make his famous record of inverted flat spins, was so long time ago that I cant remember how many (maybe 70 someting, my guess) everybody counting each one shouting loud behind the announcer, uno... dos... tres... cuatro... all the way down! Was really dramatic, he recovered very low near the ground... He later admitted in the Event Dinner: "...was a little close..." Well, thanks a lot once more, and sorry folks for the time... but memories are great. Saludos Gary Gower. Do not archive. --- Galen Hutcheson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson > > > Hi Gary, > > Thanks for your interest. I have the scanner hooked > up but my computer can't seem to find it, or I just > don't know how to make it find it. I will have my son > come and help me with it. I bought a new computer so > I have none of my pics loaded on this new computer. I > am sure he can get it to work or can tell me what else > I will have to buy to get to work. I do have some > photos you guys might like and I will try to figure > out how to use photoshare. I am not a computer whiz > for sure. I have some old barnstorming pics as well > as airshow pics. I will be happy to share them as > soon as I get the technical stuff under control. > Thanks again for your interest. > > I saw Bob Herendene fly back in the early '90's in > Oklahoma at the famous Biplane expo. It was Curtis > Pitts day and Bob came out of retirement to fly > (probably his last) an airshow in his old Pitts that > he had already sold. The new owner let him use it for > this event. Bob put on a fantastic show. I was just > getting into acro then (I had just bought my "C" model > Pitts and I thought he was the greatest. Of course, > everyone knows about Bob Hoover, the king of kings in > acro. > > Doc > --- Gary Gower wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > > > > > Hello Doc, > > > > Will be great to see a couple of those pictures, > > but some of us are in > > "archive" mode, we can see the attachments, we will > > apreciate if you > > would send them to "photoshare". > > Thanks a lot both of you for the histories, not Piet > > related but full > > of airplane sense. > > The ony time we had first class acro performance > > here, was when the > > Aeroclub I use to be in, brought Bob Herenden (sp?) > > and Bob Hoover as > > main Stars, was a wonderfull show. But the expenses > > were far more than > > the money colected for entrances and the "older" > > guys from our club > > lost lots of money in it... Great Experience and > > great show. > > > > Saludos > > Gary Gower. > > Guadalajara, Mexico. > > Do not archive. > > --- Galen Hutcheson wrote: > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen > > Hutcheson > > > > > > > > > I am so sad to hear about Bob. I didn't know of > > his > > > illness. I had not met him personally, but I knew > > of > > > him through ICAS (International Council Of > > Airshows) > > > the trade organization for airshows. I have > > always > > > been impressed with his flying. He certainly > > ranks up > > > there with the great preformers and not doubt, had > > he > > > lived, could have been one of the greatest. My > > > personal experiences were much less dramatic in > > the > > > airshow business. I was always the generic act > > :). I > > > only flew airshows for five years and it takes > > that > > > long or longer to build up a reputation. I avg. > > > around 12 shows per year. I flew under the trade > > name > > > of "Shooting Star Airshows." I had three people > > in my > > > troop; a long dear friend of mine wiith whom I > > served > > > in police work with a number of years ago who > > acted as > > > my announcer and his wife the lovely Jeanne who > > acted > > > as manager. I really miss the airshow business > > and > > > had a great time while flying the circuit. You > > meet > > > so many interesting people at airshows. I have > > flown > > > on the same stage with the former "Eagles" in one > > of > > > my first airshows. Those were a great bunch of > > guys. > > > I have flown with Bobby Yonkin, Gene Littlefield, > > Jan > > > Jones and a number of others. I sure miss the > > circuit > > > and miss the people I had once known. Again, I am > > > sadened to hear of Bob Sears. The aviation world > > sure > > > took a hit when Bob passed away. Thanks for > > sharing > > > your story with me. I will try to drag up an old > > > photo of my airshow days and try to get my scanner > > > hooked up and I will send a pic if you would like > > to > > > see it. > > > > > > Doc > > > --- N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote: > > > > > > > A very dear friend of mine by the name of Bob > > Sears > > > > introduced me to inverted > > > > flight in a Decathalon. Bob was a commercial > > pilot > > > > and CFII and the > > > > adventurer I took my flights into Mexico and > > Central > > > > America. (Plenty of stories for > > > > these trips, no time to explain.) > > > > > > > > Bob used to fly in various air shows in the late > > 80s > > > > and early 90s and > > > > actually flew in a few events that some really > > > > topnotch performers appeared in. The > > > > first show I went to with Bob was in Lakeland, > > > > Florida, where Bob flew a Super > > > > Viking as the Avenger. > > > > He developed a routine especially for kids and > > was > > > > actually dressed up like a > > > > super-hero. After his routine in the Super > > Viking, > > > > he would hand out pictures > > > > and autograph them for hundreds and hundreds of > > > > kids. He introduced me to a > > > > handful of airshow pilots and among the most > > > > impressive (personally) was Patty > > > > Wagstaff and her husband. > > > > > > > > Bob had four airplanes he flew in different > > > > airshows, to include a 300 HP > > > > Pitts Special. I never saw anyone do in a Pitts, > > > > what Bob did and he was a legend > > > > at the ABQ Balloon Festival when he flew is > > Pitts > > > > upside down in a drainage > > > > canal. From the audience perspective, it was > > quite > > > > alarming to see him do this > > > > because he appeared to look like he flew into > > the > > > > ground. The audience could > > > > not see the canal and it was startling to see > > him > > > > disappear into the canal. > > > > > > > > He also flew his Pitts upside down through a > > WWll > > > > hanger near Monahans, TX. > > > > The hanger was very large and part of a training > > > > base for B-17s. It was > > > > abandoned and simply out in the country as a > > vacant > > > > building. I'll try and find a > > > > copy of Bob flying upside down through the > > hanger so > > > > I can scan it and send it > > > > out on e-mail. > > > > > > > > The least impressive upside down flying was done > > in > > > > his Decathalon and he > > > > practiced his routine at his (Sears, DFW > > Sectional) > > > > ranch, not too far from my > > > > place, (5TA6, Knot-2-Shabby, San Antonio > > Sectional). > > > > I proudly can say I never > > > > blew chow on the three occasions I did with him > > in > > > > his Decathalon when he was > > > > practicing out here in the boon docks, but it > > hurt > > > > like the devil. The harness > === message truncated === ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:53 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hard Wire Rigging Carl, Thats the way we did ours... .080 stainless 304 solid wire from mcMaster-Carr. I have seen lots of Piets done this way. Heres a link to a pic of ours. http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=CF0004.JPG& PhotoID=1959 Terry B ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:18 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil & oil temp questions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" I should have added that my reason for asking is that I sold my Seneca and have some 15w-50 left over. I'd like to use it up. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galen Hutcheson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil & oil temp questions > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson > > > Dick, > > In all my small Continentals I used Aeroshell 80 in > the winter and Aeroshell 100 (both with Marvel Mystery > Oil in the crankcase) in the summer with good results. > I always do frequent oil changes to prevent sludge > build up. I'm sure others have some good suggestions > also. > > Doc > --- Richard Navratil wrote: > >> The manual for the A-65 engine calls for 40w oil >> summer and 20w winter. Would there be a problem >> with running Aeroshell 15w-50? I dont know anything >> about oil science. >> Also, I have noticed that my oil temp has dropped >> since air temps are going down. I'm wondering if it >> might be a good idea to make some baffle plates for >> colder temps? I know that running to cold can cause >> carbon build up and increase the chance of fouling >> plugs while making power changes. I'm thinking of a >> couple of perforated plates that would lay on top of >> the cylinders, inside the eyebrows. I dont plan on >> extreme cold flying but it would be nice to get out >> on good days. >> Dick N. > > > __________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:22 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serious smoke advice (now Tomahawk) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Thanks Gary, I personally think good aviation stories will always be enjoyed on aviation websites. I enjoyed them. My son may come by this evening and (hopefully) get me fixed up with the scanner. If not, I will call the computer shop in the morning and check with them. Thanks for the photoshare info. I will use it. Doc --- Gary Gower wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > > Hello Galen, > > Photoshare is part of the Matronics list (at the end > of each message) > just attach the jpg file to the email that pops up, > and that all, Matt > Dralle will post is a couple of days later (well, > this is how I > figured out it works :-) > > It was my very first Airshow... What amassed me > about Mr Herenden's > show that day is that our airport is about 5,000 ft > ASL, so he climbed > real high (?) looked like a little fly, to make his > famous record of > inverted flat spins, was so long time ago that I > cant remember how > many (maybe 70 someting, my guess) everybody > counting each one > shouting loud behind the announcer, uno... dos... > tres... cuatro... all > the way down! Was really dramatic, he recovered > very low near the > ground... He later admitted in the Event Dinner: > "...was a little > close..." > > Well, thanks a lot once more, and sorry folks for > the time... but > memories are great. > > Saludos > Gary Gower. > Do not archive. > --- Galen Hutcheson wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen > Hutcheson > > > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > Thanks for your interest. I have the scanner > hooked > > up but my computer can't seem to find it, or I > just > > don't know how to make it find it. I will have my > son > > come and help me with it. I bought a new computer > so > > I have none of my pics loaded on this new > computer. I > > am sure he can get it to work or can tell me what > else > > I will have to buy to get to work. I do have some > > photos you guys might like and I will try to > figure > > out how to use photoshare. I am not a computer > whiz > > for sure. I have some old barnstorming pics as > well > > as airshow pics. I will be happy to share them as > > soon as I get the technical stuff under control. > > Thanks again for your interest. > > > > I saw Bob Herendene fly back in the early '90's in > > Oklahoma at the famous Biplane expo. It was > Curtis > > Pitts day and Bob came out of retirement to fly > > (probably his last) an airshow in his old Pitts > that > > he had already sold. The new owner let him use it > for > > this event. Bob put on a fantastic show. I was > just > > getting into acro then (I had just bought my "C" > model > > Pitts and I thought he was the greatest. Of > course, > > everyone knows about Bob Hoover, the king of kings > in > > acro. > > > > Doc > > --- Gary Gower wrote: > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > > > > > > > > Hello Doc, > > > > > > Will be great to see a couple of those pictures, > > > > but some of us are in > > > "archive" mode, we can see the attachments, we > will > > > apreciate if you > > > would send them to "photoshare". > > > Thanks a lot both of you for the histories, not > Piet > > > related but full > > > of airplane sense. > > > The ony time we had first class acro performance > > > here, was when the > > > Aeroclub I use to be in, brought Bob Herenden > (sp?) > > > and Bob Hoover as > > > main Stars, was a wonderfull show. But the > expenses > > > were far more than > > > the money colected for entrances and the "older" > > > guys from our club > > > lost lots of money in it... Great Experience > and > > > great show. > > > > > > Saludos > > > Gary Gower. > > > Guadalajara, Mexico. > > > Do not archive. > > > --- Galen Hutcheson wrote: > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen > > > Hutcheson > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so sad to hear about Bob. I didn't know > of > > > his > > > > illness. I had not met him personally, but I > knew > > > of > > > > him through ICAS (International Council Of > > > Airshows) > > > > the trade organization for airshows. I have > > > always > > > > been impressed with his flying. He certainly > > > ranks up > > > > there with the great preformers and not doubt, > had > > > he > > > > lived, could have been one of the greatest. > My > > > > personal experiences were much less dramatic > in > > > the > > > > airshow business. I was always the generic > act > > > :). I > > > > only flew airshows for five years and it takes > > > that > > > > long or longer to build up a reputation. I > avg. > > > > around 12 shows per year. I flew under the > trade > > > name > > > > of "Shooting Star Airshows." I had three > people > > > in my > > > > troop; a long dear friend of mine wiith whom I > > > served > > > > in police work with a number of years ago who > > > acted as > > > > my announcer and his wife the lovely Jeanne > who > > > acted > > > > as manager. I really miss the airshow > business > > > and > > > > had a great time while flying the circuit. > You > > > meet > > > > so many interesting people at airshows. I > have > > > flown > > > > on the same stage with the former "Eagles" in > one > > > of > > > > my first airshows. Those were a great bunch > of > > > guys. > > > > I have flown with Bobby Yonkin, Gene > Littlefield, > > > Jan > > > > Jones and a number of others. I sure miss the > > > circuit > > > > and miss the people I had once known. Again, > I am > > > > sadened to hear of Bob Sears. The aviation > world > > > sure > > > > took a hit when Bob passed away. Thanks for > > > sharing > > > > your story with me. I will try to drag up an > old > > > > photo of my airshow days and try to get my > scanner > === message truncated === _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:02 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil & oil temp questions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/7/04 6:23:45 PM Central Daylight Time, horzpool@goldengate.net writes: << Also, I have noticed that my oil temp has dropped since air temps are going down. I'm wondering if it might be a good idea to make some baffle plates for colder temps? >> Dick, I have the same concerns. My oil temp hardly gets above 140 on the cooler days. I think that's not hot enough. I'm curious what others have done. When it's below 50, I dress warm, and I can get at least 4 or 5 circuits in the pattern before my body heat is all gone !! Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:04 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil & oil temp questions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" Chuck I put in 2.5 hr last Tue at 45 deg. I was mighty cold. My wife was nice enough to make a cover for the front cockpit. I'm going to install cabin heat and remember to throw the long undies into the truck. I'm also remembering to throw in the shotgun in also. The last few times I went to the airport it was too windy to fly, it became a grouse hunting day instead. On the oil thing, I have been running about 140- 150 deg on a 70 deg day. Last week the temp barely came up. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil & oil temp questions > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 10/7/04 6:23:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > horzpool@goldengate.net writes: > > << Also, I have noticed that my oil temp has dropped since air temps are > going down. I'm wondering if it might be a good idea to make some baffle > plates > for colder temps? >> > > Dick, > I have the same concerns. My oil temp hardly gets above 140 on the > cooler > days. I think that's not hot enough. I'm curious what others have done. > When it's below 50, I dress warm, and I can get at least 4 or 5 circuits > in > the pattern before my body heat is all gone !! > > Chuck G. > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:19 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil & oil temp questions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Hey Chuck, I used to fly the old Bird biplane in the winter and I wore a snowmobile suit. Works pretty good too. Insulated boots and gloves and you can get right cozy in open cockpit. Coldest days a ski mask works too. Doc --- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 10/7/04 6:23:45 PM Central > Daylight Time, > horzpool@goldengate.net writes: > > << Also, I have noticed that my oil temp has dropped > since air temps are > going down. I'm wondering if it might be a good > idea to make some baffle plates > for colder temps? >> > > Dick, > I have the same concerns. My oil temp hardly gets > above 140 on the cooler > days. I think that's not hot enough. I'm curious > what others have done. > When it's below 50, I dress warm, and I can get at > least 4 or 5 circuits in > the pattern before my body heat is all gone !! > > Chuck G. > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:44 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: homebuilt power --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson You guys didn't really expect some Irish, Brit, French, Scot, Celtic mongrel dog third generation Canuck let you denigrate his lacky dog buraucrat masters and get away with it did you? :-) :-) :-) Clif Wouldn't want to start another pig war. :-) http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/pigwars.html do not archive Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: homebuilt power > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson > > He guys, when I made the remark "what if the > governments of the world...", I really wasn't thinking > about Canada. I don't really know much about Canada's > regs. I was thinking more of the communist govts. and > not those of free countries. Please, I hope I didn't > upset anyone. > > Doc > --- DJ Vegh wrote: > > > > > hey... I'm 1/2 Canadian. My dad was born in > > Windsor. He agrees with me. > > Nothing anyone can say is gonna make me change my > > mind about my comment.... > > I'm a stubborn little bastard. My ex-wife will tell > > you the same! (yes.... > > I'm 29 and have been married, divorced and have a 10 > > yr old son) > > > > anyhow... I really hate to get this into a political > > he says/she says so I > > rescind my remark. > > > > DJ > > > > do not archive > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Church" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:16 AM > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: homebuilt power > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church > > > > > > > > I, too was confused by the comments about our > > (Canadian) regulations. > > > Maybe you were thinking about the UK, DJ. (LMNOP) > > > > > > Bill