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1. 06:30 AM - Ford engine location (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 07:49 AM - The UK Pietenpol Club Web Site--- good ! (Michael D Cuy)
3. 08:50 AM - Re: The UK Pietenpol Club Web Site--- good ! (Bill Church)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: The UK Pietenpol Club Web Site--- good ! (Galen Hutcheson)
5. 09:18 AM - Re: Ford engine location (Carl D. Vought)
6. 10:18 AM - Re: Ford engine location (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
7. 12:20 PM - Model A head (Carl D. Vought)
8. 12:50 PM - Aircamper rudder control (Carl D. Vought)
9. 03:46 PM - Model A engine (Carl D. Vought)
10. 04:12 PM - Re: Bingelis' Weight and Balance form (Bert Conoly)
11. 06:33 PM - Re: Model A engine (Larry Nelson)
12. 08:34 PM - Re: Ford engine location (Rcaprd@aol.com)
13. PM - ()
14. 08:42 PM - 3 piece wing (Ted Brousseau)
15. 08:57 PM - Re: Aircamper rudder control (Rcaprd@aol.com)
16. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: Bingelis' Weight and Balance for (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Ford engine location |
G'day mates!
I'm getting ready to begin installing my Ford engine, but after perusing the plans
can't seem to find a measurement for how far forward of the firewall it goes.
Am I missing something?
Douwe
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| Subject: | The UK Pietenpol Club Web Site--- good ! |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys-- this is a pretty neat web site for what's happening in the Pietenpol
world over in jolly old England !
Mike C.
http://www.pjshenton.go-plus.net/default.htm
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| Subject: | The UK Pietenpol Club Web Site--- good ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Actually, I think the UK site has been updated and redesigned, with a
different address
http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/
Still very good.
Bill
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Guys-- this is a pretty neat web site for what's happening in the Pietenpol
world over in jolly old England !
Mike C.
http://www.pjshenton.go-plus.net/default.htm
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| Subject: | Re: The UK Pietenpol Club Web Site--- good ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Great site Mike, now bookmarked.
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: Ford engine location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
The dimensions of the engine bearers specify the location of the clearence
cutout for the oil pump bulge in the oil pan, which, in turn, determines
the engine placement..right?...Carl Vought
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:41:07 -0400, "Douwe Blumberg"
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote :
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> G'day mates!
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> I'm getting ready to begin installing my Ford engine, but after perusing
the plans can't seem to find a measurement for how far forward of the
firewall it goes.
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> Am I missing something?
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> Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Ford engine location |
Carl is correct on this. Just work between dwgs #6 & #8. After you have
enlarged the four pan-mounting holes to 5/16- inch as indicated just hold your
engine bearer up against the oil pump housing and transfer the hole locations.
Voila !! Now,see all of the fun you'd be missing with a kit built plane !!
Don Hicks
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
In order to reduce the download time, I'm breaking this up into two
messages. The subject of the second message which I will send next is
rudder control on the Air Camper. First message:
1)I'm considering outfitting my engine for dual ignition by buying a head
from Dan Price [www.dan4banger.com]. He offers an aluminum 6:1 compression
head with two 14mm sparkplugs per cylinder. I presume the 14mm referrs to
the plug diameter, but I don't know. Does it? The original plugs for that
engine were 7/8" diameter, 14 threads per inch. Is there a problem with
using a smaller plug? I will drive one mag with a "side drive" unit that I
got from Ken Perkins. The second mag will be driven directly off the
crankshaft in the traditional manner.
2)Is there anyone out there who knows Dan Price and can recommend his stuff?
Thank you very much...Carl Vought
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| Subject: | Aircamper rudder control |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Hi Pieters...I'm rigging my Aircamper. Just finished the hardwire on the
tail and the flexible cable on the stick/elevator. As I was about to
connect the cable from the rudder horn to the pedals, I did a dry run with
a string. The plans are vague on the routing of the rudder cables, but if
you plan to run them direct, they will have to go through the back of the
pilot's seat, close to the sides of the cockpit. There were two things I
didn't like about that arrangement. First, I'd rather have them out of the
way, running just above the floor, under the seat, not through it. Second,
I'd prefer a rudder bar instead of the pedals that are already there. What
I plan to do is leave the pedals as is and instal a rudder bar behind the
seat, close to where the bellcrank (or walking beam) for the elevator is
located and two inches above the surface of the longerons. I'll run cables
from this "rudder bar" to the pedals and from the rudder bar to the rudder
horns. This will put the cables where I want them withour adding pullies
and the rudder bar will isolate heavy foot pressures from the rudder horns.
This arrangement also provides a better routing of the rudder cables
through the fabric and fuselage structure (no rubbing). Maybe this is a
common practice? Maybe some of you know why it's a bad idea. I would
appreciate any comments you have..Thank you, Carl Vought
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Hello Pieters.....I wrote this long email earlier today and as far as I can
tell, It went into the garbage instead of onto the net. It concerns my
engine. I'm considering rigging my engine for dual ignition. I can get an
aluminum head weighing 13 pounds, with a 6:1 compression ratio and two
plugs per cylinder from Dan Price (www.dan4banger.com). I will run one mag
off a side drive which I got from Ken Perkins and the other will be driven
directly off the crankshaft as shown in the Hoopman drawings. There are a
couple of uh-ohs. One is that the head is machined for 14mm plugs. The
original plug was a 7/8"X14TPI plug. Is there any problem with using this
small plug? Another open question is: Have they gotten higher compression
by reducing or eliminating carbon clearance space by lowering the clearance
between the head and the piston at TDC? Can anyone comment on their
experience with this company?...Thank you...Carl Vought
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| Subject: | Re: Bingelis' Weight and Balance form |
Have any of you looked closely at Bingelis' weight and balance form for the
Emeraude (page 298 of the Sportplane Builder" book - that's the blue one)?
If you look in the top box - where it calculates the empty weight, it sure
seems to me that the moment for REMOVING the oil should be POSITIVE 208.8
inch pounds. Instead of Negative 208.8 inch pounds.
I've done this every way I can think of and the only way that seems like it
fits is if it's Positive, Can't tell about the ballast because he doesn't
say where it's located but if it's in front of the datum it should be
positive too.
Maybe I missed something - or else it's a mistake.
PS
I included a picture of Larry Harrison's Flying Flea - We did the W&B on it
Sunday. By the way, he's started on yet another Piet. It's gonna be sweet,
too. Got the fuselage complete. Wing's already built.
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| Subject: | Re: Model A engine |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
I, too, am most anxious in what answers or suggestions
come from this.
--- "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D.
> Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
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> Hello Pieters.....I wrote this long email earlier
> today and as far as I can
> tell, It went into the garbage instead of onto the
> net. It concerns my
> engine. I'm considering rigging my engine for dual
> ignition. I can get an
> aluminum head weighing 13 pounds, with a 6:1
> compression ratio and two
> plugs per cylinder from Dan Price
> (www.dan4banger.com). I will run one mag
> off a side drive which I got from Ken Perkins and
> the other will be driven
> directly off the crankshaft as shown in the Hoopman
> drawings. There are a
> couple of uh-ohs. One is that the head is machined
> for 14mm plugs. The
> original plug was a 7/8"X14TPI plug. Is there any
> problem with using this
> small plug? Another open question is: Have they
> gotten higher compression
> by reducing or eliminating carbon clearance space by
> lowering the clearance
> between the head and the piston at TDC? Can anyone
> comment on their
> experience with this company?...Thank you...Carl
> Vought
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Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
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| Subject: | Re: Ford engine location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 10/19/04 12:19:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
Waytogopiet@aol.com writes:
<< Carl is correct on this. Just work between dwgs #6 & #8. After you have
enlarged the four pan-mounting holes to 5/16- inch as indicated just hold
your
engine bearer up against the oil pump housing and transfer the hole
locations.
Voila !! >>
Douwe,
The only think I might add to what Carl & Don explained, is that if you weigh
consideribly more than B.H.P., you might consider making the mount an inch or
so longer, for weight & balance purposes.
Chuck G.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Dick,
Mine has simple linkage for disconnecting.
Ted
> Time: 09:01:07 PM PST US
> From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 piece wing
>
> I was just looking over 3 pc plan and wondering, how do you lead the
aileron cable
> through the turning pulley and attach the wing? To clarify, the swedge
turnbuckle
> end are too large to fit thru the pulley. Do you have to unbolt the
> pulley or is it typical to add a linkage at the wing side? I don't see
anything
> on the plan about this.
> Dick
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircamper rudder control |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Carl,
I suggest you just rig the rudder bar per plans, and run the rudder cables
down low near the floor under the seat. Acording to AC 43.13 you can use
hardwood (not pulleys) as a fairlead, if the deflection is less than 7 degrees.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Bingelis' Weight and Balance for |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 10/19/04 6:13:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
bconoly@earthlink.net writes:
<< If you look in the top box - where it calculates the empty weight, it sure
seems to me that the moment for REMOVING the oil should be POSITIVE 208.8
inch pounds. Instead of Negative 208.8 inch pounds. >>
Bert,
I don't see where it says anything about a Negative 208.8 inch pounds. I see
where the oil was removed : -7.20 X -27.0 = Positive 194.40 inch pounds.
E.W.C.G. is 9.69 inches.
Chuck G.
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