Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 10/22/04


Total Messages Posted: 9



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 10:45 AM - Re: Tractor type prop wanted (Norman Stapelberg)
     2. 11:42 AM - Re: Tractor type prop wanted (Gordon Bowen)
     3. 06:37 PM - Bending Allowances (Jake Crause)
     4. 07:17 PM - My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!! (Jim Markle)
     5. 08:00 PM - Re: My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!! (DJ Vegh)
     6. 08:00 PM - Re: Bending Allowance (Lynn Knoll)
     7. 08:42 PM - Re: Bending Allowances (Catdesign)
     8. 08:54 PM - Re: My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!! (Andimaxd@aol.com)
     9. 09:37 PM - Re: My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!! (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:45:23 AM PST US
    From: "Norman Stapelberg" <norshel@mweb.co.za>
    Subject: Tractor type prop wanted
    Hi Gordon That power plant is that not a Lycoming 0-235, if it is e-mail me off line as I also have one installed we can swap notes. I am running a 74" dia by 44" pitch, on my next prop I am going for is a 76" dia by 42" prop. With my prop I get 2300 rpm static, with the GSC I ran I also got 2300RPM static and cruised at 85mph indicted at 2300rpm, The prop did not seem to unload enough, you should try to get 2400 static. Cheers Norman Stapelberg South Africa -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Bowen Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tractor type prop wanted I'm looking around for a wood or metal tractor type prop for my winter Piete project, using a Lycosaur 0-235. Anybody who hasn't converted their dreams into a lovely clock, contact me off line. Thanks-Gordon Bowen


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    Time: 11:42:30 AM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: Tractor type prop wanted
    Norman, Thanks for email. I'm really attempting to use a Lycosaurus O-235, this engine is an original pre WWII from Lycoming. 100 HP. I'm going to forward to you an email I got from Jay Anderson in Texas that builds props. He also recommends 76" with 42-44 pitch. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Stapelberg To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tractor type prop wanted Hi Gordon That power plant is that not a Lycoming 0-235, if it is e-mail me off line as I also have one installed we can swap notes. I am running a 74" dia by 44" pitch, on my next prop I am going for is a 76" dia by 42" prop. With my prop I get 2300 rpm static, with the GSC I ran I also got 2300RPM static and cruised at 85mph indicted at 2300rpm, The prop did not seem to unload enough, you should try to get 2400 static. Cheers Norman Stapelberg South Africa -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Bowen Sent: 21 October 2004 03:12 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tractor type prop wanted I'm looking around for a wood or metal tractor type prop for my winter Piete project, using a Lycosaur 0-235. Anybody who hasn't converted their dreams into a lovely clock, contact me off line. Thanks-Gordon Bowen


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    Time: 06:37:56 PM PST US
    From: "Jake Crause" <admin@homebuiltairplanes.com>
    Subject: Bending Allowances
    Got a question about bending allowances. Do the drawings of the fittings that need to be bent already take into account bending allowances or do I need to calculate them and adjust the dimensions of the drawings accordingly. Also, is there a spacer of some sort between the cabane fitting and the spar where the fitting does not overlap the spar butt joint strap and the pulley bracket? If so, what is it? Thanks in advance. Jake Crause


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    Time: 07:17:12 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!!
    Got home from a business trip today to find a couple of 21" Speedmaster Tires waiting for me..... My garage is SO full I won't be able to roll the fuse far but I WILL be able to roll it before long.... I feel like such an idiot for getting excited over a couple of dumb old motorcycle tires showing up at my doorstep but it almost brought tears to my eyes..... This is SO much fun! Life is good...... Jim in Plano.....


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    Time: 08:00:33 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!!
    Hey Jim, I know what you mean buddy..... every single order I ever placed (probably over 100) for anything had me counting the minutes until the UPS guy arrived.... even for stupid stuff like a handfull of AN970 washers and a bag of cotter pins. :) DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!! Got home from a business trip today to find a couple of 21" Speedmaster Tires waiting for me..... My garage is SO full I won't be able to roll the fuse far but I WILL be able to roll it before long.... I feel like such an idiot for getting excited over a couple of dumb old motorcycle tires showing up at my doorstep but it almost brought tears to my eyes..... This is SO much fun! Life is good...... Jim in Plano.....


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    Time: 08:00:33 PM PST US
    From: "Lynn Knoll" <dknoll@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Bending Allowance
    Jake: Tony Bengelis covers this in his book "Sportplane Construction Techniques" by telling us to make the bends first and then the ends are measured to see how much to cut off. Also, he never drilled any holes until after the bends are made. (page 40) Quote from Tony..."There you have it.....a fitting with the correct height and base dimensions." Not a very professional way to make fittings, but they will be accurate...consistently more accurate than many you'd make using the metal working formulas involving bend allowance charts, setback tables and that sort of thing." Regarding the spacer: Look just to the left of the line giving the dimension "3-1/4" between the two end attach holes of the pulley bracket and it calls out 3/32" ply both sides. If I interpret the plan correctly this 3/32" ply would be shaped like a piece of pie...the bottom flush with the spar and the top would be against the spar joint strap. Finally...I hope this helps....and I can't say enough about how much Tony's books have been so helpful to this amateur plane builder.


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    Time: 08:42:48 PM PST US
    From: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
    Subject: Re: Bending Allowances
    In my opinion the drawings do not include bend allowances. Also, lots of people have said to make the fitting's a tad bit longer (so they stick out more). I guess it's hard to get the bolts in once the plane is finished. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Jake Crause To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending Allowances Got a question about bending allowances. Do the drawings of the fittings that need to be bent already take into account bending allowances or do I need to calculate them and adjust the dimensions of the drawings accordingly. Also, is there a spacer of some sort between the cabane fitting and the spar where the fitting does not overlap the spar butt joint strap and the pulley bracket? If so, what is it? Thanks in advance. Jake Crause


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    Time: 08:54:25 PM PST US
    From: Andimaxd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!!
    Eeexxxcceeelllleeennntt! Keep me appraised! Our learning curve on covering is coming along nicely...I might try to go to the panhandle next week, we'll see. Isn't this great, stay with it and good luck, md


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    Time: 09:37:12 PM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!!
    <001301c4b8ac$4f403470$0100a8c0@Desktop> I wonder what the Plano cops are gonna say....... Clif :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!! Hey Jim, I know what you mean buddy..... every single order I ever placed (probably over 100) for anything had me counting the minutes until the UPS guy arrived.... even for stupid stuff like a handfull of AN970 washers and a bag of cotter pins. :) DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol Air Camper tires arrived today!!! Got home from a business trip today to find a couple of 21" Speedmaster Tires waiting for me..... My garage is SO full I won't be able to roll the fuse far but I WILL be able to roll it before long.... I feel like such an idiot for getting excited over a couple of dumb old motorcycle tires showing up at my doorstep but it almost brought tears to my eyes..... This is SO much fun! Life is good...... Jim in Plano.....




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