---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/25/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:40 AM - Are motorcycle wheels ok? (john s) 2. 10:57 AM - good price for REAL Pietenpol plans on ebay now (Michael D Cuy) 3. 11:05 AM - Re: way off topic, but right on for me (Michael D Cuy) 4. 11:22 AM - N 40044 for sale (Carl Loar) 5. 11:26 AM - Re: Razorback Covering (cgalley) 6. 11:41 AM - [ Mark Hodgson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 7. PM - () 8. 01:50 PM - Re: Bending Allowances (Jake Crause) 9. 03:21 PM - Re: [ Mark Hodgson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (walt evans) 10. 05:12 PM - Re: Razorback Covering (Dick and Marge Gillespie) 11. 05:50 PM - Re: good price for REAL Pietenpol plans on ebay now (Jimmy Courtney) 12. 07:09 PM - snow skiis (Richard Navratil) 13. 07:13 PM - Re: Razorback Covering (cgalley) 14. 07:56 PM - Re: mat'l sent (BARNSTMR@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:29 AM PST US From: "john s" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Are motorcycle wheels ok? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "john s" I have a pair of 19-inch (outside diameter of the rim) motorcycle wheels that I was hoping to use on an Air Camper. I have heard, though, that this type of wheel may not be able to take the side loads that are incurred in, say, a cross-wind landing, or a sharp taxiing turn. ON the other hand, I've seen motorcycle races on TV that sure make it look like the wheels are withstanding tremendous side loads. Regardless, are there any vendors out there who can provide spoked wheels designed for aircraft use? Thanks for everyone's help. John S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pietenpol-List Digest Server" Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/24/04 > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.2004-10-24.html > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.2004-10-24.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 10/24/04: 1 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 03:01 PM - way off topic, but right on for me (walt evans) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:01:34 PM PST US > From: "walt evans" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: way off topic, but right on for me > > Through life, I've had the opportunity to do alot of great things,,,Got my Private > ticket long ago, after raising a family on my own and sent them into the > world to make their way, built two airplanes and was able to fly over the > most beautiful sights, > today I looked into the eyes of my first grandchild, a girl. It was one of the > most beautiful sights I've ever seen. > Ain't life Grander than ever? > Think I'll get into the Piet and take that thought over the valley. > walt evans > NX140DL > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:46 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: good price for REAL Pietenpol plans on ebay now --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy just spotted this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2496643097&category=26441&sspagename=WDVW ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:37 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: way off topic, but right on for me --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Congratulations, Walt--- you are young for being a grandpa ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:51 AM PST US From: "Carl Loar" Subject: Pietenpol-List: N 40044 for sale Hello pieters,,, I know I haven't been on here much lately,,, though I do enjoy reading all the continuing news about everyones piets. Lately my health has not been what it should to be in the air and money has been tight. So I think it's time to put my plane up for sale. It's about an inch away from being inspected and flown. I had planned on putting it on ebay but I thought I would throw it out in here first. I have some pics on a website,, you can check it out. It is hangered in Blissfield Michigan. That's the lower SE corner of the state. I'll be starting the bids on ebay at $7000 which I feel is reasonable. That's a little less than what I have in it. When things get turned around,, well,, I'll probably start building another one,,, that was most of the fun... Well,,, just wanted to throw this out here before she went on the block. Carl ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:50 AM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Razorback Covering Why do you want to use a system that is not very forgiving? A rank amateur can do the heat shrink processes but not Razorback. Razorback is also heavier than cotton and twice as heavy as polyester. You want your airplane to be light and forgiving. Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick and Marge Gillespie To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Razorback Covering List, Looking for info on Razorback covering. Instruction manual and supply sources. Thanks, Dick G. in Ft. Myers, FL ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Mark Hodgson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Mark Hodgson Lists: Pietenpol-List Subject: More Brodhead 2004 http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/mhodgson@bu.edu.08.07.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:08 PM PST US From: "Jake Crause" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending Allowances --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jake Crause" Tracy thanks for the reply. After looking at the plans a bit closer and thinking about it a bit longer, I see that you are right. I do plan on adding about 1/2 inch to some of the fittings where it looks like it might be a close fit getting the bolt into the hole due to fabric or other obstructions. Is a 1/2 inch appropriate in most cases anyone? Thanks. Jake -----Original Message----- From: Catdesign [mailto:catdesign@intergate.com] Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending Allowances In my opinion the drawings do not include bend allowances. Also, lots of people have said to make the fitting's a tad bit longer (so they stick out more). I guess it's hard to get the bolts in once the plane is finished. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Jake Crause Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending Allowances Got a question about bending allowances. Do the drawings of the fittings that need to be bent already take into account bending allowances or do I need to calculate them and adjust the dimensions of the drawings accordingly. Also, is there a spacer of some sort between the cabane fitting and the spar where the fitting does not overlap the spar butt joint strap and the pulley bracket? If so, what is it? Thanks in advance. Jake Crause ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:55 PM PST US From: "walt evans" "Email List Photo Shares" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: [ Mark Hodgson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Mark, Great pictures! I got a kick out of them. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Email List Photo Shares" Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Mark Hodgson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Mark Hodgson > > Lists: Pietenpol-List > > Subject: More Brodhead 2004 > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/mhodgson@bu.edu.08.07.2004/index.html > > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures@matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:36 PM PST US From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Razorback Covering Cy, I bought a hurricane damaged piet. The wings will be recovered with Polyfiber but there's only a couple of small patches to be made in the fuse. I would like to find the best way to repair them and not have to recover the whole fuse. The razorback seems to be in good condition after 20 years and really looks good. If you could provide a source of information, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, DickG. in Ft. Myers, FL. ----- Original Message ----- From: cgalley To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Razorback Covering Why do you want to use a system that is not very forgiving? A rank amateur can do the heat shrink processes but not Razorback. Razorback is also heavier than cotton and twice as heavy as polyester. You want your airplane to be light and forgiving. Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick and Marge Gillespie To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Razorback Covering List, Looking for info on Razorback covering. Instruction manual and supply sources. Thanks, Dick G. in Ft. Myers, FL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:18 PM PST US From: Jimmy Courtney Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good price for REAL Pietenpol plans on ebay now Hello! Last year, I bought a complete set of "new" plans from Don Pietenpol for $165.00 including postage. This price included all plans with mods for extended fuselage and the steel tubing fuselage, all with the complete builders and flyers manual. Fair winds to all, Jim Courtney jbciii5656@yahoo.com pietflyr@bellsouth.net wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Anybody check out the price these things are going for? $96 when I just looked at it. I don't know what Don is charging for plans lately, but I think I only paid him $75 for mine. Jack Really enjoying the delightful flying qualities of my Air Camper > > From: Michael D Cuy > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon PM 01:57:18 EDT > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: good price for REAL Pietenpol plans on ebay now > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > just spotted this auction: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2496643097&category=26441&sspagename=WDVW > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:08 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: snow skiis I was just in Photo share looking at Shawn Wolks' post from last winter, of his Piet on skiis. Are there plans available for building snow skiis? Dick N. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:29 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Razorback Covering I sent your request on to rec.aviation.homebuilt where the razorback owner sometimes makes an appearance. They are located in Manila, Arkansas. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick and Marge Gillespie To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Razorback Covering Cy, I bought a hurricane damaged piet. The wings will be recovered with Polyfiber but there's only a couple of small patches to be made in the fuse. I would like to find the best way to repair them and not have to recover the whole fuse. The razorback seems to be in good condition after 20 years and really looks good. If you could provide a source of information, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, DickG. in Ft. Myers, FL. ----- Original Message ----- From: cgalley To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Razorback Covering ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick and Marge Gillespie To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Razorback Covering List, Looking for info on Razorback covering. Instruction manual and supply sources. Thanks, Dick G. in Ft. Myers, FL ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:25 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: mat'l sent Henry, I suggest that you plan to use the insulation blanket in a "sandwich" assembly between plywood firewall and sheet metal (stainless or galvanized steel). In my case, the original fuselage builder used a 1" thick solid plywood firewall. So for weight savings, I ended up cutting lightening holes in it. So I plan to use a very light gauge sheet metal backing to prevent the ceramic fibers from molting off inside the cabin. Since the ceramic fiber material can compress, I believe it would be natural for it to compress from 1/2 inch down to about 1/4 inch. This should work just fine, but the less you compress it, probably the better job it will do as an insulator. Spacers would help ensure that you don't compress the material excessively. I don't think it's necessary to use an adhesive like liquid nails. Instead, I think screws with large light-weight wachers or even staples would suffice to hold things in place until you can attach your sheet steel firewall. The sheet metal should be designed to permanently clamp the blanket in place and hold it against the wood. The engine mount attach fittings pose a challenge for trimming and fitting the sheet metal firewall, but I expect to have to do some creative bending and attachment in that area to keep as much insulation material against the wood as possible. Keep in mind the intent of the insulation when you are designing your parts and you'll do fine. I hope this helps. I am copying this letter to the Pietenpol email list since there were several who bought the ceramic material from me. Terry B. *********************************************************** In a message dated 10/25/2004 7:54:20 PM Central Standard Time, Borodent writes: > Subj:Re: mat'l sent > Date:10/25/2004 7:54:20 PM Central Standard Time > From:Borodent > To:BARNSTMR > > > > Terry > material arrived > many thanks > Henry Williams > > I have some questions, > Do I take it from the plywood firewood forward; ------ > next: the material - insulation > next: the (Im using stainless) steel > > Do you screw the stainless down to the plywood, or use spacers- to keep the > insulation from compressing excessively. If so what dimension would you want > for the insulatiuon ( 1/4 in? 1/2 in? thick ) > And I guess you just come as close as possible to the engine mounts with the > insulation and stainless. > Would you glue the insulation to the plywood say with liquid nail? > > OR do you have a source, where I can check on the insulation? > Henry W