---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/02/04: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - G-BUCO (Clif Dawson) 2. 05:56 AM - Re: G-BUCO (Galen Hutcheson) 3. 07:01 AM - Re: "Skinny Piet" (Rcaprd@aol.com) 4. 07:11 AM - Re: G-BUCO (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 5. 07:45 AM - Re: "Skinny Piet" (Rcaprd@aol.com) 6. 09:12 AM - Re: "Skinny Piet" (Gordon Bowen) 7. 10:05 AM - Re: "Skinny Piet" (Galen Hutcheson) 8. 10:09 AM - Re: G-BUCO (Galen Hutcheson) 9. 10:22 AM - Re: "Skinny Piet" (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 10. 10:28 AM - Re: G-BUCO (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 11. 11:42 AM - Re: G-BUCO (Galen Hutcheson) 12. 07:05 PM - Pics on Mykitplane.com (Galen Hutcheson) 13. 08:54 PM - America Tour '05 (Rcaprd@aol.com) 14. 08:58 PM - Re: "Skinny Piet" (Rcaprd@aol.com) 15. 09:51 PM - Re: America Tour '05 (Gordon Bowen) 16. 10:58 PM - Re: G-BUCO (Clif Dawson) 17. 11:18 PM - Re: "Skinny Piet" (Clif Dawson) 18. 11:50 PM - Re: G-BUCO (Galen Hutcheson) 19. 11:53 PM - Re: America Tour '05 (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:10 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Pietenpol-List: G-BUCO Someone in Merry Olde England has made an R/C model of Buco, 173" span. Saw it in passing on the cover of one of those pricy English model mags. Clif PS, Your welcome and thanks Galen. We'll be watching for pics of your progress too. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:31 AM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: G-BUCO --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Hi Clif, I have lots of pics but I don't know about posting them on the list. If anyone wants to see some of them, I will be happy to post them or email them to individuals. Thanks. Doc ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:22 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/2/04 12:59:49 AM Central Standard Time, CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca writes: << I moved the throttle quadrant 9 times to get it where it's comfortable for me as well. >> Clif, I relocated my power lever 3 times. I finally settled on the bottom side of the 1/2" X 3/4 stick under the panel, and it pivots in line with the longeron. I have the push button on / off for the smoke right on the end of the throttle lever. It's comfortable, and easy to oporate. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:57 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: G-BUCO --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Galen, Theres two popular ways to post pictures that a lot of folks on the list have been using. One is on the www.matronics.com site. The other one is on the www.mykitplane.com site. They're both simple enough and fun to use. -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:18 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/2/04 1:11:57 AM Central Standard Time, wacopitts@yahoo.com writes: << When I get my Piet built (heaven help me when) let's hook up and do a trip like that one. >> Hey Doc, I'm gonna hold you to that one !! I have a hunch there are some others who would join us. Imagine a whole gaggle of Low & Slow flyers, barnstorming America. Very true about so many great people out there, especially 'Airplane People', at the small airports. Americana at it's finest !! I carried about 65 lbs of carefully chosen stuff in the front pit. I found the skies east of Ol' Miss to be a bit more overcast than I'm used to, out here in the Mid West. For next summer, I'm kickin' around the idea of doing a lap around the Rocky Mountains, before heading for Brodhead. I gotta make the Tick Hill Fly In, then head West till I see the ocean, then up the Left Coast, find a pass up north around Washington / Idaho / Montana, and head East to Brodhead. Only problem I see with this plan, is I don't have a transponder. They tell me there is so many people out in California, and planes in the controlled airspace out there are thicker than flies on dead cat. I would have to pick my way past all those magenta circles on the chart. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:46 AM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" Chuck, As a truly "best left" coast flyer, I've made a couple trips thru the Rockies with my Tomahawk and can make a recommendation for you to transverse the mountains safely. 1) IFR- I follow roads, specifically I-80 and I-15 and I-90. The danger with I-90 is the altitude/weather problems between Spokane and Billings, but it's beautiful. I-80 has a high pass between Rawlings and Cheyenne but I've seen a lot of slow and slow's make it. From Washington you could drop south and follow the Snake River around the worst of the Rockies, then head north on I-15 then east on I-90. But most safe for a low and slow is to follow from WA south along I-84 the US rte. 40 to "South Pass", then I-80 east, this is the old Oregon Trail. Almost all the wagon trains crossed the mountains at South Pass along US. 40. 2) There's lots and lots of places to get lost in CA up close to the Sierras, don't let the color of the map fool you. 3) get the King Aviation DVD on mountain flying, and don't let the clear sky's fool you into thinking there are no winds and downdrafts that won't tear the wings off your plane. Clear air mountain waves and turbulence down close to the mountain tops can be a killer. Lastly, its a trip of a lifetime, so be careful. Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska Cozy IV N64CY Osprey II N64SY Pietenpol N-1033B Rebuilding "Fanaticism consists of redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet" > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/2/04 1:11:57 AM Central Standard Time, > wacopitts@yahoo.com writes: > > << When I get my Piet built (heaven help > me when) let's hook up and do a trip like that one. >> > > Hey Doc, > I'm gonna hold you to that one !! I have a hunch there are some others > who would join us. Imagine a whole gaggle of Low & Slow flyers, barnstorming > America. Very true about so many great people out there, especially 'Airplane > People', at the small airports. Americana at it's finest !! I carried > about 65 lbs of carefully chosen stuff in the front pit. I found the skies east > of Ol' Miss to be a bit more overcast than I'm used to, out here in the Mid > West. > For next summer, I'm kickin' around the idea of doing a lap around the > Rocky Mountains, before heading for Brodhead. I gotta make the Tick Hill Fly > In, then head West till I see the ocean, then up the Left Coast, find a pass up > north around Washington / Idaho / Montana, and head East to Brodhead. Only > problem I see with this plan, is I don't have a transponder. They tell me > there is so many people out in California, and planes in the controlled airspace > out there are thicker than flies on dead cat. I would have to pick my way past > all those magenta circles on the chart. > > Chuck G. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:37 AM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Hi Chuck, That sounds like a fun trip. I have done some mountain flying in the Carolinias but nothing like the Rockies. I would like to do some "out west" flying though. The upper midwest has some great (though not all that scenic) flying with plenty of good landing spots and lots of grass airstrips and lots of people who just love to fly. My part of the country (northern Arkansas) has some very scenic places to fly with lots of large lakes and rivers with mountains all around. When I was barnstorming, I pretty much followed Richard Bach's old route and hauled many riders who had once flown with Bach. Of course, I had to fly south to Florida in the winter and hauled skydivers mostly just to stay alive while making a living with an airplane. This is a great big and beautiful country and it would be a shame not to have seen as much of it as you can (from a low flying, open-cockpit puddle jumper). So when I get the Piet flying, I plan to do just that. I think the idea of a group of Piets all flying together would be a blast. It would be the new "Great American Flying Circus--Fly $3 A Head." Doc > > > > > > Click on the > this > by the > Admin. > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ www.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:40 AM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: G-BUCO --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Terry, Is that the photo-share part of matronics? I have posted some biplane photos there once. All I have seen on that site were flying airplanes of different makes. I haven't tried Mykitplanes yet. I'll give it a look-see and try to post some. Doc > > > > > > Click on the > this > by the > Admin. > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ www.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:51 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Chuck, Perhaps we'll need to move the Tick Hill fly-in up a couple of weeks earlier than last year. I've been thinking of this anyway... How does the last week or so of June sound? -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:31 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: G-BUCO --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Yes... the matronics photo share. Both are good. I have some photos and files about my project on mykitplane.com. Here's the link to the photo gallery. http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList.cfm?Menu=PhotoGallery -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:40 AM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: G-BUCO --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Terry, I enjoyed the photos. I have signed up on mykitplane.com and sent an email on "how to load photos". I couldn't figure out how to load them. Thanks for the info. Doc > > > > > > > Click on the > this > by the > Admin. > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ www.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:27 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pics on Mykitplane.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Hello All, I have posted some building photos on Mykitplane.com. I'm not sure how long it will take for them to appear. Hope you like them. Doc __________________________________ www.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:28 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/2/04 11:13:37 AM Central Standard Time, gbowen@ptialaska.net writes: << Chuck, As a truly "best left" coast flyer, I've made a couple trips thru the Rockies with my Tomahawk and can make a recommendation for you to transverse the mountains safely. 1) IFR- I follow roads, specifically I-80 and I-15 and I-90. The danger with I-90 is the altitude/weather problems between Spokane and Billings, but it's beautiful. I-80 has a high pass between Rawlings and Cheyenne but I've seen a lot of slow and slow's make it. From Washington you could drop south and follow the Snake River around the worst of the Rockies, then head north on I-15 then east on I-90. But most safe for a low and slow is to follow from WA south along I-84 the US rte. 40 to "South Pass", then I-80 east, this is the old Oregon Trail. Almost all the wagon trains crossed the mountains at South Pass along US. 40. 2) There's lots and lots of places to get lost in CA up close to the Sierras, don't let the color of the map fool you. 3) get the King Aviation DVD on mountain flying, and don't let the clear sky's fool you into thinking there are no winds and downdrafts that won't tear the wings off your plane. Clear air mountain waves and turbulence down close to the mountain tops can be a killer. Lastly, its a trip of a lifetime, so be careful. Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska Cozy IV N64CY Osprey II N64SY Pietenpol N-1033B Rebuilding "Fanaticism consists of redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim" >> Thanks Gordon !! I was hoping to find someone with experience in those mountains. I saved your e-mail, and directions. I just checked the map I have on the routes, and Homestake Pass in Montana, along Rt. 90 is at 6376'. Along Rt 80 in Utah, Coalsville Summet is 7800'. Isn't there any lower passes up there ? I've never had the ol' Piet anywhere near those altitudes. I heard there is a pass somewhere up there north of Rt 80, that is just over 5000'. I have the mixture wired full rich right now, so I will have to add a cable and mixture adjustment. Sometime in the spring, I'll bundle up, check temp and Density Altitude, and do a test flight to find out the Absolute Ceiling of my plane. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:08 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/2/04 12:23:17 PM Central Standard Time, BARNSTMR@aol.com writes: << Perhaps we'll need to move the Tick Hill fly-in up a couple of weeks earlier than last year. I've been thinking of this anyway... How does the last week or so of June sound? >> Terry, I'm just doing some preliminary planning right now. Management at work would probably get a chuckle out of my request for a month or two off work !! Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:40 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" Chuck, I think the lowest passes up to the North of the UT border are, north out of Idaho Falls along I-15, thats along the Beaverhead River to Dillion then Rt 41 east along to I-90 to Bozeman. You'd more or less follow the Snake River valley from Oregon/Washington up stream until you get to the high part of the mountains. Then have to turn north to get up on the Missouri and Yellowstone River drainages going downstream, more or less following the route of Lewis and Clark, going around the bad part of the mountains between Spokane and Butte. The Interstate roads actually cut thru most of these passes at about 6500' because that's just about the average of the continential divide all along the northern US Rockies. I misstated the US rte from Idaho Falls to east of Evanston WY, it's US Rte.30. This is the short cut that the truckers from Portland/Seattle take when they're going to Chicago. The trains from Seattle/Portland go to the south along I-84, Ogden thru the passes to I'80, cross all the mountains from west to east along I-80, this is the lowest route. Probably the most predicable weather from west to east is to come to the south from WA to Portland, follow I-84 all the way to I-80 then cross the highest part of the trip about Rawlings WY. At Rawlings you can go to Casper and then you're thru the mountains. The Mormon Trail followed that route but went north of Rawlings over South Pass. But you're gonna have to fly about 6000' min. because my homebase in UT is 4500', Rawlings Arpt I think is about 6500' and the mountain passes up to Evanston you have to climb another 2000' even just to skim along the Interstate. The weather is mostly clear and dry, the mountains are least obscured by weather fronts that come ashore between Portland and Seattle and obscure the mountains of a line from Spokane to Bozeman. Good Luck- Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05 > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/2/04 11:13:37 AM Central Standard Time, > gbowen@ptialaska.net writes: > > << Chuck, > As a truly "best left" coast flyer, I've made a couple trips thru the > Rockies with my Tomahawk and can make a recommendation for you to transverse > the mountains safely. 1) IFR- I follow roads, specifically I-80 and I-15 > and I-90. The danger with I-90 is the altitude/weather problems between > Spokane and Billings, but it's beautiful. I-80 has a high pass between > Rawlings and Cheyenne but I've seen a lot of slow and slow's make it. From > Washington you could drop south and follow the Snake River around the worst > of the Rockies, then head north on I-15 then east on I-90. But most safe > for a low and slow is to follow from WA south along I-84 the US rte. 40 to > "South Pass", then I-80 east, this is the old Oregon Trail. Almost all the > wagon trains crossed the mountains at South Pass along US. 40. 2) There's > lots and lots of places to get lost in CA up close to the Sierras, don't let > the color of the map fool you. 3) get the King Aviation DVD on mountain > flying, and don't let the clear sky's fool you into thinking there are no > winds and downdrafts that won't tear the wings off your plane. Clear air > mountain waves and turbulence down close to the mountain tops can be a > killer. Lastly, its a trip of a lifetime, so be careful. > Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska > Cozy IV N64CY > Osprey II N64SY > Pietenpol N-1033B Rebuilding > > "Fanaticism consists of redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your > aim" >> > > > Thanks Gordon !! > I was hoping to find someone with experience in those mountains. I saved > your e-mail, and directions. I just checked the map I have on the routes, > and Homestake Pass in Montana, along Rt. 90 is at 6376'. Along Rt 80 in Utah, > Coalsville Summet is 7800'. Isn't there any lower passes up there ? I've > never had the ol' Piet anywhere near those altitudes. I heard there is a pass > somewhere up there north of Rt 80, that is just over 5000'. I have the mixture > wired full rich right now, so I will have to add a cable and mixture > adjustment. Sometime in the spring, I'll bundle up, check temp and Density Altitude, > and do a test flight to find out the Absolute Ceiling of my plane. > > Chuck Gantzer > NX770CG > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:56 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: G-BUCO --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Take out a free subscription to Mykitplane and post as many pics as you want! :-) :-) http://www.mykitplane.com/ Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson > > Hi Clif, > > I have lots of pics but I don't know about posting > them on the list. If anyone wants to see some of > them, I will be happy to post them or email them to > individuals. Thanks. > > Doc > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:07 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson How about coming here? http://www.nweaa.org/ Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com> > For next summer, I'm kickin' around the idea of doing a lap around the > Rocky Mountains, before heading for Brodhead. I gotta make the Tick Hill Fly > In, then head West till I see the ocean, then up the Left Coast, find a pass up > north around Washington / Idaho / Montana, and head East to Brodhead. Only > problem I see with this plan, is I don't have a transponder. They tell me > there is so many people out in California, and planes in the controlled airspace > out there are thicker than flies on dead cat. I would have to pick my way past > all those magenta circles on the chart. > > Chuck G. > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:35 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: G-BUCO --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson --- Clif Dawson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > > Take out a free subscription to Mykitplane and post > as many pics as you want! :-) :-) > > http://www.mykitplane.com/ > > Clif > > > > Hi Clif, I posted some on mykitplane.com. Look in builders log section. Hope you like them. Doc > > > > > > > > > > Click on the > this > by the > Admin. > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ www.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:26 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson If your going to fly in our rock studded western clouds :-) you should check this out; http://www.mountainflying.com/index.htm Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > Thanks Gordon !! > I was hoping to find someone with experience in those mountains. I saved > your e-mail, and directions. I just checked the map I have on the routes, > and Homestake Pass in Montana, along Rt. 90 is at 6376'. Along Rt 80 in Utah, > Coalsville Summet is 7800'. Isn't there any lower passes up there ? I've > never had the ol' Piet anywhere near those altitudes. I heard there is a pass > somewhere up there north of Rt 80, that is just over 5000'. I have the mixture > wired full rich right now, so I will have to add a cable and mixture > adjustment. Sometime in the spring, I'll bundle up, check temp and Density Altitude, > and do a test flight to find out the Absolute Ceiling of my plane. > > Chuck Gantzer > NX770CG >