Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 11/09/04


Total Messages Posted: 9



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     1. 06:37 AM - Model A cooling (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
     2. 06:46 AM - Re: Model A cooling (Galen Hutcheson)
     3. 07:34 AM - Re: drag wires (Rcaprd@aol.com)
     4. 05:09 PM - Turnbuckles (David Paulsen)
     5. 05:32 PM - Possible Builder (David Peterson)
     6. 06:04 PM - Re: Possible Builder (Galen Hutcheson)
     7. 06:30 PM - Re: Turnbuckles (Richard Navratil)
     8. 06:37 PM - Re: Possible Builder (Jim Markle)
     9. 10:45 PM - Re: Possible Builder (Galen Hutcheson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:37:45 AM PST US
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    From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
    Subject: Model A cooling
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) When Frank Pavliga did the old Buckeye Piet. Newsletter, he use to write a lot about the model A. (Sky Gypsy had an A in it at the time) He said not to use a thermostat. They sometimes stick. If it sticks open it's no big deal, but if t sticks closed "she'll boil and down you go." I bought an already converted engine with a nice copper/brass radiator. It's nice but it weighs 18 lbs!!! That's HEAVY!! I'm going to use a 24in radiator that I bought from Leading Edge Airfoils.( all of the ultra light places sell it) Its for a VW Golf diesel and weighs only 4 lbs. Lowell Frank used this rad. in his hopped up model B Piet.(now with the Warner radial engine) It cooled it just fine. I talked to a custom radiator manufacture at a large car show a while back and he said that he could make up anything I want out of aluminum. Shiny brass sure looks good, but I would rater have a nicely painted aluminum rad any time for half or less the weight....or, what would you give me for a nice new unused copper brass Pietenpol radiator? Leon Stefan Nickerson Ks.


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    Time: 06:46:20 AM PST US
    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Model A cooling
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Leon, I might be interested in buying your radiator. Email me at wacopitts@yahoo.com. Thanks. Doc --- Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) > > When Frank Pavliga did the old Buckeye Piet. > Newsletter, he use to write > a lot about the model A. (Sky Gypsy had an A in it > at the time) He said > not to use a thermostat. They sometimes stick. If it > sticks open it's no > big deal, but if t sticks closed "she'll boil and > down you go." I > bought an already converted engine with a nice > copper/brass radiator. > It's nice but it weighs 18 lbs!!! That's HEAVY!! > I'm going to use a > 24in radiator that I bought from Leading Edge > Airfoils.( all of the > ultra light places sell it) Its for a VW Golf diesel > and weighs only 4 > lbs. Lowell Frank used this rad. in his hopped up > model B Piet.(now with > the Warner radial engine) It cooled it just fine. I > talked to a custom > radiator manufacture at a large car show a while > back and he said that > he could make up anything I want out of aluminum. > Shiny brass sure > looks good, but I would rater have a nicely painted > aluminum rad any > time for half or less the weight....or, what would > you give me for a > nice new unused copper brass Pietenpol radiator? > Leon Stefan Nickerson > Ks. > > > > > > > Click on the > this > by the > Admin. > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ www.yahoo.com


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    Time: 07:34:13 AM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: drag wires
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com Jeff, For the drag wires, I used 3/32" 7X19 steel cable. I attached the thimble / cable / nicopress right to the fitting. Radius, or camphor the straight cut (drilled) hole in the fitting with a very fine file, to fit the radius of the thimble - no need for the shackle. Pre-fit the length of cable needed, and nicopress before attaching the fitting to the wood. The other end use a turnbuckle with a fork in one end for the fitting, and the other end of the turnbuckle use an eye fitting for cable - not for a pin. (the pin eye for a turnbuckle has a straight cut drilled hole for a pin). The cable eye has the camphor in it to fit the radius of the thimble, similar to what I described earlier. The fitting should be bent so it pulls directly in alignment with the cable. This is a permanent install, but should have an inspection plate in the fabric, at each end of the cable, and should be checked frequently, especially during the flight test period. Check cable tension using the 'Twang' method. I use the 'Twang' method, and have never had the need to re-adjust the drag / anti-drag cable tension, however I still check it at least a couple of times a year. I have 200 + hours flight time on the airframe. Interesting note about how B.H.P. designed the outboard fittings...they not only locate a point for the drag / anti-drag cables, they secure the wingtip bows, and even if the nuts come off, the fittings will not pull off the structure, because of how the bolts are at 90 to each other. However, please use locking nuts, and flat washers against the wood !! I used motorcycle master links (just the half with holes in it) in several locations for flight control cables. Use aircraft #10 bolts (3/16") with the shank all the way through, and castle nuts with cotter pins. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG


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    Time: 05:09:43 PM PST US
    From: "David Paulsen" <dpaul@fidnet.com>
    Subject: Turnbuckles
    I would like to get some advice about turnbuckles. I've constructed a Piet Fuse with the spoked wheels, wood gear and straight through axle. It's time to install the 1/8" cables that cris-cross from one side of the gear to the other side. I need to put turnbuckles in these cables but don't know what kind to use. Some have loops at each end and some have pins. How large should they be? The turnbuckles in Wicks catalogue seem pretty expensive. It would be great if there was another source. Also, I purchased 1/4" bungee chord to wrap around the axle and gear. Now that it's arrived I think I should have ordered 1/8". Any opinions. Thanks - Dave


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    Time: 05:32:57 PM PST US
    From: "David Peterson" <Davidwpp@msn.com>
    Subject: Possible Builder
    Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:31:08 -0600 I am a potential Pietenpol builder. Is there any written set of instructions that have more detail than that reproduced from the 1930's? I have not yet built anything much less a Pietenpol. However, I am of the opinion that if I take my time to learn I could, in fact, build a Piet. Does anyone have any advice as to the best way for a novice builder to begin? David W. Peterson


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    Time: 06:04:37 PM PST US
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    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Possible Builder
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> David, I am a novice builder too. I had helped restore a couple of airplanes, but that was the extent of my building experience. I, too, had doubts of my being able to build this project. Believe me, the Pietenpol is very simple and leaves much for individual expression. Purchase a set of plans and that builders manual, the one reprinted from the 1930's and follow this news group, as well as the archives, order Bengelis building books and all your old Sport Aviation magizine articles, you should be well prepared. Many of us have hundreds of building pics and I even have some video of some steps and would be willing to share them with you, just let me know. Good luck and go ahead and take the plunge, it's easier than you think. Doc --- David Peterson <Davidwpp@msn.com> wrote: > I am a potential Pietenpol builder. Is there any > written set of instructions that have more detail > than that reproduced from the 1930's? I have not > yet built anything much less a Pietenpol. However, > I am of the opinion that if I take my time to learn > I could, in fact, build a Piet. Does anyone have > any advice as to the best way for a novice builder > to begin? > > David W. Peterson __________________________________ www.yahoo.com


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    Time: 06:30:35 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Turnbuckles
    Dave I don't think you would want 1/8" bungee. I went with 1/2". It was a real bear to stretch around but you definetly dont want spongy suspension. I am a bit concerned that mine might be too stiff but aside from one bad landing so far it has felt the way I want it. On the turnbuckles, I dont know if there are any regional airshows coming up soon near you, but there are vendors at most larger shows selling most of that sort of thing. You will want a fork in one end and eye in the other end. One suggestion is to buy some cable clamps at the hardware store that temporarily clamp the wire in place until you are real sure of the fit. It wil save lots of re-making the part. The Wicks part # for the short assembly is AN140-32S on page 121 Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Paulsen To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles I would like to get some advice about turnbuckles. I've constructed a Piet Fuse with the spoked wheels, wood gear and straight through axle. It's time to install the 1/8" cables that cris-cross from one side of the gear to the other side. I need to put turnbuckles in these cables but don't know what kind to use. Some have loops at each end and some have pins. How large should they be? The turnbuckles in Wicks catalogue seem pretty expensive. It would be great if there was another source. Also, I purchased 1/4" bungee chord to wrap around the axle and gear. Now that it's arrived I think I should have ordered 1/8". Any opinions. Thanks - Dave


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    Time: 06:37:25 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Possible Builder
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Many of us have hundreds of building pics > and I even have some video of some steps and would be > willing to share them with you, just let me know. Oh really???? Like what steps and do you have them copied to CD or DVD???? Something I might want to see? jm > Good luck and go ahead and take the plunge, it's > easier than you think. > > Doc > --- David Peterson <Davidwpp@msn.com> wrote: > >> I am a potential Pietenpol builder. Is there any >> written set of instructions that have more detail >> than that reproduced from the 1930's? I have not >> yet built anything much less a Pietenpol. However, >> I am of the opinion that if I take my time to learn >> I could, in fact, build a Piet. Does anyone have >> any advice as to the best way for a novice builder >> to begin? >> >> David W. Peterson > > > __________________________________ > www.yahoo.com > > >


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    Time: 10:45:33 PM PST US
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    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Possible Builder
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Hi Jim, I can copy them to CD if you want. But I think you are way ahead of me. I'm just now glueing in my seat brackets. So if you want them I can send you a CD or email some to you. Doc --- Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > > > > Many of us have hundreds of building pics > > and I even have some video of some steps and would > be > > willing to share them with you, just let me know. > > Oh really???? Like what steps and do you have them > copied to CD or DVD???? > Something I might want to see? > > jm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck and go ahead and take the plunge, it's > > easier than you think. > > > > Doc > > --- David Peterson <Davidwpp@msn.com> wrote: > > > >> I am a potential Pietenpol builder. Is there any > >> written set of instructions that have more detail > >> than that reproduced from the 1930's? I have not > >> yet built anything much less a Pietenpol. > However, > >> I am of the opinion that if I take my time to > learn > >> I could, in fact, build a Piet. Does anyone have > >> any advice as to the best way for a novice > builder > >> to begin? > >> > >> David W. Peterson > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click on the > this > by the > Admin. > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ www.yahoo.com




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