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1. 05:56 AM - Possible Builder (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 05:59 AM - Model A cooling (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 06:20 AM - inconspicuous earphones (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 07:11 AM - Re: prop - ground clearance (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: prop - ground clearance (Andimaxd@aol.com)
6. 07:35 AM - Oscar is hired ! (Michael D Cuy)
7. 07:52 AM - Re: prop - ground clearance (Bill Church)
8. 08:32 AM - Re: prop - ground clearance (Eric Williams)
9. 10:35 AM - Re: Re. Drag Wires (Gary Gower)
10. 01:01 PM - Turnbuckles etc. (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
11. 02:41 PM - Re: Model A cooling (john s)
12. 03:24 PM - Re: Model A cooling (Carl D. Vought)
13. 04:48 PM - Re: Re. Drag Wires (Galen Hutcheson)
14. 06:31 PM - Turnbuckles (David Paulsen)
15. 07:59 PM - Re: Turnbuckles (Galen Hutcheson)
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| Subject: | Possible Builder |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Well, back in my day we had what are called "records" (even before
8-tracks), round disks that you put on a player and set an arm with a needle
on it that followed a groove in the record and -voila- out came music! But
when you would get some Frito crumbs or strawberry jam on the record, or if
the record got a crack in it, the needle would "skip" and the machine would
play the same thing over and over again. (Talking nonsense here for the
sake of the modern cassette/CD/DVD generation).
I'll sound like a broken record here by saying this again... I believe one
of the very best things a "Pietenpol seeker", aka "Possible Builder" can do
is to buy Mike Cuy's video, take off your watch and put it away, pop the
video in the player and sit back with something cool to sip on. Watching
that video will tell you several things:
1) If you start leaning forward in your chair during the flying sequences,
or rewind back to the takeoff and watch the flying and smoke sequences over
and over, you're a candidate for building. You get bonus points if someone
in the other room asks you to please turn down the volume.
2) If you follow Mike's hangar walk-around and start to see all the little
details of the airplane and you find yourself saying, "great idea!", then
your mind is working in the right direction already. Bonus points if you
start looking for a scratch pad to make notes on.
3) If you are patient and watch the first two parts of the video and make it
through to the final third, which is Mike's narration of the building
process on his airplane where he explains things seen in still pictures that
he took, and you find yourself moving closer and closer to the TV to check
out the construction details, you're definitely a candidate for building.
Couple of other things about Pietenpols: they are not fast-build kits. They
are not fast airplanes. They are not big, wide, and roomy. But they are
honest, straightforward, and an enduring design with excellent builder
support. They are also probably one of the most affordable 2-place
homebuilts out there and do not require much in the way of specialized tools
or skills to build.
Now -skip, skip- Mike's video is $20 plus $4 shipping. Order from:
Michael Cuy
298 Runn St.
Berea, OH 44017
or check out details at http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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My Piet is going to be "A" powered, and the comments re the VW radiator are completely
correct in my experience. Larry Williams, who is often in this chat group,
flies a beautiful "A" piet and I think his radiator is a Golf radiator.
It sure is light and cheap.
I myself purchased a brass Forrest Lovly radiator and it sure is heavy and expensive,
BUT it'll be worth it to me for the appearance and nostalgia. At least
it's forward of the CG.
Everything I've ever read says do NOT use a thermostat because of the sticking
possisiblities. I used to run british sports cars and can't tell you how many
stuck thermostats I saw or experienced.
Also, there is a lot of debate re a pressurized cooling system or an open one.
It is probably true that running a little bit of pressure, say 2 or 3 pounds
would improve the cooling a bit, I am going with an unpressurized system because
I've heard of too many people loosing gaskets or seals somewhere in the cooling
system. I just drilled two small holes in my radiator cap. This is
what Forrest Lovly suggests and he's been around a lot of them. The alternative
would be to find a light safety valve that releases at 2 or 3 pounds and let
it into the radiator cap, but I'd sure shy away from any more pressure than that.
Also, seriously consider using a model "T" type water pump which mounts low down
on the side of the engine rather than the "A" type which mounts up top at the
"rear". One pushes hot liquid and one pulls it. Pushing is much more efficient
and will result in lower coolant temps. It is also nice because you can
plump a small water cock in the line coming from the "T" pump at the lowest point
of the system and use it to drain your coolant in the winter if you use water.
Syders sells two types of "T" pumps.
$ .02
Douwe
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| Subject: | inconspicuous earphones |
Hello,
I know this was discussed a month or so ago, but does anyone remember the place
that sells the earphones that go in the ear, under a flying helmet?
Thanks,
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: prop - ground clearance |
Hi Dick
Just measured mine yesterday (for the umpteenth time). Exactly 9 inches with
the tail up.
Don Hicks
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| Subject: | Re: prop - ground clearance |
I was told it was nine inches with one flat tire and the tail up.
Max
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| Subject: | Oscar is hired ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
As my new marketing manager ! Thanks for the good words, Oscar. So far
the tape seems to have been rec'd well.
I'd sure like to do a sequel but it would be about 6 hours long if I
included tidbits from all the video I actually took. I have
reams and reams of it. Maybe this winter with a nice hot toddie or three:)
Mike C.
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PS-- it's funny how when I am making a copy of the tape, sometimes in the
dead of winter I'll watch some of the flying
sequences and it reminds me that the best six mos. of every year for me is
Piet flying season !
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| Subject: | prop - ground clearance |
Here's an example of just how important the "subject line" is, when trying
to figure out what the topic of conversation is. : )
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Waytogopiet@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop - ground clearance
Hi Dick
Just measured mine yesterday (for the umpteenth time). Exactly 9 inches
with the tail up.
Don Hicks
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Here's an example of just how important the
"subject line" is, when trying to figure out what the topic of conversation is.
: )
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From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Waytogopiet@aol.com
AM
Subject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: prop - ground clearance
Hi Dick
Just measured mine yesterday (for the umpteenth time). Exactly 9
inches with the tail up.
Don Hicks
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| Subject: | prop - ground clearance |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
Ok - I'm laughing my arse off at that one! Thanks Bill.
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>From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: "'pietenpol-list@matronics.com'" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: prop - ground clearance
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:58:08 -0500
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>Here's an example of just how important the "subject line" is, when trying
>to figure out what the topic of conversation is. : )
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>Do not archive
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>Waytogopiet@aol.com
>Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:12 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop - ground clearance
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>Hi Dick
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>Just measured mine yesterday (for the umpteenth time). Exactly 9 inches
>with the tail up.
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>Don Hicks
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| Subject: | Re: Re. Drag Wires |
Hello Doc,
One of a few Great examples of first class Craftmanship in our
Pietenpol group is Mountain Piet, John used motorcycle chain master in
the alerion cables.
Here is a photo, I keep this set of photos.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson
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> Hi Clif,
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> Thanks for those two tips from the archives. I had
> heard something about motor cycle chain master links
> before but had not had a chance to check them out. I
> agree with those who find suitable substitutes for the
> overpriced aircraft hardware. Sometimes it is easy to
> forget that BHP designed this airplane to be built
> from the hardware store and lumber yard. Otherwise
> we could all be building RV-6's :0). I do appreciate
> these tips and will pass any on that I may happen
> onto. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles etc. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Hello: A good source for turnbuckles is B & B Aircraft of Gardner Ks.
(Ks. City) I was up there in June and he had a tray full of them for
$8.95 each. In a 1995 Buckeye news letter, John Greenlee gave an address
for the Co. that made his radiator. ..Bell Mfg. Bowie Tx. Ask for Dave.
817-872-2227, 1800-433-0939. They make radiators for oil well pump
engines. Greenlee said several builders have since bought from them.
They have the drawings on file and could whip one out for you for $250.
Not as pretty as a Lovely radiator, solder seams and marks are visible,
but Greenlee thought the rough huen look went well with the Piet which
has a 30's rough huen look any way. I would imagine if your engine has
the modern Ken Pirkens water pump you could run pressure, but not with
the original pump with the old packing gland seal. Larry Williams rad.
is not a VW golf rad., but it is similar. He had overheating problems in
the beginning, but that went away after brake in. NEW POTENTIAL
BUILDER....The plans are pure @%!&> Pretty good for a 15 year old kid
who drew them up from a completed airplane, but BHP who build around 23
airplanes never bothered to redraw a cleaned up, corrected set of plans.
Builders are still making the same mistakes 75 years later. You can get
around plans problems by asking lots of questions from people on this
list who have figured these things out. I would be afraid to buy a
project from some one who wasn't on this list. Leon Stefan Nickerson
Ks. with a barrel full of scrap, junk do overs because I interpreted he
vague areas of the plans wrong.
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| Subject: | Re: Model A cooling |
Thanks, Douwe to you and to all the other members for their inputs. I will not
be using a thermostat.
Best Regards,
John S
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A cooling
My Piet is going to be "A" powered, and the comments re the VW radiator are completely
correct in my experience. Larry Williams, who is often in this chat
group, flies a beautiful "A" piet and I think his radiator is a Golf radiator.
It sure is light and cheap.
I myself purchased a brass Forrest Lovly radiator and it sure is heavy and expensive,
BUT it'll be worth it to me for the appearance and nostalgia. At least
it's forward of the CG.
Everything I've ever read says do NOT use a thermostat because of the sticking
possisiblities. I used to run british sports cars and can't tell you how many
stuck thermostats I saw or experienced.
Also, there is a lot of debate re a pressurized cooling system or an open one.
It is probably true that running a little bit of pressure, say 2 or 3 pounds
would improve the cooling a bit, I am going with an unpressurized system because
I've heard of too many people loosing gaskets or seals somewhere in the cooling
system. I just drilled two small holes in my radiator cap. This is
what Forrest Lovly suggests and he's been around a lot of them. The alternative
would be to find a light safety valve that releases at 2 or 3 pounds and let
it into the radiator cap, but I'd sure shy away from any more pressure than
that.
Also, seriously consider using a model "T" type water pump which mounts low down
on the side of the engine rather than the "A" type which mounts up top at
the "rear". One pushes hot liquid and one pulls it. Pushing is much more efficient
and will result in lower coolant temps. It is also nice because you can
plump a small water cock in the line coming from the "T" pump at the lowest
point of the system and use it to drain your coolant in the winter if you use
water.
Syders sells two types of "T" pumps.
$ .02
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Model A cooling |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Has anyone discussed with you the art of cutting out cardboard circles to
attach to the radiator? I don't guess I've ever heard of a Model A with a
thermostat. Carl Vought
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:38:23 -0500, "john s" <smoyer98@snip.net> wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "john s" <smoyer98@snip.net>
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> Thanks, Douwe to you and to all the other members for their inputs. I
will not be using a thermostat.
> Best Regards,
> John S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Douwe Blumberg
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:10 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A cooling
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> My Piet is going to be "A" powered, and the comments re the VW radiator
are completely correct in my experience. Larry Williams, who is often in
this chat group, flies a beautiful "A" piet and I think his radiator is a
Golf radiator. It sure is light and cheap.
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> I myself purchased a brass Forrest Lovly radiator and it sure is heavy
and expensive, BUT it'll be worth it to me for the appearance and
nostalgia. At least it's forward of the CG.
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sticking possisiblities. I used to run british sports cars and can't tell
you how many stuck thermostats I saw or experienced.
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open one. It is probably true that running a little bit of pressure, say 2
or 3 pounds would improve the cooling a bit, I am going with an
unpressurized system because I've heard of too many people loosing gaskets
or seals somewhere in the cooling system. I just drilled two small holes
in my radiator cap. This is
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alternative would be to find a light safety valve that releases at 2 or 3
pounds and let it into the radiator cap, but I'd sure shy away from any
more pressure than that.
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low down on the side of the engine rather than the "A" type which mounts up
top at the "rear". One pushes hot liquid and one pulls it. Pushing is
much more efficient and will result in lower coolant temps. It is also
nice because you can plump a small water cock in the line coming from
the "T" pump at the lowest point of the system and use it to drain your
coolant in the winter if you use water.
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| Subject: | Re: Re. Drag Wires |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Hi Gary,
Thanks for that pic. The master link looks good as
well as being plenty strong. That is probably the way
I am going to go. I'm sure BHP would have done the
same thing if he had to pay the prices we have to pay
from A/C supply houses.
Doc
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Thanks - Richard, Jim and Leon. I appreciate your input. Jim, those turnbuckle
photos you sent were just what the doctor ordered. To answer your question -
I live in south central Missouri...quite a ways away from Plano.
Dave
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Dave,
I live in Harrison, AR. Probably not too far from
you. What town do you live in? I did a lot of
barnstorming in Gainesville and Willow Springs and
flew an airshow in West Plains, MO. Just interested.
Doc
--- David Paulsen <dpaul@fidnet.com> wrote:
> Thanks - Richard, Jim and Leon. I appreciate your
> input. Jim, those turnbuckle photos you sent were
> just what the doctor ordered. To answer your
> question - I live in south central Missouri...quite
> a ways away from Plano.
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