---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/12/04: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:47 AM - Re: registration numbers (Phillips, Jack) 2. 08:20 AM - Re: Possible Builder (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 3. 09:06 AM - Re: Possible Builder (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 4. 09:07 AM - Re: prop - ground clearance (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 5. 11:09 AM - Re: Possible Builder (David Peterson) 6. PM - () 7. 04:17 PM - registration numbers (Ted Brousseau) 8. 04:59 PM - Re: Flying advice (DJ Vegh) 9. 05:52 PM - Re: Turnbuckles (David Paulsen) 10. 10:50 PM - Re: Turnbuckles (Galen Hutcheson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:17 AM PST US From: "Phillips, Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: registration numbers I expected to have a real problem with the FAA when they were inspecting my Pietenpol. I have the numbers "NX899JP" in 3" numbers on the rudder, and 30" numbers on the wings. I do NOT have the EXPERIMENTAL sign anywhere on the aircraft. I had all kinds of documentation and pictures of other Pietenpols (Mike Cuy's) using the NX numbers for the argument. The inspector just shrugged his shoulders and said "it's legal". Note that this was a guy from the Greensboro FSDO, not a DAR For more information on registering your homebuilr, go to the EAA's website, member's only section under Homebuilders Headquarters. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: Bert Conoly [mailto:bconoly@earthlink.net] Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: registration numbers Yeah But make sure your DAR is interpreting the FAR the same way. Some DARs and FAA guys are not on the same page I expected to have a real problem with the FAA when they were inspecting my Pietenpol. I have the numbers "NX899JP" in 3" numbers on the rudder, and 30" numbers on the wings. I do NOT have the EXPERIMENTAL sign anywhere on the aircraft. I had all kinds of documentation and pictures of other Pietenpols (Mike Cuy's) using the NX numbers for the argument. The inspector just shrugged his shoulders and said "it's legal". Note that this was a guy from the Greensboro FSDO, not a DAR For more information on registering your homebuilr, go to the EAA's website, member's only section under Homebuilders Headquarters. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC

-----Original Message----- From: Bert Conoly [mailto:bconoly@earthlink.net] 11:14 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: registration numbers

Yeah But make sure your DAR is interpreting the FAR the same way. Some DARs and FAA guys are not on the same page

________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:00 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Possible Builder --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com David, Welcome to the list. My recommendation is to JUST START! Build the parts that you consider the simplest first. Once you start making sawdust and metal shavings, you'll get into the hang of it. The skills you develop on the simpler parts lead you into the ability to make the more complex parts. The sooner you start, the sooner you'll be flying! -- Terry L. Bowden p.s. Where are you located? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:28 AM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Possible Builder David and any other "possible builder..." I have a GN-1 Air Camper (like a Pietenpol) project listed on Barnstormers. This project would really give someone a great "jump-start" on an Air Camper. The project is an 80% finished fuselage and nearly all of the wing ribs, built by DJ Vegh. The ribs are pristine examples of fine craftsmanship, as is the fuselage. The fuselage looks as if a highly skilled cabinet maker built it. I'll let the project go for less than it is listed on Barnstormers. Lots of extra stuff comes with this project to include a new J3 landing gear mounted to the fuselage, many laser cut metal parts, brakes, torque tube is already mounted. Tail feathers are already built. Visit www.barnstormers.com and do a search for Pietenpol and you'll see this project. I've included a link to DJ's website that has some very good photos of the fuselage. I can send pictures of the ribs and other parts to anyone who asks. Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport Central Texas ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:23 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: prop - ground clearance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Good one Bill... That was Hilarious! -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:26 AM PST US From: "David Peterson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Possible Builder Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:08:31 -0600 Terry: Currently we live in Schaumburg, IL. Next May we are moving to Poplar Grove, IL. From Poplar Grove, using our C-140, we are 20 minutes from Brodhead. David W. Peterson ----- Original Message ----- From: BARNSTMR@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Possible Builder --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com David, Welcome to the list. My recommendation is to JUST START! Build the parts that you consider the simplest first. Once you start making sawdust and metal shavings, you'll get into the hang of it. The skills you develop on the simpler parts lead you into the ability to make the more complex parts. The sooner you start, the sooner you'll be flying! -- Terry L. Bowden p.s. Where are you located? www.buildersbooks.com! http://www.matronics.com/contribution pietenpol-list@matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/search http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare http://www.matronics.com/pietenpol-list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists report> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:19 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration numbers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" Bert, There shouldn't be anything to"interpret". Maybe they are using outdated materials. Direct them to the Amateur Built Aircraft Reference Material put out by the FAA also known as AC No.. 20-27F dated 9/26/2003. Go to page 8 paragraph (2) where it says, Height of marks - At least 2" for aircraft with the same external configuration (that is a replica) of a small aircraft built at least 30 years ago." And paragraph (3) "Experimental" aircraft designation. Follow the guidelines in the table below to determine whether you need an "experimental" aircraft designation. The table says, "replica aircraft - do not have to label your aircraft "experimental" if it is a replica of an aircraft built at least 30 years ago. However, in such a case, you must include an "X" between the nationality designation and the registration number", i.e. NX1234. Hope this helps. Ted > Time: 08:14:36 PM PST US > From: "Bert Conoly" > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: registration numbers > > Yeah But make sure your DAR is interpreting the FAR the same way. Some DARs and > FAA guys are not on the same page > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alexms1@comcast.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: registration numbers > > > D.J. > If you use NX----- in your number you will not have to have the word EXPERIMENTAL > posted inside of the plane. The X serves the same purpose. > Alex Sloan ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:29 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying advice --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" wow... thats a long journey in a Pacer. Will you be standing on a corner in Winslow, AZ? ;) DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying advice > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" > > > Help. I am bringing a Piper Pacer from Winslow AZ to Naples FL next week. > > I need some advice. > > Like, how much snow is too much to land in? > > Any must stop eating or sightseeing from the air places along the way? > > Anything else? > > Thanks, Ted > > Yes, the heater is supposed to work > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:02 PM PST US From: "David Paulsen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "David Paulsen" Thanks Doc. Sounds great. Work keeps me tied up these days but hopefully sometime in the near future we can get together. I have a friend that lets me rent his old Aeronca. Perhaps that would make a nice trip sometime. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galen Hutcheson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson > > Dave, > > I've heard of Cuba, but not quite sure where it is. I > will look on the map. I'd like for you to come down > sometime and see my project, I still have a long way > to go before it flies though. Just let me know when > you want to come down. > > Doc > --- David Paulsen wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "David > > Paulsen" > > > > Doc, > > > > I just moved into a new place next to the Cuba, > > Missouri Airport so > > when I retire in June I can finish my Piet and keep > > it close by. I'd like > > to meet you sometime. > > > > Dave > > > > Do not archive > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Galen Hutcheson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:59 PM > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen > > Hutcheson > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > I live in Harrison, AR. Probably not too far from > > > you. What town do you live in? I did a lot of > > > barnstorming in Gainesville and Willow Springs and > > > flew an airshow in West Plains, MO. Just > > interested. > > > > > > Doc > > > --- David Paulsen wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks - Richard, Jim and Leon. I appreciate > > your > > > > input. Jim, those turnbuckle photos you sent > > were > > > > just what the doctor ordered. To answer your > > > > question - I live in south central > > Missouri...quite > > > > a ways away from Plano. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not archive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click on the > > this > > by the > > Admin. > > > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > www.yahoo.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:21 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Obl5156h5jOipDsU9ovXYeCrjLcZOk+DYcZkX9/RCYYfWbFfUKnWVpt83NvcvpnH2VDYTGa3nFh+DC1n7Ex97kOUvJIQePN9DKyyjjoD/2lePc4yfBMidp3PxCdz1tDur44ujLyCXCItrgmJ5d2pO1V/ahz5OFyNsF5GZKS1ANs= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson That's great Dave, just let me know when you want to come down. Doc --- David Paulsen wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "David > Paulsen" > > Thanks Doc. Sounds great. Work keeps me tied up > these days but hopefully > sometime in the near future we can get together. I > have a friend that lets > me rent his old Aeronca. Perhaps that would make a > nice trip sometime. > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Galen Hutcheson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen > Hutcheson > > > > > Dave, > > > > I've heard of Cuba, but not quite sure where it > is. I > > will look on the map. I'd like for you to come > down > > sometime and see my project, I still have a long > way > > to go before it flies though. Just let me know > when > > you want to come down. > > > > Doc > > --- David Paulsen wrote: > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "David > > > Paulsen" > > > > > > Doc, > > > > > > I just moved into a new place next to the > Cuba, > > > Missouri Airport so > > > when I retire in June I can finish my Piet and > keep > > > it close by. I'd like > > > to meet you sometime. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > Do not archive > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Galen Hutcheson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:59 PM > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen > > > Hutcheson > > > > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > > > I live in Harrison, AR. Probably not too far > from > > > > you. What town do you live in? I did a lot of > > > > barnstorming in Gainesville and Willow Springs > and > > > > flew an airshow in West Plains, MO. Just > > > interested. > > > > > > > > Doc > > > > --- David Paulsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks - Richard, Jim and Leon. I > appreciate > > > your > > > > > input. Jim, those turnbuckle photos you > sent > > > were > > > > > just what the doctor ordered. To answer your > > > > > question - I live in south central > > > Missouri...quite > > > > > a ways away from Plano. > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not archive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click on the > > > this > > > by the > > > Admin. > > > > > > Contributions > > > any other > > > Forums. > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click on the > this > by the > Admin. > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > === message truncated ===