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1. 06:40 AM - Re: "Skinny Piet" (john e fay)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: "Skinny Piet" (Galen Hutcheson)
3. 09:22 AM - Re: Flying advice (Larry Nelson)
4. 11:31 AM - [ Jack Phillips ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
5. 02:04 PM - Re: [ Jack Phillips ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (walt evans)
6. 03:43 PM - Re: Re. Drag Wires (Gary Gower)
7. 03:50 PM - Re: [ Jack Phillips ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Galen Hutcheson)
8. 04:18 PM - Re: [ Jack Phillips ] : NX899JP (DJ Vegh)
9. 04:23 PM - is this possible in a Piet? (DJ Vegh)
10. 06:21 PM - Re: [ Jack Phillips ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (alexms1@comcast.net)
11. 07:24 PM - Re: Flying advice (Richard Navratil)
12. 07:42 PM - NX41CC is down (Oscar Zuniga)
13. 09:28 PM - Re: NX41CC is down (Galen Hutcheson)
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| Subject: | Re: "Skinny Piet" |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: john e fay <jefay@juno.com>
> Hello Gang,
>
> Just for curosity sake, has anyone tried or even
> considered a little wider fuselage for that skinny
> little Piet.
This reply is a little late, but I've been away from my computer for a
while.
I am getting ready to build my fuselage this summer, and this last year
we built a mock-up of the cockpit area. What I plan to do is build it
the standard width of 24", but I am using the long fuselage plans, and am
keeping the fuselage the full width to the rear seat back. I then start
the taper at that point. That gives about 2 more inches of width at the
pilot's shoulder.The cockpit seems plenty roomy to me (I am 5' 10" and
about 230 pounds).
John Fay
in Peoria
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| Subject: | Re: "Skinny Piet" |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Hi John,
That sounds like a good plan and should work. I have
already put my fuselage together and it is two inches
wider than plans. I really like the shape of the
fuselage and it is plenty roomy. I am now trying to
figure out a way of making a full width front bench
seat and still have room to use the rudder bar under
the front seat.
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: Flying advice |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
If so, that would be such a fine sight to see.
--- DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
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> wow... thats a long journey in a Pacer.
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> Will you be standing on a corner in Winslow, AZ?
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted
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> > Help. I am bringing a Piper Pacer from Winslow AZ
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| Subject: | [ Jack Phillips ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | Re: [ Jack Phillips ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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Jack,
Man, she's a beauty!
You have the right to be proud of that Piet!
walt evans
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| Subject: | Re: Re. Drag Wires |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hi Doc,
In fact, I got the idea from the Glier & flyers Manual (1928-1932)
from the EAA... In that days there was no ACS&S :-) Great books.
Saludos
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> Thanks for that pic. The master link looks good as
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> I am going to go. I'm sure BHP would have done the
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WOW! I love that airplane. Those wheels are beautiful too! SUPER SUPER
job. love it!
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0.26 UPPERCASE_25_50 message body is 25-50% uppercase
for those of you who don't have an electrical system..... maybe your
passenger could do this for an engine restart
see attached image
DJ Vegh
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Jack,
Great pictures and a beautiful Pietenpol. More pictures requested.
Alex Sloan
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Hi Ted
I'm going to guess that you may have been looking for a serious answer to
your question about too much snow.
Snow is very tricky and can be dangerous. I have done a lot of flying thru
snow and there are two main problems. The first is obviously having it
stick to the wings and prop. I don't think given the type of plane you are
flying you will be going out in those conditions. This is the season for
snow showers, kind of like the Florida rain showers where you can often bob
and weave around them.
The main question is landing in snow. Don't attempt landing on an un plowed
runway Airports in snow areas are very good at clearing but you need to
know conditions in advance. Ask the tower for braking action reports. ATIS
usually has that. Snow patches are often packed on a runway, ice is the
worst. Especially in cross wind landings and takeoffs. Planes to slide of
the sides of runways occasionallly.
Its not the snow depth on the ground, it's the clean up. Colder is better.
If the day temp gets to almost thawing and late in the day melting snow re
freezes making very slick surface.
Dick N.
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying advice
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Howdy, low and slow fliers;
I'm sure someone will pick up on this sooner or later, so here's the
official NTSB incident report:
http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1112_N.txt
My instructor, Charlie Avaritt, was at the controls (solo), approx. 500'
AGL, when carb ice caused the engine to begin running rough. Conditions
were ideal for formation of carb ice and there is no doubt that this was the
cause of the engine roughness. Application of full carb heat did not smooth
it out enough to maintain flying speed or altitude and a precautionary
landing was attempted in the only available field within miles (and very
little gliding range from that altitude). The landing was successful but
the rollout, in an unimproved field, collapsed the landing gear at a fairly
low airspeed (broke a fitting on one of the shock struts, leading to
collapse of the other). The airplane dropped to its belly, the air intake
and leading edge of the firewall dug in, the airplane gently nosed over and
ended up on its back. Charlie unhooked the harness, got out, and walked
away, there was no fire, the engine was stopped during final approach so the
prop was horizontal and no damage whatsoever to the engine itself or the
prop.
Photos and a more complete report will follow, but here it is in a nutshell:
the Pietenpol is a strong airplane! No damage whatsoever to the wings,
horizontal stabilizer, elevator, or almost all of the fuselage. Lower
cowling is bent, carb is ruined (but I have another), air box will need
reworking, gascolator mount ditto (the carb and gascolator were what nosed
into the ground and flipped the airplane). There is sandy loam (DIRT!)
pretty much all inside the cowling from when the airplane dug in, mixed with
dry grass. The forward cabanes are bent and will need to be replaced, from
the rollover onto the wing. Leading edge of the vertical stabilizer is
cracked (again, from the rollover and drop onto the tip of the VS) and will
have to be replaced and the VS recovered. EAA 35 members will be called on
heavily to pitch in with the repairs and I'm sure they will rise to the
occasion!
ELT activated upon impact but until we thought about it and shut it off two
days later (Saturday), nobody called or showed up. Makes you wonder what
would have happened if somebody was dying, laying in the snow on a
mountainside. Also makes you wonder why the FAA makes us pay for these
things when they are of no use, but maybe why they are obsoleting the VHF
units in favor of UHF. Corky: the seat belt and shoulder harness worked to
perfection. So did the ELT mounts and everything else.
Post-script: after flipping the airplane back over and temporarily bracing
the main gear legs with some electrical cable so it was steady on its legs,
the trip through town on a flatbed trailer was thought to be part of a
Veterans' Day parade and everybody waved as the plane rolled slowly by on
its way to the airport. The airplane is extremely popular with people and
nobody even noticed that the airplane was injured.
Corky: please don't kill me. I promise that none of this is a reflection on
your building skills, your airplane, or anything having to do with
Louisiana. The airplane will live to fly again, and it will have a more
robust carb heat knob and control, as well as a very positive verification
of adequate temperature rise through the carb heat muff even if it means
that I take off the muff and wrap door springs around the exhaust pipes or
stuff the muff with coarse steel wool. There was just not enough carb heat,
maybe 100 degrees on runup. All the parts for a proper system are there,
but the carb heat really needs to warm that air! To those of you on the
fence about carb heat: (an old Mexican proverb:) "el golpe avisa". Roughly
translated, "the blow teaches a lesson".
News at 11, plus pictures. Sigh. I still have not flown my airplane.
However, it could have been worse: I could have had my grandson up with
me...! Happy Thanksgiving, friends, and I'll keep y'all informed as we get
into the repairs. I think back to the many test flights that Mr. Pietenpol
had in his prototypes, the number of times that he found out "the hard way"
what worked and what didn't, and it's really no big deal to fix the airplane
and get back out there again like he did time and time again.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Hi Oscar,
Sorry to hear about your plane. Always happy there
are no injuries...except to wood and metal and all
that is repairable. I'm sad to say that over the past
30 odd years of flying, I have totaled out six
aircraft...AND NOT A SINGLE INJURY!!! Best wishes and
you will have her flying again soon. Remember
always...just as strong or stronger than the
original...
Doc
--- Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Howdy, low and slow fliers;
>
> I'm sure someone will pick up on this sooner or
> later, so here's the
> official NTSB incident report:
>
> http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1112_N.txt
>
> My instructor, Charlie Avaritt, was at the controls
> (solo), approx. 500'
> AGL, when carb ice caused the engine to begin
> running rough. Conditions
> were ideal for formation of carb ice and there is no
> doubt that this was the
> cause of the engine roughness. Application of full
> carb heat did not smooth
> it out enough to maintain flying speed or altitude
> and a precautionary
> landing was attempted in the only available field
> within miles (and very
> little gliding range from that altitude). The
> landing was successful but
> the rollout, in an unimproved field, collapsed the
> landing gear at a fairly
> low airspeed (broke a fitting on one of the shock
> struts, leading to
> collapse of the other). The airplane dropped to its
> belly, the air intake
> and leading edge of the firewall dug in, the
> airplane gently nosed over and
> ended up on its back. Charlie unhooked the harness,
> got out, and walked
> away, there was no fire, the engine was stopped
> during final approach so the
> prop was horizontal and no damage whatsoever to the
> engine itself or the
> prop.
>
> Photos and a more complete report will follow, but
> here it is in a nutshell:
> the Pietenpol is a strong airplane! No damage
> whatsoever to the wings,
> horizontal stabilizer, elevator, or almost all of
> the fuselage. Lower
> cowling is bent, carb is ruined (but I have
> another), air box will need
> reworking, gascolator mount ditto (the carb and
> gascolator were what nosed
> into the ground and flipped the airplane). There is
> sandy loam (DIRT!)
> pretty much all inside the cowling from when the
> airplane dug in, mixed with
> dry grass. The forward cabanes are bent and will
> need to be replaced, from
> the rollover onto the wing. Leading edge of the
> vertical stabilizer is
> cracked (again, from the rollover and drop onto the
> tip of the VS) and will
> have to be replaced and the VS recovered. EAA 35
> members will be called on
> heavily to pitch in with the repairs and I'm sure
> they will rise to the
> occasion!
>
> ELT activated upon impact but until we thought about
> it and shut it off two
> days later (Saturday), nobody called or showed up.
> Makes you wonder what
> would have happened if somebody was dying, laying in
> the snow on a
> mountainside. Also makes you wonder why the FAA
> makes us pay for these
> things when they are of no use, but maybe why they
> are obsoleting the VHF
> units in favor of UHF. Corky: the seat belt and
> shoulder harness worked to
> perfection. So did the ELT mounts and everything
> else.
>
> Post-script: after flipping the airplane back over
> and temporarily bracing
> the main gear legs with some electrical cable so it
> was steady on its legs,
> the trip through town on a flatbed trailer was
> thought to be part of a
> Veterans' Day parade and everybody waved as the
> plane rolled slowly by on
> its way to the airport. The airplane is extremely
> popular with people and
> nobody even noticed that the airplane was injured.
>
> Corky: please don't kill me. I promise that none of
> this is a reflection on
> your building skills, your airplane, or anything
> having to do with
> Louisiana. The airplane will live to fly again, and
> it will have a more
> robust carb heat knob and control, as well as a very
> positive verification
> of adequate temperature rise through the carb heat
> muff even if it means
> that I take off the muff and wrap door springs
> around the exhaust pipes or
> stuff the muff with coarse steel wool. There was
> just not enough carb heat,
> maybe 100 degrees on runup. All the parts for a
> proper system are there,
> but the carb heat really needs to warm that air! To
> those of you on the
> fence about carb heat: (an old Mexican proverb:) "el
> golpe avisa". Roughly
> translated, "the blow teaches a lesson".
>
> News at 11, plus pictures. Sigh. I still have not
> flown my airplane.
> However, it could have been worse: I could have had
> my grandson up with
> me...! Happy Thanksgiving, friends, and I'll keep
> y'all informed as we get
> into the repairs. I think back to the many test
> flights that Mr. Pietenpol
> had in his prototypes, the number of times that he
> found out "the hard way"
> what worked and what didn't, and it's really no big
> deal to fix the airplane
> and get back out there again like he did time and
> time again.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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