---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/17/04: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:42 AM - [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle) 2. 05:33 AM - straight gear brake drums (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 05:38 AM - Model A water temp and oil pressure line routing (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 05:43 AM - Re: Wire Wheel info (Phillips, Jack) 5. 06:35 AM - Rib stitching question (Christopher Friel) 6. 06:42 AM - Re: Rib stitching question (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 7. 06:54 AM - Cable & Lines - routing (Rcaprd@aol.com) 8. 06:54 AM - Re: Rib stitching question (Phillips, Jack) 9. 08:37 AM - Re: straight gear brake drums (Galen Hutcheson) 10. 11:11 AM - you remember, Chuck ! (Michael D Cuy) 11. 11:22 AM - bungee tightness & war stories (Michael D Cuy) 12. 04:37 PM - Re: you remember, Chuck ! (Galen Hutcheson) 13. 10:07 PM - Re: you remember, Chuck ! (Stacy Clark) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:56 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. 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The SSL Secure Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:34 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight gear brake drums A machinist friend and myself have designed a brake drum/wheel hub combo for straight axle gear that will fit inside the wire wheel, so nothing protrudes. It will use eight inch hydraulic brake innerds and a custom made aluminum drum/hub assembly. He is interested in making up a few more sets if there is enough interest. At this point he's willing to sell a few almost at cost so he can get them on airplanes and get the word out. He hasn't finished mine yet so he doesn't have a set price, but I'm guessing between four and five hundred for a set. You'd then have to have them laced up. They'll come with bushings for the normal straight axle gear. If anyone is interested, l'll compile a list and when mine are done I'll get you pictures and specs and if you like them you guys can work deals out with him. Douwe douweblumberg@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:22 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A water temp and oil pressure line routing I'm trying like crazy to keep as many lines as possible out of the cockpits and run along the fuselage. I'm not sure if this is a good idea for my oil pressure tube and my water temp line. Putting them under the covering makes them inaccessable, but I'm not sure if they need to be accessed ever. They're both hard lines so are a little hard to get around the vertical members in the cockpits cleanly. I don't think they should run through the same conduit as my mag wires because of heat and possible leakage, but maybe screwd to the fuse skin somewhere?? Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel info From: "Phillips, Jack" Hi Clif, My wing LE is 12.63" aft of the firewall, so the axle is 6-7/8" aft of the leading edge of the wing. My wing is 3-3/4" aft of vertical and I might move it another =BC" aft or so to move my CG a bit further forward (as a percentage of wing chord). Right now with me alone and minimal fuel, my CG is right at the aft limit. Jack -----Original Message----- Jack, How far aft of the wing LE? Clif ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib stitching question From: "Christopher Friel" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christopher Friel" Hello everybody, Is it necessary to rib-stitch the tail-feathers when covering? Chris Friel Davis, CA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:14 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib stitching question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com YES...They are in the propeller slipstream, so spacing is recommended half the normal spacing. -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:10 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable & Lines - routing --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/17/04 7:38:33 AM Central Standard Time, douweblumberg@earthlink.net writes: << I don't think they should run through the same conduit as my mag wires because of heat and possible leakage, but maybe screwd to the fuse skin somewhere?? >> Douwe, I prefer to have access to items that may need future service. I ran the oil pressure line, and oil temp line along the starboard side of the front cockpit, secured under the longeron, with rubber coated aluminum Adel clamps (P clamps), and they are completely out of the way of the front passenger, or camping cargo. Now, the port side of the front pit is another story. I used a 3/8" steel tubing from the throttle lever, to just under the front panel, near the forward cabane strut. From there I used a J3 throttle cable to the carb. I used the length of the throttle cable to determine how long the 3/8" push / pull tube would be. The Tach cable was the biggest challenge, because there was just no way to route it to the back of the tach, which is down low on the port side of my instrument panel. I even made a tapered wedge to mount the tach in, so it faces the pilot a little bit, and helps keep the tach cable point a little bit toward the longeron. The tach cable sticks out of the front of the panel, right in the way of passenger climbing in and out. I also have the P-Leads, Pitot & Static lines, Carb heat cable, Fuel shut off cable, battery leads are aircraft wire from the firewall mounted battery, smoke pump wire, and now I plan on running a fuel mixture cable to the carb. Lots of stuff there, but it is secure, and I haven't had any problems with any of it, except for the appearance. While we're talking about planning stuff in the front pit, I also have 4 hard points on the floor, to secure cargo to. The front ones are a fitting bolted to the lower, inner engine mount brackets. Last spring, I changed the EL brackets on the inside of the forward landing gear / lift strut attach point. I used .060 4130 steel, and instead of just bending an EL, I added enough material to the vertical leg, to make a slight bend in at the top, drilled a 1/4" hole in it, and I have two more hard points to secure cargo. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib stitching question From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Yes. Loss of fabric on the tail would be catastrophic. Besides, assuming you are covering the tail first, it is good practice for ribstitching the wing. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Friel [mailto:cjfriel@ucdavis.edu] Hello everybody, Is it necessary to rib-stitch the tail-feathers when covering? Chris Friel Davis, CA ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:36 AM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=38pa6xEYCuV2Rk+pk1+C/vcNCaiTpW3KsCWoLeOkpxIMOXFG5hubYznLUnzb/WIYoWVC1Mc+f2r62aef52beqZYx8ubE8qEQs4uM4slnrNl5Gn8FjpnJVSjlkoIXY2Jkt/RidhMEChB0f1Gc6GXSlfVwoA95Tzyv+/ItY8UN1yI= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: straight gear brake drums --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson I would be interested in seeing the pics. Doc --- Douwe Blumberg wrote: > A machinist friend and myself have designed a brake > drum/wheel hub combo for straight axle gear that > will fit inside the wire wheel, so nothing > protrudes. > > It will use eight inch hydraulic brake innerds and a > custom made aluminum drum/hub assembly. > > He is interested in making up a few more sets if > there is enough interest. At this point he's > willing to sell a few almost at cost so he can get > them on airplanes and get the word out. > > He hasn't finished mine yet so he doesn't have a set > price, but I'm guessing between four and five > hundred for a set. You'd then have to have them > laced up. They'll come with bushings for the normal > straight axle gear. > > If anyone is interested, l'll compile a list and > when mine are done I'll get you pictures and specs > and if you like them you guys can work deals out > with him. > > Douwe > douweblumberg@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:45 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: you remember, Chuck ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Last year in 2003 when I approached Brodhead I had a huge tailwind and was making over 100 mph on the GPS from Chicago northward.........but after circling Brodhead Airport I was pretty pissed to see they had the NE-SW runway X'ed out. I never have landed in that kind of crosswind in my life but thanks be to God it turned out okay with a last second plunk and shove the aileron all the way over. What a picnic that was. Hand me a beer, will you ? Mike C. PS-- in retrospect I should have just landed on the X-ed out runway as NOBODY was taxiing or flying for good reason !!! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:14 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee tightness & war stories --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Group-- I've mentioned before that when my bungees were too loose I had a helluva time taking off at the Waco fly-in one year because even tho I had full left stick in on takeoff the "authority" there was not 'connecting' with the gear. The wind basically overpowered the bungees and I could not 'dig' my wing into the wind. That was really disconcerting. Perhaps that is the story you were thinking of Chuck ? I went home and re-wrapped them tighter. Another thing I've had happen is that I get one wrapped tighter than the tother and then she rides funny. I don't have any real gap in my bungees when the plane is empty but with full fuel and a passenger I'm off the ash blocks by about an inch and somewhere, somehwere I read that Pietenpol said "that's about right". Dunno. Depends on how soft or hard a ride you like. Either way-- I love that landing gear 100%. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:22 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=PmIixHhxAQPV0KU0r7rIm8omrjRP6fCFuaG5EyXMI43/MBJm8Q5hhNaMj54ilkyJCJXuHzdqykoJsJVrWeBb76JCaiWQjynzKNN6TgYIkt5+6wi3OpT6Jl8eLx+Hhb7dfrb9kp2H3oAIiP3v/6meW6OUsa4zrsAtdNB75D4LZtA= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: you remember, Chuck ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson You bet Michael, choice of "runway" is pilot's discretion whenever there are potential hazards, ie. strong winds and tail-draggers. I have landed in some pretty strange places on airports because of that reason. Old biplanes just hate cross-winds and hard surface runways almost never seem to face into the wind. Doc --- Michael D Cuy wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > Last year in 2003 when I approached Brodhead I had a > huge tailwind and was > making > over 100 mph on the GPS from Chicago > northward.........but after circling > Brodhead Airport > I was pretty pissed to see they had the NE-SW runway > X'ed out. I never > have landed in that kind > of crosswind in my life but thanks be to God it > turned out okay with a last > second plunk and shove the > aileron all the way over. What a picnic that was. > Hand me a beer, > will you ? > > Mike C. > > PS-- in retrospect I should have just landed on the > X-ed out runway as > NOBODY was taxiing or flying for > good reason !!! > > > > > > > > > Click on the > this > by the > Admin. > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:40 PM PST US From: "Stacy Clark" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: you remember, Chuck ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Stacy Clark" I used to work at San Carlos (SQL) in California. There was a 15 knot crosswind or more pretty much all year long. When the wind would finally go down the pipe everyone religiously blew their landings. Now, up here in the bush it's a different story altogether. Especially in the winter during snow removal..."pick a runway, any runway." Stacy There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that is to achieve it -- Stacy Clark