---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/20/04: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:01 AM - electric tachs and "A" engine guys (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 08:29 AM - Re: mag grounding (Rcaprd@aol.com) 3. 08:37 AM - Re: mag grounding (Richard Navratil) 4. 11:55 AM - Ted Brousseau (Isablcorky@aol.com) 5. 12:17 PM - [PLEASE READ] More What Listers Are Saying... (Matt Dralle) 6. 03:31 PM - Re: straight gear brake drums---a photo of some (Tom Stinemetze) 7. 05:26 PM - Re: Sheer strength for AN bolts? (Bert Conoly) 8. 07:17 PM - Re: flippy floppy super twisty ailerons (Richard Navratil) 9. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Sheer strength for AN bolts? (Clif Dawson) 10. 07:37 PM - Re: straight gear brake drums---a photo of some (alexms1@comcast.net) 11. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: Sheer strength for AN bolts? (Matt Lansford) 12. 09:05 PM - To those new to the list (Rcaprd@aol.com) 13. 11:41 PM - Re: straight gear brake drums---a photo of some (Galen Hutcheson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:22 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: electric tachs and "A" engine guys Larry Williams uses, and I am going to use an electric tach made by Westach, I think they're listed in aircraft spruce catalog. They make a tach that runs off the p lead of the mag and needs no other power source. There is just one tiny wire running up and poof! you're done. Do install a 16 amp in line fuse because theoretically if a short developed in the tach it could stop your mag. The guy that did my "A" engine is Ron Kelly in Texas. He's a model "A" guru who builds up engines for endurance racing etc. He's got a website, don't know the exact address but his business name is RK Designs which might be it, or just search. I opted for inserts over babbit and a counterbalanced crank and modern chevy pistons for extra strength. I know that Perkins does a beautiful job and is extremely knowlegable. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:55 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: mag grounding --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/19/04 8:04:14 PM Central Standard Time, douweblumberg@earthlink.net writes: << Everything I've read (Bingelas, etc) says that the mags should be grounded and they have a grounding screw, but I'm not sure why since the mag body is positively grounded to the engine already. Am I missing something? do I still need to ground them with a wire to some bolt? >> Yes, you still need to ground the mag to the engine block. Better safe, than sorry. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:30 AM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: mag grounding You will need to run a ground to the mag switch to make it work. Also, you will want to ground to bond to your VHF and it is recommended that you have a ground plate somewhere. My plane has an aluminum access plate on the underside behind the rear cockpit Fuel tank is also grounded. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: mag grounding Finally got my "A" engine from the engine guy and it is beautiful. Can't wait to get it mounted. Everything I've read (Bingelas, etc) says that the mags should be grounded and they have a grounding screw, but I'm not sure why since the mag body is positively grounded to the engine already. Am I missing something? do I still need to ground them with a wire to some bolt? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:36 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ted Brousseau Pieters, Last summer I was in a position to track the journey of Chuck G wandering around the U S. Today I have the same priviledge to report to the net on the ferrying journey of Ted in Naples. He notified the net of his proposed trip with friend Joel to fly to Winslow, Az and fly Joel's Piper Pacer to Ft Myers, Fl. They departed Winslow Wed. morn but only made Santa Rosa, N M Wed. Their story in Santa Rosa I'll leave for Ted to give you. Left S R and flew "on top" and finally came below in what they realized was the last hole. Thurs night was in Plano, Tx. Was late getting out of Addison Fri morn, weather, and landed about 1300 at Shreveport Regional where I met them and delivered them for a lunch with my bride Isabelle and me. After filling their tummies with Shrimp Gumbo and examining Repiet's progress it was back to Regional and flight continuation. Beautiful little Pacer. Took off about 1500, cloudy skies, est 2500 ceiling with good visibility. They made Hammond, La ( 40 E of Baton Rouge). Ted called this morning, it was raining HARD, Louisiana dew, but expected to hop East today and will push until dark. I'm sure they will make Ft Myers by Sunday dark. Thought some of you might be interested in Ted's journey. Corky, unofficial Louisiana Piet reporter DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:02 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: [PLEASE READ] More What Listers Are Saying... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, We are nearing the end of this year's List Fund Raiser and I wanted to share a few more of the really nice things members have been saying about what the Lists mean to them. 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He was the lead engineer during the construction phase of SpaceShipOne and then got to fly on the mother ship White Knight as flight engineer many times including the two of the X-Prize cash as well. He's only 28 - THAT'S NOT FAIR! Anyway, I decided that my kids shouldn't have all the fun so I took that event as a challenge to try a couple of fun things myself. After dreaming flying my whole live (he came by it honestly, he had to live with books, models, etc. etc., etc. during his childhood) I have decided to build an Air Camper in my workshop. It's going to be powered by a Corvair 110 HP engine which is already torn down and under way, and pulled by a hand-carved prop (been through Al Schubert's manual about three times and pretty close to getting started.) I have already collected manuals from William Wynne (The Corvair Authority), Al Schubert (the propeller guy), various GM manuals, catalogues from Aircraft Spruce and Sporty's, and plans from the Pietenpol family. Oh Yeah, somewhere in there I've got to get a pilot's license too. Think that's too much to bite off for a 54-year old "pleasantly plump" guy from McPherson? Maybe I should just change by e-mail moniker to McIdiot? Kudos to the webmaster for a great site for much-needed information. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:35 PM PST US From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sheer strength for AN bolts? AS&S lists the Tensil strength for AN bolts as 125,000 psi. Anybody know what the Sheer capacity is. Or if not, what is a typical ratio for bolts? Thanks ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:50 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flippy floppy super twisty ailerons Hi Dj When the covering is on, everything tightens up. When the ailerons are attached to the wing, there will be no twist. The wing will still have a bit of give. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: flippy floppy super twisty ailerons My ailerons are built and ready to cover. I was noticing how easy they are able to twist from end to end. I'm assuming that after covering and stitching that ease of twisting will go away. Not that there is a straight comparison between the two, but I know that my RC airplane wings always stiffened up after covering. Same deal with the wings... my wings are very "twisty" I know the lift struts will keep them in check but outboard of the struts they can twist fairly easily. am I correct in assuming that after these things are covered I won't be able to twist them like a piece of red licorice?? DJ _ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:20 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sheer strength for AN bolts? <001501c4cf69$1df02690$6701a8c0@computername> 2/3 X tensile or 83,333.3 psi , whichever comes first. :-) Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Bert Conoly To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sheer strength for AN bolts? AS&S lists the Tensil strength for AN bolts as 125,000 psi. Anybody know what the Sheer capacity is. Or if not, what is a typical ratio for bolts? Thanks ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:31 PM PST US From: alexms1@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: straight gear brake drums---a photo of some Tom, Welcome to the club. Once you get the "itch" to build, it never goes away. Only cure for the "itch" is to scratch it out in the work shop on a daily basis . I got the "itch" in 1973 and the Pietenpol is the third case so far. When it is done, who knows? Alex S. -------------- Original message -------------- HI folks. Im rather new to the site and still havent got it all figured out. For instance, when a message like the one I am replying to mentions heres a photo but there is no corresponding link how do you go about finding it? Dont want to bore you with long-winded introductions but looks like youre in for a short one anyway. I have a son (Matthew Stinemetze) who works for Burt Rutan out in Mojave, CA. He was the lead engineer during the construction phase of SpaceShipOne and then got to fly on the mother ship White Knight as flight engineer many times including the two X-Prize flights. Burt gave every employee of Scaled Composites a piece of the X-Prize cash as well. Hes only 28 THATS NOT FAIR! Anyway, I decided that my kids shouldnt have all the fun so I took that event as a challenge to try a couple of fun things myself. After dreaming flying my whole live (he came by it honestly, he had to live with books, models, etc. etc., etc. during his childhood) I have decided to build an Air Camper in my workshop. Its going to be powered by a Corvair 110 HP engine which is already torn down and under way, and pulled by a hand-carved prop (been through Al Schuberts manual about three times and pretty close to getting started.) I have already collected manuals from William Wynne (The Corvair Authority), Al Schubert (the propeller guy), various GM manuals, catalogues from Aircraft Spruce and Sportys, and plans from the Pietenpol family. Oh Yeah, somewhere in there Ive got to get a pilots license too. Think thats too much to bite off for a 54-year old pleasantly plump guy from McPherson? Maybe I should just change by e-mail moniker to McIdiot? Kudos to the webmaster for a great site for much-needed information. Tom, Welcome to the club. Once you get the "itch" to build, it never goes away. Only cure for the "itch" is to scratch it out in the work shop ona daily basis . I got the "itch" in 1973 and the Pietenpol is the third case so far. When it is done, who knows? Alex S. -------------- Original message -------------- HI folks. Im rather new to the site and still havent got it all figured out. For instance, when a message like the one I am replying to mentions heres a photo but there is no corresponding link how do you go about finding it? Dont want to bore you with long-winded introductions but looks like youre in for a short one anyway. I have a son (Matthew Stinemetze) who works for Burt Rutan out in Mojave, CA. He was the lead engineer during the construction phase of SpaceShipOne and then got to fly on the mother ship White Knight as flight engineer many times including the two X-Prize flights.&nbs p; Burt gave every employee of Scaled Composites a piece of the X-Prize cash as well. Hes only 28 THATS NOT FAIR! Anyway, I decided that my kids shouldnt have all the fun so I took that event as a challenge to try a couple of fun things myself. After dreaming flying my whole live (he came by it honestly, he had to live with books, models, etc. etc., etc. during his childhood) I have decided to build an Air Camper in my workshop. Its going to be powered by a Corvair 110 HP engine which is already torn down and under way, and pulled by a hand-carved prop (been through Al Schuberts manual about three times and pretty close to getting started.) I have already collected manuals from William Wynne (The Corvair Authority), Al Schubert (the propeller guy), various GM manuals, catalogues from Aircraft Spruce and Sportys , and plans from the Pietenpol family. Oh Yeah, somewhere in there Ive got to get a pilots license too. Think thats too much to bite off for a 54-year old pleasantly plump guy from McPherson? Maybe I should just change by e-mail moniker to McIdiot? Kudos to the webmaster for a great site for much-needed information. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:18 PM PST US From: "Matt Lansford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sheer strength for AN bolts? Hopefully, niether! :) Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sheer strength for AN bolts? 2/3 X tensile or 83,333.3 psi , whichever comes first. :-) Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Bert Conoly To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sheer strength for AN bolts? AS&S lists the Tensil strength for AN bolts as 125,000 psi. Anybody know what the Sheer capacity is. Or if not, what is a typical ratio for bolts? Thanks ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:48 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: To those new to the list --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/20/04 5:31:51 PM Central Standard Time, stinemetze@mpks.net writes: << Think that's too much to bite off for a 54-year old "pleasantly plump" guy from McPherson? >> Tom, If they can build a space ship, you can certainly build a Pietenpol, and get your pilots licensee. Sounds like you're already started. Congratulations on having a Son that is now immortalized in the History Books !! Is that McPherson Kansas ? Welcome to the Pietenpol List !! You will find it very informative, humorous at times, and get to know like minded individuals who have been infected with 'Aeronautica Basilica'. There are Builders and Flyers alike, quite a few who have been on this list for years, and you can draw on their experience with a simple e-mail. If you wish to reply to a portion of a message, just click / drag / highlight on the original text, then click 'Reply'. The text goes on the mail that you will send, then you can make your reply...like I did on your text at the top of this message. It is very helpful if you type in the 'Subject', because all this correspondence is archived, and it makes it easier to look up a subject while searching the archives. A photo is only going to be there if the sender attaches one. However, please keep in mind that if you attach a photo to the e-mail, a lot of us have a dial up connection, and photo's take a long time to download. This is the reason Matt Dralle (webmaster) has made a site for you to send photo's to, so you can send photo's to Matronics Photo Share. Chuck Gantzer Wichita KS Cook Airfield (on the Southeast side of town) NX770CG ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:02 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=B2L1YBKMLlNMIg1csp9m8fdUjW3CFEbB4psjePorEc4/SOsnPXekOi60dStuwKqy0ZydfkipQhAh0/4i6/3yukuYTSnf/iLTh8syBg1TRrKL5jZNn1owZ4Ue3AdSmQYJm+ws8gW1TyJojhEnzGQNSzqZrt65V0H/hxw70m73UUg= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: straight gear brake drums---a photo of some --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Welcome to the newsgroup Tom, Fifty-four certainly isn't to old to start a project. I'm 56 and this is my first project too. I love it and you will too. You will find this site very helpful so stay tuned in. The sooner you get started on your project the better. Then do some work on it everyday and before you know it, the thing starts looking like an airplane! So get started and have some fun. If you want some building pics, just let me know and I will email you some. Doc > __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com