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1. 12:31 AM - Re: cables (Mike Luther)
2. 02:35 AM - List Contributors Lagging By 38%... (Matt Dralle)
3. 07:07 AM - Re: Douwe's construction photos NX799DB (john s)
4. 08:26 AM - Ping Pong Balls (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 11:50 AM - Re: Ping Pong Balls (Rcaprd@aol.com)
6. 11:58 AM - Varnishing Alternatives (Prange Larry J PSNS)
7. 12:09 PM - Re: Varnishing Alternatives (Michael D Cuy)
8. 12:20 PM - dain't cheap----- Ping Pong Balls (Michael D Cuy)
9. 04:32 PM - Re: Varnishing Alternatives (Mike Luther)
10. 06:30 PM - Buoyancy (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 06:36 PM - Re: Buoyancy (Jim Markle)
12. 06:55 PM - Re: Buoyancy (DJ Vegh)
13. 06:57 PM - Re: Buoyancy (DJ Vegh)
14. 07:18 PM - Re: Buoyancy (Isablcorky@aol.com)
15. 07:29 PM - [ Douwe Blumberg ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
16. 10:28 PM - Re: Buoyancy (Clif Dawson)
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Hi Jeff;
I just finished reading ac43131b concerning cables and the NTSB reports
for the Fly Baby and a web site concerning the Fly Baby's wing failure
concerns.
No, I am not going to replace my Piet's stainless steel cables with
galvanized cables. If a fellow wants to save a few dollars and use
galvanized, ok, but I do not buy into this particular safety- issue
discussion at all.
Mike Luther
Jeff Hill wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill"
> Well I'll try this again. This is for you tech guys. Is there a long
> term fatigue problem with stainless cables? I know of a flybaby that
> crashed when a flying wire - stainless steel - broke due to fatigue
> after a few years. So much for inspections and pre-flt checks. Is it
> better to use galvanized for cables exposed to the slipstream?
>
> Jeff in sunny Texas
> Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | List Contributors Lagging By 38%... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this
year is currently lagging behind last year by approximately 38%! I'm
hoping that everyone is just waiting until the last minute to show their
support... ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe's construction photos NX799DB |
Jim and Cliff: Thanks for the instruction. I'm really enjoying the photos.
John S.
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's construction photos NX799DB
Try this and scroll down as the photo links don't appear until
you do so. This page lists all the photos posted from
Oct 1999 ( That was in the last century!). Douwe's pics
haven't appeared so far though.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/
Remember, when you sit down to that turkey, that you are, or
plan to be, flying a Pietenpol. :-) :-) :-)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's construction photos NX799DB
How I can view photos posted on this site? When I click on the links I've
been able to find, the info only describes how to submit photos.
Thanks, and Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
John S
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Do Not Archive
Would anyone on this list know of a source for purchasing a LARGE quantity of
Ping Pong balls?
Corky, giving Thanks for the good life along the bayou
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| Subject: | Re: Ping Pong Balls |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 11/26/04 10:26:53 AM Central Standard Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
<< Do Not Archive
Would anyone on this list know of a source for purchasing a LARGE quantity
of
Ping Pong balls? >>
Corky,
I just typed in Ping Pong Balls in the aol search engine and several
possible sources came up.
Dare I ask what these are for ? Wasn't it Fisherman who came up with
the idea of filling the wing with ping pong balls, for a flight over the ocean,
to Belize ? Idea: safety precaution in the event of ditching in the ocean.
Aw, well...if you're going, I'm going...order a few crates for me, too !! :)
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Varnishing Alternatives |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J PSNS <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
Hi Gang!
Years ago, Mike Cuy started a thread by saying that he had done an end run
around the high cost of using two-part varnishes by applying Minwax Helmsman
urethane varnish to his structure. Mike then applied a light coat of Dupont
222S sanding sealer over that and waited two months for the stuff to cure
before covering. He said that the combination of products and the cure time
provided resistance to the MEK used in the covering materials. Great! Save
a zillion dollars! I'm for that! Later in the same thread someone asked
Mike if the Dupont 222S step was necessary. He said that he didn't know
because he hadn't tried it that way. So, therein lies my question. Has
anybody experimented with using Minwax Helmsman urethane varnish (or
similar) by itself and let it cure for months before covering? Did it
resist the MEK? What was your process? What's the current knowledge in
this subject?
Does anyone know if POR-15 Blackcote will resist MEK after it has had months
to cure?
Larry Prange - Getting ready to cover, in the rain, on the Olympic Peninsula
.. . .
NX1929A
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing Alternatives |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Larry--- Yes sir, the Dupont 222S sanding sealer I got at the auto paint
store worked well but I'm not sure
how it would have worked had I not used it or if I had not let it cure as
long. You may only have to wait
a few days or less, after spraying the 222S over the airframe. I think
the big factor is that I had let my wings
and fuse sit for a while before spraying with the sealer and then the MEK
didn't attack the varnish.
I do know that I rushed my center section in varnish AND in applying the
sanding sealer and whala, when I tried to
cover the MEK softened the varnish so I had to backup, let the center
section dry in the house a few days in a warm
bedroom (unused room) and then re-applied the sealer, let it sit for a day,
then the MEK didn't attack the varnish.
Hope this helps,
Mike C.
At 11:57 AM 11/26/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J PSNS
><prangel@psns.navy.mil>
>
>Hi Gang!
>
>Years ago, Mike Cuy started a thread by saying that he had done an end run
>around the high cost of using two-part varnishes by applying Minwax Helmsman
>urethane varnish to his structure. Mike then applied a light coat of Dupont
>222S sanding sealer over that and waited two months for the stuff to cure
>before covering. He said that the combination of products and the cure time
>provided resistance to the MEK used in the covering materials. Great! Save
>a zillion dollars! I'm for that! Later in the same thread someone asked
>Mike if the Dupont 222S step was necessary. He said that he didn't know
>because he hadn't tried it that way. So, therein lies my question. Has
>anybody experimented with using Minwax Helmsman urethane varnish (or
>similar) by itself and let it cure for months before covering? Did it
>resist the MEK? What was your process? What's the current knowledge in
>this subject?
>
>Does anyone know if POR-15 Blackcote will resist MEK after it has had months
>to cure?
>
>Larry Prange - Getting ready to cover, in the rain, on the Olympic Peninsula
>.. . .
>NX1929A
>
>
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| Subject: | dain't cheap----- Ping Pong Balls |
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Corky-- I found a few for you. My wings are full of them for long
overwater flights:)
Mike C.
Lion Bulk 144 practice balls 1d78a51.jpg1d78aca.jpg
Practice balls without logo printing. Box of 144 ping pong balls. White or
yellow. $28.99/Case1d78b1a.jpg
http://www.ballsonline.com/
or------
PING-PONG.COM 40mm box of 144 US$46.95
Price: US$46.95 CAN$56.34
Weight: 3.70
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing Alternatives |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net>
Larry:
How about this for an idea: Urethane varnish all of the wooden surfaces that don't
touch the covering and then brush on the two part Epoxy varnish to the surfaces
that
touch the covering. Then you will be ready to cover in one week assuming you have
maintained the proper temperature and humidity ( according to the Poly-Fiber
manual.) That was the best compromise that I could come up with that saved some
money, time and worry about the covering process.
Mike Luther covering in Anchorage, Alaska
NX1933M
Prange Larry J PSNS wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J PSNS <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
>
> Hi Gang!
>
> Years ago, Mike Cuy started a thread by saying that he had done an end run
> around the high cost of using two-part varnishes by applying Minwax Helmsman
> urethane varnish to his structure. Mike then applied a light coat of Dupont
> 222S sanding sealer over that and waited two months for the stuff to cure
> before covering. He said that the combination of products and the cure time
> provided resistance to the MEK used in the covering materials. Great! Save
> a zillion dollars! I'm for that! Later in the same thread someone asked
> Mike if the Dupont 222S step was necessary. He said that he didn't know
> because he hadn't tried it that way. So, therein lies my question. Has
> anybody experimented with using Minwax Helmsman urethane varnish (or
> similar) by itself and let it cure for months before covering? Did it
> resist the MEK? What was your process? What's the current knowledge in
> this subject?
>
> Does anyone know if POR-15 Blackcote will resist MEK after it has had months
> to cure?
>
> Larry Prange - Getting ready to cover, in the rain, on the Olympic Peninsula
> .. . .
> NX1929A
>
>
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Pieters,
I can't find the buoyance table to determine how much weight can be supported
in salt water with one (1) 1 gal plactic milk container. Would anyone in the
know please send me that figure.
Corky, on the bayou
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How much rain have you been getting?????
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 8:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buoyancy
Pieters,
I can't find the buoyance table to determine how much weight can be supported
in salt water with one (1) 1 gal plactic milk container. Would anyone in the
know please send me that figure.
Corky, on the bayou
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well it depends on the salt concentration. You need the specific gravity of salt
water... about 1.03
now you need to know the weight of a gallon of water - 8.35lbs. so multiply the
weight of 1 gal of water by the specific gravity of saltwater to get how much
weight can be supported by a gallon jug in salt water
roughly 8.6lb
this will only make an 8.6lb weight neutrally buoyant. You'd need more volume
of air in the bouy (the milk jug) to make something rise and/or stay on top of
the surface of the water.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buoyancy
Pieters,
I can't find the buoyance table to determine how much weight can be supported
in salt water with one (1) 1 gal plactic milk container. Would anyone in the
know please send me that figure.
Corky, on the bayou
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another point of interest is that 82 one gallon milk jugs filled with air will
keep a typical empty weight Piet from sinking
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buoyancy
Pieters,
I can't find the buoyance table to determine how much weight can be supported
in salt water with one (1) 1 gal plactic milk container. Would anyone in the
know please send me that figure.
Corky, on the bayou
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Thanks DJ and Jim. Now I can proceed with my planning
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| Subject: | [ Douwe Blumberg ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Lists: Pietenpol-List
Subject: Construction Photos of NX799DB
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/douweblumberg@earthlink.net.11.26.2004/index.html
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<004d01c4d42c$bf087ab0$0100a8c0@Desktop>
That's a lot of jugs! How much do the girls weigh?
Clif
PS. How long can they tread water?
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Buoyancy
another point of interest is that 82 one gallon milk jugs filled with air will
keep a typical empty weight Piet from sinking
DJ
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