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1. 07:54 AM - Re: GN-1 flight characteristics (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
2. 08:35 AM - Re: Help Isabelle (Richard Navratil)
3. 08:50 AM - Re: Help Isabelle (Michael D Cuy)
4. 05:50 PM - Rear fuselage (TBYH@aol.com)
5. 06:46 PM - Engine parts for sale (Doc Mosher)
6. 07:19 PM - Re: GN-1 flight characteristics (Rcaprd@aol.com)
7. 07:28 PM - Re: Help Isabelle (Rcaprd@aol.com)
8. 08:27 PM - Re: GN-1 flight characteristics (Richard Navratil)
9. 09:45 PM - Re: GN-1 flight characteristics (Steve Ruse)
10. 11:44 PM - Re: Rear fuselage (Galen Hutcheson)
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 flight characteristics |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
I haven't flown an L2, but I have flown many small taildraggers and have many hours
flying the Taylorcraft airfoil. It is a "floater" and very forgiving at
low speed where the Pietenpol is not. Also the taylorcraft has very low drag
in comparison to the Piet or GN-1. You'll need to respect the GN-1 at low power
and/or speed where the Tcraft has docile characteristics. The the stall behavior
of a Piet or GN-1 is varied from one airplane to another because of variations
in building, rigging, and weight and balance. Also, the minimum control
speed can vary due to these things. I am not trying to scare you off, because
the Piet or GN-1 is not an unsafe airplane design. I am merely trying to point
out that the design is quite different than the taylorcraft. So... in summary...I
always say....for a Piet or GN-1....
Whatever you do, lower the nose.
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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Subject: | Re: Help Isabelle |
I picked up an I Com A-23 at Oshgosh last summer and I'm real happy with it. I
just looked it up in ACS and I didn't pay anywhere near the price thet have in
there of $299. It was more like $250 from Gulf Coast Avionics with all accesories
and the headset adaptor. I tried a couple of different headsets and I
don't know enough to offer help there.
Dick
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From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help Isabelle
Pieters,
Some of you older and more up to date aviators might be able to help Isabelle.
She wants to give her groom a handheld and ear phones for Christmas, a secret,
but doesn't know who to ask about the type, model and specifications/prices
which would be best for a 3/4 deaf Piet pilot. Her groom doesn't know much more
than his bride on the subject. If any of you have gone through this of late
please send Isabelle a little e mail with info so she can surprise her groom
on Christmas day. Otherwise he'll get his usual socks and tie.Thanks in advance
Corky in snowless La. ( That's Loosianna, NOT Los Angeles)
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Subject: | Re: Help Isabelle |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Isabelle---the best prices on handhelds and headsets is here:
http://www.marvgolden.com/transeivers/icom-main.htm
Mike C.
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I can't quite make out what's going on on the plans with the rear "tail
plug." I assume there is a solid piece of wood, vee shaped, that fits between the
lower longerons, from the very tail up to the side struts, or up to the first
bottom cross brace, which my plans say is to be 3 inches ahead of the side
struts. Can someone make this a little more clear for me...
I was having trouble figuring out how much to plane the tailposts to get the
right angle for joining them. Had an engineer figure it out trigonometrically
(about 5 degrees) but then he said, "Why don't you just do what the ancient
Incas and Egyptians did when they had to get those big stones to match up
perfectly in their pyramids?" Well, I'm a sucker for any method that's really
simple.
Basically, I just put a big spring clamp on the rear fuselage to hold the
tailposts together -- the front fuselage sides had already been joined at the
firewall and seat back bulkheads. Then, I fastened 100-grit sandpaper to both
sides of a two foot long by about 4-inch wide strip of 1/4-inch plywood. I slid
the "sandpaper tool" between the tailposts and using a sawing motion, staying
lined up with the centerline of the fuselage, gradually sanded just the right
angle into the tailposts -- and of course, they match perfectly. Great
exercise, too!
I imagine the "pros" on the list already know about this method, but thought
I'd share it. Will send some pics when I get the film developed...
Anyway, she's starting to look like an airplane fuselage...many thanks for
past advice -- and no doubt, future advice!
Fred B.
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Subject: | Engine parts for sale |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
The latest Dragonfly Builders and Flyers Newsletter (letempt@fidnet.com)
has this item listed for sale. It may be of interest to Piet people:
For Sale: Complete Corvair engine kit. All of William Wynn's parts, 10/10
crankshaft w/safety shaft and studs, assembly manual, Aero carb, Heads
rebuilt, dual ignition distributor built by William Wynn w/box enclosure
and coils, points, resistors, wires, etc. Also complete engine mount for
the Dragon fly built by William Wynn. All parts cleaned and ready to put
together. Assembly tapes I,II, etc. Sold dragonfly. Have $3500 invested.
Will sell for $3,000 OBO plus S&K. contact Fish Fischer@ 505-861-7034 or
fishhole@pacifier.com.
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 flight characteristics |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 12/6/04 9:50:05 PM Central Standard Time,
nfn00979@naples.net writes:
<< Landing is another story. >>
We had a very good series of discussions of the landing phase of flying the
Pietenpol about a year ago. I think Walt Evans started it out. It's really
quite a good challenge to make good landings consistantly. The high drag of the
Pietenpol airfoil at high angles of attack tend to slow it down quickly,
therefore to make consistant three point, full stall landings, you have to be but
inches above the ground as you go through the flair. You could carry a little
power through the flair, but then you land longer than if you don't. I like
to pick out a target (I've even used a bag of flour to mark a spot) and see
just how short I can land, and get 'er stopped (without applying brakes). It
makes my whole day, when I can get a nice gentle touchdown, and short roll out
!!
Check out the archives.
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Re: Help Isabelle |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 12/7/04 10:36:23 AM Central Standard Time,
horzpool@goldengate.net writes:
<< I picked up an I Com A-23 >>
I have an I Com A-5 (Com only), and I think it is just about the best radio
on the market.
Hey, while we're on this subject, has anyone ever found a headset /
leather helmet incorporated together, like the W W 2 helmets ? Maybe even with
ANR (Active Noise Reduction). It would be a perfect Pietenpol accessory.
After a few hours of wearing the headset, and cloth helmet with the cutouts, my
ears become
very uncomfortable.
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 flight characteristics |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Chuck
The best part of that discussion a year ago was your second by second
account of the landing. I printed it out and read it a few times before my
first flight.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 flight characteristics
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/6/04 9:50:05 PM Central Standard Time,
> nfn00979@naples.net writes:
>
> << Landing is another story. >>
>
> We had a very good series of discussions of the landing phase of flying
> the
> Pietenpol about a year ago. I think Walt Evans started it out. It's
> really
> quite a good challenge to make good landings consistantly. The high drag
> of the
> Pietenpol airfoil at high angles of attack tend to slow it down quickly,
> therefore to make consistant three point, full stall landings, you have to
> be but
> inches above the ground as you go through the flair. You could carry a
> little
> power through the flair, but then you land longer than if you don't. I
> like
> to pick out a target (I've even used a bag of flour to mark a spot) and
> see
> just how short I can land, and get 'er stopped (without applying brakes).
> It
> makes my whole day, when I can get a nice gentle touchdown, and short roll
> out
> !!
> Check out the archives.
>
> Chuck G.
>
>
>
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Subject: | GN-1 flight characteristics |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Thanks for the tips everyone, I've been checking the archives, there is some
great information in there. Basically it sounds like Pietenpols are pretty
docile, but they tend to stall abruptly, which is aggravated by the fact
that they have a high amount of drag which causes them to slow down quickly.
One question I didn't see answered though: How much of a difference does the
GN-1 airfoil make in the stall characteristic? Obviously you still are going
to slow down fast, so I'm guessing it is still pretty abrupt. Does anyone
typically round out with just a hair of power to keep it from slowing down
so fast?
Thanks again for the tips!
Steve Ruse
Dallas, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Navratil
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 flight characteristics
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
Chuck
The best part of that discussion a year ago was your second by second
account of the landing. I printed it out and read it a few times before my
first flight.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 flight characteristics
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/6/04 9:50:05 PM Central Standard Time,
> nfn00979@naples.net writes:
>
> << Landing is another story. >>
>
> We had a very good series of discussions of the landing phase of flying
> the
> Pietenpol about a year ago. I think Walt Evans started it out. It's
> really
> quite a good challenge to make good landings consistantly. The high drag
> of the
> Pietenpol airfoil at high angles of attack tend to slow it down quickly,
> therefore to make consistant three point, full stall landings, you have to
> be but
> inches above the ground as you go through the flair. You could carry a
> little
> power through the flair, but then you land longer than if you don't. I
> like
> to pick out a target (I've even used a bag of flour to mark a spot) and
> see
> just how short I can land, and get 'er stopped (without applying brakes).
> It
> makes my whole day, when I can get a nice gentle touchdown, and short roll
> out
> !!
> Check out the archives.
>
> Chuck G.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rear fuselage |
Fred,
I glued in a pied of 3/4" ash which I gusseted both
sides (top and bottom) with 1/8" birch plywood. This
makes a very solid attachment for a tail wheel (skid).
I attached a photo of the instillation.
Doc
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