Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 12/07/04


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 07:54 AM - Re: GN-1 flight characteristics (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
     2. 08:35 AM - Re: Help Isabelle (Richard Navratil)
     3. 08:50 AM - Re: Help Isabelle (Michael D Cuy)
     4. 05:50 PM - Rear fuselage (TBYH@aol.com)
     5. 06:46 PM - Engine parts for sale (Doc Mosher)
     6. 07:19 PM - Re: GN-1 flight characteristics (Rcaprd@aol.com)
     7. 07:28 PM - Re: Help Isabelle (Rcaprd@aol.com)
     8. 08:27 PM - Re: GN-1 flight characteristics (Richard Navratil)
     9. 09:45 PM - Re: GN-1 flight characteristics (Steve Ruse)
    10. 11:44 PM - Re: Rear fuselage (Galen Hutcheson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:54:19 AM PST US
    From: BARNSTMR@aol.com
    Subject: Re: GN-1 flight characteristics
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com I haven't flown an L2, but I have flown many small taildraggers and have many hours flying the Taylorcraft airfoil. It is a "floater" and very forgiving at low speed where the Pietenpol is not. Also the taylorcraft has very low drag in comparison to the Piet or GN-1. You'll need to respect the GN-1 at low power and/or speed where the Tcraft has docile characteristics. The the stall behavior of a Piet or GN-1 is varied from one airplane to another because of variations in building, rigging, and weight and balance. Also, the minimum control speed can vary due to these things. I am not trying to scare you off, because the Piet or GN-1 is not an unsafe airplane design. I am merely trying to point out that the design is quite different than the taylorcraft. So... in summary...I always say....for a Piet or GN-1.... Whatever you do, lower the nose. -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805


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    Time: 08:35:53 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Help Isabelle
    I picked up an I Com A-23 at Oshgosh last summer and I'm real happy with it. I just looked it up in ACS and I didn't pay anywhere near the price thet have in there of $299. It was more like $250 from Gulf Coast Avionics with all accesories and the headset adaptor. I tried a couple of different headsets and I don't know enough to offer help there. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help Isabelle Pieters, Some of you older and more up to date aviators might be able to help Isabelle. She wants to give her groom a handheld and ear phones for Christmas, a secret, but doesn't know who to ask about the type, model and specifications/prices which would be best for a 3/4 deaf Piet pilot. Her groom doesn't know much more than his bride on the subject. If any of you have gone through this of late please send Isabelle a little e mail with info so she can surprise her groom on Christmas day. Otherwise he'll get his usual socks and tie.Thanks in advance Corky in snowless La. ( That's Loosianna, NOT Los Angeles)


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    Time: 08:50:36 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: Re: Help Isabelle
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Isabelle---the best prices on handhelds and headsets is here: http://www.marvgolden.com/transeivers/icom-main.htm Mike C.


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    Time: 05:50:05 PM PST US
    From: TBYH@aol.com
    Subject: Rear fuselage
    I can't quite make out what's going on on the plans with the rear "tail plug." I assume there is a solid piece of wood, vee shaped, that fits between the lower longerons, from the very tail up to the side struts, or up to the first bottom cross brace, which my plans say is to be 3 inches ahead of the side struts. Can someone make this a little more clear for me... I was having trouble figuring out how much to plane the tailposts to get the right angle for joining them. Had an engineer figure it out trigonometrically (about 5 degrees) but then he said, "Why don't you just do what the ancient Incas and Egyptians did when they had to get those big stones to match up perfectly in their pyramids?" Well, I'm a sucker for any method that's really simple. Basically, I just put a big spring clamp on the rear fuselage to hold the tailposts together -- the front fuselage sides had already been joined at the firewall and seat back bulkheads. Then, I fastened 100-grit sandpaper to both sides of a two foot long by about 4-inch wide strip of 1/4-inch plywood. I slid the "sandpaper tool" between the tailposts and using a sawing motion, staying lined up with the centerline of the fuselage, gradually sanded just the right angle into the tailposts -- and of course, they match perfectly. Great exercise, too! I imagine the "pros" on the list already know about this method, but thought I'd share it. Will send some pics when I get the film developed... Anyway, she's starting to look like an airplane fuselage...many thanks for past advice -- and no doubt, future advice! Fred B.


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    Time: 06:46:35 PM PST US
    From: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
    Subject: Engine parts for sale
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net> The latest Dragonfly Builders and Flyers Newsletter (letempt@fidnet.com) has this item listed for sale. It may be of interest to Piet people: For Sale: Complete Corvair engine kit. All of William Wynn's parts, 10/10 crankshaft w/safety shaft and studs, assembly manual, Aero carb, Heads rebuilt, dual ignition distributor built by William Wynn w/box enclosure and coils, points, resistors, wires, etc. Also complete engine mount for the Dragon fly built by William Wynn. All parts cleaned and ready to put together. Assembly tapes I,II, etc. Sold dragonfly. Have $3500 invested. Will sell for $3,000 OBO plus S&K. contact Fish Fischer@ 505-861-7034 or fishhole@pacifier.com.


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    Time: 07:19:08 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: GN-1 flight characteristics
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 12/6/04 9:50:05 PM Central Standard Time, nfn00979@naples.net writes: << Landing is another story. >> We had a very good series of discussions of the landing phase of flying the Pietenpol about a year ago. I think Walt Evans started it out. It's really quite a good challenge to make good landings consistantly. The high drag of the Pietenpol airfoil at high angles of attack tend to slow it down quickly, therefore to make consistant three point, full stall landings, you have to be but inches above the ground as you go through the flair. You could carry a little power through the flair, but then you land longer than if you don't. I like to pick out a target (I've even used a bag of flour to mark a spot) and see just how short I can land, and get 'er stopped (without applying brakes). It makes my whole day, when I can get a nice gentle touchdown, and short roll out !! Check out the archives. Chuck G.


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    Time: 07:28:01 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Help Isabelle
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 12/7/04 10:36:23 AM Central Standard Time, horzpool@goldengate.net writes: << I picked up an I Com A-23 >> I have an I Com A-5 (Com only), and I think it is just about the best radio on the market. Hey, while we're on this subject, has anyone ever found a headset / leather helmet incorporated together, like the W W 2 helmets ? Maybe even with ANR (Active Noise Reduction). It would be a perfect Pietenpol accessory. After a few hours of wearing the headset, and cloth helmet with the cutouts, my ears become very uncomfortable. Chuck G.


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    Time: 08:27:24 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: GN-1 flight characteristics
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> Chuck The best part of that discussion a year ago was your second by second account of the landing. I printed it out and read it a few times before my first flight. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rcaprd@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 flight characteristics > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/6/04 9:50:05 PM Central Standard Time, > nfn00979@naples.net writes: > > << Landing is another story. >> > > We had a very good series of discussions of the landing phase of flying > the > Pietenpol about a year ago. I think Walt Evans started it out. It's > really > quite a good challenge to make good landings consistantly. The high drag > of the > Pietenpol airfoil at high angles of attack tend to slow it down quickly, > therefore to make consistant three point, full stall landings, you have to > be but > inches above the ground as you go through the flair. You could carry a > little > power through the flair, but then you land longer than if you don't. I > like > to pick out a target (I've even used a bag of flour to mark a spot) and > see > just how short I can land, and get 'er stopped (without applying brakes). > It > makes my whole day, when I can get a nice gentle touchdown, and short roll > out > !! > Check out the archives. > > Chuck G. > > >


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    Time: 09:45:02 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: GN-1 flight characteristics
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com> Thanks for the tips everyone, I've been checking the archives, there is some great information in there. Basically it sounds like Pietenpols are pretty docile, but they tend to stall abruptly, which is aggravated by the fact that they have a high amount of drag which causes them to slow down quickly. One question I didn't see answered though: How much of a difference does the GN-1 airfoil make in the stall characteristic? Obviously you still are going to slow down fast, so I'm guessing it is still pretty abrupt. Does anyone typically round out with just a hair of power to keep it from slowing down so fast? Thanks again for the tips! Steve Ruse Dallas, TX -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Navratil Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 flight characteristics --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> Chuck The best part of that discussion a year ago was your second by second account of the landing. I printed it out and read it a few times before my first flight. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rcaprd@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 flight characteristics > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/6/04 9:50:05 PM Central Standard Time, > nfn00979@naples.net writes: > > << Landing is another story. >> > > We had a very good series of discussions of the landing phase of flying > the > Pietenpol about a year ago. I think Walt Evans started it out. It's > really > quite a good challenge to make good landings consistantly. The high drag > of the > Pietenpol airfoil at high angles of attack tend to slow it down quickly, > therefore to make consistant three point, full stall landings, you have to > be but > inches above the ground as you go through the flair. You could carry a > little > power through the flair, but then you land longer than if you don't. I > like > to pick out a target (I've even used a bag of flour to mark a spot) and > see > just how short I can land, and get 'er stopped (without applying brakes). > It > makes my whole day, when I can get a nice gentle touchdown, and short roll > out > !! > Check out the archives. > > Chuck G. > > --- ---


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    Time: 11:44:21 PM PST US
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    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Rear fuselage
    Fred, I glued in a pied of 3/4" ash which I gusseted both sides (top and bottom) with 1/8" birch plywood. This makes a very solid attachment for a tail wheel (skid). I attached a photo of the instillation. Doc --- TBYH@aol.com wrote: > __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com




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