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1. 06:10 AM - Landing Gear (TBYH@aol.com)
2. 07:14 AM - Re: Landing Gear (Isablcorky@aol.com)
3. 04:03 PM - Air Camper project for sale (Doc Mosher)
4. 06:36 PM - Modern Ford Engines for the Pietenpol (Michael Fisher)
5. 07:17 PM - C90 or C85 prop size (Craig R.Lawler)
6. 11:32 PM - Re: Landing Gear (Clif Dawson)
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I've been reading the posts regarding landing gear and had a 2-cent thought
-- kind of like Loyd in "Dumb and Dumber": "Uh, wait a minute...uh, yup, I just
had an idea." : )
Is it possible to make the landing gear so bullet-proof that in a forced,
really "off-field" landing, the landing gear survives reasonably well but
transmits damage to the fuselage proper? Obviously it should be as strong as
possible, but I would think in some instances, I'd rather sacrifice the landing
gear
than the airframe and my bod. Then again, if you wipe out the gear, you'll
probably damage the fuselage, too... Was just thinking about it...
My plan of the day is to rip some white ash into 2-inch strips for the lower
fuselage cross braces...
Have a great day, everyone!
Fred B.
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
Good idea, Good thinking.
Corky
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Subject: | Air Camper project for sale |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
For sale: Pietenpol Air Camper project. Complete fuselage on split gear,
27" wheels, wing ribs, tail feather wood cut and shaped, spar material,
strut material, cabanes finished, Model a motor mount, good Model A block
and some core parts. Best quality work! $3400. E-pics avail. Contact
Mike Cushway at 920-648-3469 evenings or mike cushway@trekbikes. com.
As advertised in Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter. Mike lives in
Lake Mills, Wisconsin. I know nothing about the project, but it sounds
like a good start for someone.
Doc
Do not archive.
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Subject: | Modern Ford Engines for the Pietenpol |
2004)
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher <mfisher@gci.net>
Pieters,
Here is a minor update on alternative engines for the Pietenpol. The
following text was copied from an Email to a friend. The airplane referenced
is Mountain Piet.
This airplane could have been bought for about $9800.00 in damaged condition,
as pictured. It was well worth the price. The three-piece wing would
have enabled me to keep it in my shop.
I suggested to Kitty and Bob that it might be a good thing for their
two sons. Its home base was Salida, Colorado, about a two hour drive from their
home in Edwards. The way things played out, it was just as well that they were
occupied with other projects.
This would have been a great little airplane for Talkeetna, Alaska.
I could have handled all the repairs except for the fabric and would have asked
for your help on that.
The buider, John Dilatush, has found new owners who he believes will
restore his aircraft with full respect for the original craftsmanship and planning
that went into it. I wish them well.
Mountain Piet was much too nice to serve as a test-bed for an engine
even less proven than the Subaru i.e., my 116 cubic inch inverted Ford Escort,
especially over rough country.
Work continues on that project. I'm pretty close to spinning it up electrically
to check the oiling and coolant circulation systems.
When you come up to look at the press-brake, I have a bleed-off resistor
for your phase converter.
Go to the link below for a great slide show on a very interesting aircraft.
Happy landings,
Mike
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html
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Subject: | C90 or C85 prop size |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Craig R.Lawler" <clawler@ptd.net>
What prop are you guys using with a C-90 or C-85? I have a C-65 now and
am getting real serious about changing my engine. We have a 1,200ft
strip at home. One person is fine now. It would be nice to continue to
haul the neighbor kids around. The C-65 did fine till they got above
70lbs or so.
Craig
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
Like the oft repeated saying goes " Build it like Bernard did. It works.
It's proven." According to the man it has survived landings in plowed fields
ACROSS the ridges.
From the Flying and Glider Manual;
" I say don't go in for the steel tube landing gear. The plans as shown are
for a gear similiar to the old Jenny. Of course, you could clean it up some,
and you might possibly gain a few feet per mile bettered performance, but
inasmuch as the Jenny gear was the creme de la creme of roughneck
airplane bottoms, serving for fifteen years the needs of all crash landings of
cub pilots, it has proven itself times beyond count."
In that same article the plans specify streamlined spruce legs, 1" X 2 1/2"
and an ash bottom block, 1 1/4" X 1 3/4". The only reason for using ash
here is because the the axle is bashing into it constantly. Which brings up
another point. If possible have the ash grain vertical so the axle is riding on
the EDGE of the grain. Riding on the flat will cause faster and more significant
crushing and bruising of the wood fibres. Witness an ash baseball bat, at least
for those others that remember such a thing.
The prime reason for using wood quarter grain is because that limits warpage,
cupping and twisting. It is also somewhat more supple in that direction.
Looks nicer and is more easily carved as well. So dig out the ole' shaving
horse and drawknife and have at it as Bernard did. :-)
http://www.his.com/~tom/sca/horses.html
http://countryworkshops.org/CWshavehorse.html
http://memorialhall.mass.edu/activities/media.jsp?itemid7283&img0
http://www.redhillgeneralstore.com/A39059.htm
Clif, soon to be shaving legs, er, wood.
----- Original Message -----
From: TBYH@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear
I've been reading the posts regarding landing gear and had a 2-cent thought --
kind of like Loyd in "Dumb and Dumber": "Uh, wait a minute...uh, yup, I just
had an idea." : )
Is it possible to make the landing gear so bullet-proof that in a forced, really
"off-field" landing, the landing gear survives reasonably well but transmits
damage to the fuselage proper? Obviously it should be as strong as possible,
but I would think in some instances, I'd rather sacrifice the landing gear than
the airframe and my bod. Then again, if you wipe out the gear, you'll probably
damage the fuselage, too... Was just thinking about it...
My plan of the day is to rip some white ash into 2-inch strips for the lower
fuselage cross braces...
Have a great day, everyone!
Fred B.
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