---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/11/04: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:10 AM - Landing Gear (TBYH@aol.com) 2. 07:14 AM - Re: Landing Gear (Isablcorky@aol.com) 3. 04:03 PM - Air Camper project for sale (Doc Mosher) 4. 06:36 PM - Modern Ford Engines for the Pietenpol (Michael Fisher) 5. 07:17 PM - C90 or C85 prop size (Craig R.Lawler) 6. 11:32 PM - Re: Landing Gear (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:17 AM PST US From: TBYH@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear I've been reading the posts regarding landing gear and had a 2-cent thought -- kind of like Loyd in "Dumb and Dumber": "Uh, wait a minute...uh, yup, I just had an idea." : ) Is it possible to make the landing gear so bullet-proof that in a forced, really "off-field" landing, the landing gear survives reasonably well but transmits damage to the fuselage proper? Obviously it should be as strong as possible, but I would think in some instances, I'd rather sacrifice the landing gear than the airframe and my bod. Then again, if you wipe out the gear, you'll probably damage the fuselage, too... Was just thinking about it... My plan of the day is to rip some white ash into 2-inch strips for the lower fuselage cross braces... Have a great day, everyone! Fred B. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:23 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Good idea, Good thinking. Corky ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:08 PM PST US From: Doc Mosher Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper project for sale --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher For sale: Pietenpol Air Camper project. Complete fuselage on split gear, 27" wheels, wing ribs, tail feather wood cut and shaped, spar material, strut material, cabanes finished, Model a motor mount, good Model A block and some core parts. Best quality work! $3400. E-pics avail. Contact Mike Cushway at 920-648-3469 evenings or mike cushway@trekbikes. com. As advertised in Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter. Mike lives in Lake Mills, Wisconsin. I know nothing about the project, but it sounds like a good start for someone. Doc Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:13 PM PST US From: Michael Fisher Subject: Pietenpol-List: Modern Ford Engines for the Pietenpol 2004) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher Pieters, Here is a minor update on alternative engines for the Pietenpol. The following text was copied from an Email to a friend. The airplane referenced is Mountain Piet. This airplane could have been bought for about $9800.00 in damaged condition, as pictured. It was well worth the price. The three-piece wing would have enabled me to keep it in my shop. I suggested to Kitty and Bob that it might be a good thing for their two sons. Its home base was Salida, Colorado, about a two hour drive from their home in Edwards. The way things played out, it was just as well that they were occupied with other projects. This would have been a great little airplane for Talkeetna, Alaska. I could have handled all the repairs except for the fabric and would have asked for your help on that. The buider, John Dilatush, has found new owners who he believes will restore his aircraft with full respect for the original craftsmanship and planning that went into it. I wish them well. Mountain Piet was much too nice to serve as a test-bed for an engine even less proven than the Subaru i.e., my 116 cubic inch inverted Ford Escort, especially over rough country. Work continues on that project. I'm pretty close to spinning it up electrically to check the oiling and coolant circulation systems. When you come up to look at the press-brake, I have a bleed-off resistor for your phase converter. Go to the link below for a great slide show on a very interesting aircraft. Happy landings, Mike http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:54 PM PST US From: "Craig R.Lawler" Subject: Pietenpol-List: C90 or C85 prop size --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Craig R.Lawler" What prop are you guys using with a C-90 or C-85? I have a C-65 now and am getting real serious about changing my engine. We have a 1,200ft strip at home. One person is fine now. It would be nice to continue to haul the neighbor kids around. The C-65 did fine till they got above 70lbs or so. Craig ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:27 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Like the oft repeated saying goes " Build it like Bernard did. It works. It's proven." According to the man it has survived landings in plowed fields ACROSS the ridges. From the Flying and Glider Manual; " I say don't go in for the steel tube landing gear. The plans as shown are for a gear similiar to the old Jenny. Of course, you could clean it up some, and you might possibly gain a few feet per mile bettered performance, but inasmuch as the Jenny gear was the creme de la creme of roughneck airplane bottoms, serving for fifteen years the needs of all crash landings of cub pilots, it has proven itself times beyond count." In that same article the plans specify streamlined spruce legs, 1" X 2 1/2" and an ash bottom block, 1 1/4" X 1 3/4". The only reason for using ash here is because the the axle is bashing into it constantly. Which brings up another point. If possible have the ash grain vertical so the axle is riding on the EDGE of the grain. Riding on the flat will cause faster and more significant crushing and bruising of the wood fibres. Witness an ash baseball bat, at least for those others that remember such a thing. The prime reason for using wood quarter grain is because that limits warpage, cupping and twisting. It is also somewhat more supple in that direction. Looks nicer and is more easily carved as well. So dig out the ole' shaving horse and drawknife and have at it as Bernard did. :-) http://www.his.com/~tom/sca/horses.html http://countryworkshops.org/CWshavehorse.html http://memorialhall.mass.edu/activities/media.jsp?itemid7283&img0 http://www.redhillgeneralstore.com/A39059.htm Clif, soon to be shaving legs, er, wood. ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear I've been reading the posts regarding landing gear and had a 2-cent thought -- kind of like Loyd in "Dumb and Dumber": "Uh, wait a minute...uh, yup, I just had an idea." : ) Is it possible to make the landing gear so bullet-proof that in a forced, really "off-field" landing, the landing gear survives reasonably well but transmits damage to the fuselage proper? Obviously it should be as strong as possible, but I would think in some instances, I'd rather sacrifice the landing gear than the airframe and my bod. Then again, if you wipe out the gear, you'll probably damage the fuselage, too... Was just thinking about it... My plan of the day is to rip some white ash into 2-inch strips for the lower fuselage cross braces... Have a great day, everyone! Fred B.