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Wed 12/15/04


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 06:24 AM - Portable GPS opinion needed (Garmin?) (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
     2. 07:10 AM - Re: Portable GPS opinion needed (Garmin?) (Phillips, Jack)
     3. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Landing gear (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
     4. 12:50 PM - Piet Project for sale (Ian Holland)
     5. 03:14 PM - landing gear (Richard Navratil)
     6. 04:46 PM - Re: landing gear (Galen Hutcheson)
     7. 07:24 PM - registration requirements (Ralph)
     8. 08:15 PM - Re: registration requirements (Michael McCarty)
     9. 10:57 PM - Johnson Airspeed Indicator (Steve Ruse)
    10. 11:37 PM - Re: Johnson Airspeed Indicator (Galen Hutcheson)
    11. 11:46 PM - Re: registration requirements (Galen Hutcheson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:24:03 AM PST US
    From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
    Subject: Portable GPS opinion needed (Garmin?)
    I'm selling my faithful and trusted Trimble Flightmate GPS on Ebay and as I scan the auctions for a Garmin 196 that I'm thinking of bidding on, I'm tempted by this unit. I tried looking up owner-opinions on the 196 at www.epinions.com, but there are none. Does anyone have any experience with the 196 and if so, how do you like it? http://www.airnav.com/airport/5TA6#notes


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    Time: 07:10:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Portable GPS opinion needed (Garmin?)
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
    I have a GPSMap 196 that I love. I would never go on a XC without it. I bought it at SNF 1-1/2 years ago and have never regretted it. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: N321TX@wmconnect.com [mailto:N321TX@wmconnect.com] I'm selling my faithful and trusted Trimble Flightmate GPS on Ebay and as I scan the auctions for a Garmin 196 that I'm thinking of bidding on, I'm tempted by this unit. I tried looking up owner-opinions on the 196 at www.epinions.com, but there are none. Does anyone have any experience with the 196 and if so, how do you like it? http://www.airnav.com/airport/5TA6#notes


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    Time: 11:35:55 AM PST US
    From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: Landing gear
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net> After spending the better part of the last 3 weeks here in sunny Fl rebuilding the 4130 (cub-like) landing gear on the wrecked Piete I bought last summer, I have to agree with the experimentation part. Heck, there's probably a dozen good ways to build this gear faster and stronger than the original plans. So at the risk of being shunned by Piete purest, I'd like to suggest the following to any new builders: take a good look at the way the Vari or Longeze gears are built and attached. These fiberglass gears can easily stand 4 Gs on a 1000 lb airplane. They would not have to be as heavy for a Piete. Would be easy to build over a 4'x8' plywood "mold" with unidirectional s-glass fibers and epoxy. They could be attached by building bolt ear tabs on the bottom of the longerons, attach via a 5/8" 4130 tube glassed into the top of the gear and attached to the plane with 1/2" bolt thru the tube and bolt ears. For the purest- you could paint the epoxy/glass spring gear with simulated wood paint. You could buy a complete gear from Featherlite in CA for about $600. or build one for about $200 not counting the wheels. Gordon Bowen Original Message: ----------------- From: Galen Hutcheson wacopitts@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> In all due respect, to some people (to me especially), sticking to the plans is rather boring and lacluster. I for one, enjoy experimentation and discovery. If this gentleman wants to build a certain type of landing gear, I applaude him. My Waco KNF had an outrigger landing gear (the type he wants to build) and it did look great, not to mention the fact that it functioned very well on rough terrain. much better. I might add, than the more common landing gears. I don't think there is any hurdle he can't cross if he wishes to take on the challenge. This is all in the sprit of experimentation and one reason we all proudly afix the placard on our planes that says "EXPERIMENTAL." So Don, full steam ahead and if I can be of any help, just ask. Doc --- Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> wrote: > I just got curious and went over to see the Glider > Manuales.... It could be a good option, > The Scout (construction) is very similar to the > Aircamper, Just need to do your homework in > modifying the structural area in the front part of > the fuselage where the gears and the struts will > join... maybe a lots of work, > Remeber that even a little modification from the > plans will add at least 100 hours (sometimes more) > to any project. > On the other side, the looks of that landing gear > will be beautiful... As will be the wooden landing > gear. Split is more common but a good and proven > option. > > Just check also the position of the wheels in > relation of the Center of Gravity, to be sure that > the legs ar as straight as possible to prevent > lateral (or front/back) forces not spected in the > original design of the fuselage... > > Try it in paper first, if not satisfied or > convinced, just make a paper ball and practice with > the trash can... Search for similar LG in other > airplanes (Curtis Robin, etc) to compare your > drawings. Have Fun But be Safe. > > > Saludos > Gary Gower. > > > Richard Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote: > I say it only with respect. Why re-invent 2 great > gear options? Stick to the plans. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ADonJr@aol.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:06 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear > > > Hello Group, > I addressed this subject with the group a while > ago, but got no response...I'd like to use the > landing gear configuration used on the Sky Scout on > my Aircamper. I've done some preliminary design for > adapting the fittings and it looks feasable. Has > anyone had any experience with this? It looks like > the forward cabane fitting can be combined with the > upper shock strut fitting without modifying the > fuselage truss. Am I missing something here? > Don Cooley > > > --------------------------------- > search. Learn more.


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    Time: 12:50:17 PM PST US
    From: "Ian Holland" <ian_holl@telus.net>
    Subject: Piet Project for sale
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ian Holland" <ian_holl@telus.net> If any of you are contemplating starting a Pietenpol Project, I have one almost completed. It is on the wheels with a Corvair engine attached. All material is aircraft grade. The engine has been rebuilt following the William Wynne manual, but has not yet been run. After 10 years of building, I find that I can not complete it. It needs a little work before the precover inspection. There is approximately $12k invested in material alone. I am open to offers (reasonable ones) as it must be sold. All logs etc included. Pictures available if anyone is interested. A tough decision, and one not taken lightly. Best regards, -=Ian=- do not archive


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    Time: 03:14:09 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: landing gear
    Hey all I didn't post the suggestion from a "purist" point of view. I am the last one to be on that side of things. When my new Spuer Piet rolls out next year, it will be radically different than any out there. However, I am looking at it from the point of view of the pile of left over parts that didn't work out from my experimenting last time. I spent too many extra hours to count, trying to change things and lots of money too. Practically, stick to the plans. It's only an opinion. The only thing I disagree with is that "the plans are boring." I have always said that BHP continued to try new things and improve on the design. But I firmly belive that you should fly it first then work on changes. Dick N.


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    Time: 04:46:56 PM PST US
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    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: landing gear
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Well Dick, a lot of what you say is true, you do sometimes use up a lot of material in experimentation, but to me it is worth the fun of trying things that are new and things that fit what each of us want out of an airplane. I could never be a purist either. As a matter of fact, I am in the process of converting my Piet project into a 75% scale Curtis JN-4 Jenny. It will still have a Piet backbone and Piet airfoil, but the rest will be pure Jenny (almost, that is :). I certainly didn't mean to offend by my statement, I merely wanted to encourage that gentleman to build toward his desires. Had I wanted to build toward a plane that was accurately depicted from BHP's plans, I could have done so but then, I would have not been 100 percent happy with the result of that mountainous amount of labor each of us devote to our projects. To some, an accurately plans built Pietenpol is enough to scratch the itch of what is wanted from an airplane, but to others like myself, it is not. And sometimes the changes you want made can only be made during the building phase. By the time the plane is flying, it is too late. For instance, my desire to have another biplane (and a very old looking biplane at that). My apology if I offended, that was not my intention. Happy holidays, Doc --- Richard Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote: > Hey all > I didn't post the suggestion from a "purist" point > of view. I am the last one to be on that side of > things. When my new Spuer Piet rolls out next year, > it will be radically different than any out there. > However, I am looking at it from the point of view > of the pile of left over parts that didn't work out > from my experimenting last time. I spent too many > extra hours to count, trying to change things and > lots of money too. > Practically, stick to the plans. > It's only an opinion. The only thing I disagree > with is that "the plans are boring." I have always > said that BHP continued to try new things and > improve on the design. But I firmly belive that you > should fly it first then work on changes. > Dick N. __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250


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    Time: 07:24:52 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
    Subject: registration requirements
    clamav-milter version 0.80j on elrond.itctel.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com> I have been working on my Piet for about ten plus years. I have enough parts done that my wife is starting to get worried that it actually looks like an airplane. My question arises from reading the stories relating to registering and getting the repairman certificates. What sort of materials are required for this activity. I have a few pictures taken along the way, but no actual log book of work completed. Also, is there a place I can find a list of the minimum required gauges to have in the cockpit. Thank you for your help. Carol and Ralph Raymond


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    Time: 08:15:49 PM PST US
    From: "Michael McCarty" <mmccarty@zianet.com>
    Subject: Re: registration requirements
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael McCarty" <mmccarty@zianet.com> The list of equipment required is covered in FAR 91.205. Try this link and then click on Current FAR By Part and then Part 91 http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet -Mac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com> > > I have been working on my Piet for about ten plus years. I have enough > parts done that my wife is starting to get worried that it actually looks > like an airplane. My question arises from reading the stories relating to > registering and getting the repairman certificates. What sort of materials > are required for this activity. I have a few pictures taken along the way, > but no actual log book of work completed. Also, is there a place I can find > a list of the minimum required gauges to have in the cockpit. Thank you for > your help. > > Carol and Ralph > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:57:17 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: Johnson Airspeed Indicator
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com> BlankI searched the archives and didn't come up with anything, so I thought I'd ask. Does anyone have any design tips or even plans for a Johnson Airspeed Indicator? I would like to build one that is somewhat accurate, but I really don't know what type of spring to use. Any tips? Thanks! Steve Ruse Dallas, TX ---


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    Time: 11:37:40 PM PST US
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    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Johnson Airspeed Indicator
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Steve. a friend of mine has the plans and/or an indicator that he installed on a biplane he designed and built. We are going to make one for my plane. I will try to get the plans from him (he lives in another town) and when I get it I will be happy to share it with you. I will try to contact him in a few days. Doc --- Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" > <steve@wotelectronics.com> > > BlankI searched the archives and didn't come up with > anything, so I thought > I'd ask. Does anyone have any design tips or even > plans for a Johnson > Airspeed Indicator? I would like to build one that > is somewhat accurate, > but I really don't know what type of spring to use. > Any tips? > > Thanks! > > Steve Ruse > Dallas, TX > > --- > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release > Date: 12/3/2004 > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo


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    Time: 11:46:42 PM PST US
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    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: registration requirements
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Ralph, the regs will tell you everything you need, but the basic flight and engine instruments are simply: airspeed indicator, altimeter, tachometer, magnetic compass, oil pressure guage, oil temp guage (for air cooled engines), water temp guage for water cooled engines, fuel guage (can be a stick and float device like on the Cub) and that about covers it. Such things as radios and transponders are required only for certain restricted airspaces. Of course, all the above is for daylight VFR only and does not cover night VFR flight. I don't think I've left anything out. I have been flying behind those instruments for manny years and they are enough for safe flight. Doc --- Michael McCarty <mmccarty@zianet.com> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael > McCarty" <mmccarty@zianet.com> > > The list of equipment required is covered in FAR > 91.205. > > Try this link and then click on Current FAR By Part > and then Part 91 > > http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet > > -Mac > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:23 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph" > <ralphhsd@itctel.com> > > > > I have been working on my Piet for about ten plus > years. I have enough > > parts done that my wife is starting to get worried > that it actually looks > > like an airplane. My question arises from reading > the stories relating to > > registering and getting the repairman > certificates. What sort of materials > > are required for this activity. I have a few > pictures taken along the way, > > but no actual log book of work completed. Also, > is there a place I can find > > a list of the minimum required gauges to have in > the cockpit. Thank you for > > your help. > > > > Carol and Ralph > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com




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