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1. 06:24 AM - Portable GPS opinion needed (Garmin?) (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
2. 07:10 AM - Re: Portable GPS opinion needed (Garmin?) (Phillips, Jack)
3. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Landing gear (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
4. 12:50 PM - Piet Project for sale (Ian Holland)
5. 03:14 PM - landing gear (Richard Navratil)
6. 04:46 PM - Re: landing gear (Galen Hutcheson)
7. 07:24 PM - registration requirements (Ralph)
8. 08:15 PM - Re: registration requirements (Michael McCarty)
9. 10:57 PM - Johnson Airspeed Indicator (Steve Ruse)
10. 11:37 PM - Re: Johnson Airspeed Indicator (Galen Hutcheson)
11. 11:46 PM - Re: registration requirements (Galen Hutcheson)
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Subject: | Portable GPS opinion needed (Garmin?) |
I'm selling my faithful and trusted Trimble Flightmate GPS on Ebay and as I
scan the auctions for a Garmin 196 that I'm thinking of bidding on, I'm tempted
by this unit.
I tried looking up owner-opinions on the 196 at www.epinions.com, but there
are none.
Does anyone have any experience with the 196 and if so, how do you like it?
http://www.airnav.com/airport/5TA6#notes
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Subject: | Portable GPS opinion needed (Garmin?) |
I have a GPSMap 196 that I love. I would never go on a XC without it.
I bought it at SNF 1-1/2 years ago and have never regretted it.
Jack Phillips
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From: N321TX@wmconnect.com [mailto:N321TX@wmconnect.com]
I'm selling my faithful and trusted Trimble Flightmate GPS on Ebay and
as I scan the auctions for a Garmin 196 that I'm thinking of bidding on,
I'm tempted by this unit.
I tried looking up owner-opinions on the 196 at www.epinions.com, but
there are none.
Does anyone have any experience with the 196 and if so, how do you like
it?
http://www.airnav.com/airport/5TA6#notes
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Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
After spending the better part of the last 3 weeks here in sunny Fl
rebuilding the 4130 (cub-like) landing gear on the wrecked Piete I bought
last summer, I have to agree with the experimentation part. Heck, there's
probably a dozen good ways to build this gear faster and stronger than the
original plans. So at the risk of being shunned by Piete purest, I'd like
to suggest the following to any new builders: take a good look at the way
the Vari or Longeze gears are built and attached. These fiberglass gears
can easily stand 4 Gs on a 1000 lb airplane. They would not have to be as
heavy for a Piete. Would be easy to build over a 4'x8' plywood "mold" with
unidirectional s-glass fibers and epoxy. They could be attached by
building bolt ear tabs on the bottom of the longerons, attach via a 5/8"
4130 tube glassed into the top of the gear and attached to the plane with
1/2" bolt thru the tube and bolt ears. For the purest- you could paint the
epoxy/glass spring gear with simulated wood paint. You could buy a
complete gear from Featherlite in CA for about $600. or build one for about
$200 not counting the wheels.
Gordon Bowen
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From: Galen Hutcheson wacopitts@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
In all due respect, to some people (to me especially),
sticking to the plans is rather boring and lacluster.
I for one, enjoy experimentation and discovery. If
this gentleman wants to build a certain type of
landing gear, I applaude him. My Waco KNF had an
outrigger landing gear (the type he wants to build)
and it did look great, not to mention the fact that it
functioned very well on rough terrain. much better. I
might add, than the more common landing gears. I don't
think there is any hurdle he can't cross if he wishes
to take on the challenge. This is all in the sprit of
experimentation and one reason we all proudly afix the
placard on our planes that says "EXPERIMENTAL." So
Don, full steam ahead and if I can be of any help,
just ask.
Doc
--- Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I just got curious and went over to see the Glider
> Manuales.... It could be a good option,
> The Scout (construction) is very similar to the
> Aircamper, Just need to do your homework in
> modifying the structural area in the front part of
> the fuselage where the gears and the struts will
> join... maybe a lots of work,
> Remeber that even a little modification from the
> plans will add at least 100 hours (sometimes more)
> to any project.
> On the other side, the looks of that landing gear
> will be beautiful... As will be the wooden landing
> gear. Split is more common but a good and proven
> option.
>
> Just check also the position of the wheels in
> relation of the Center of Gravity, to be sure that
> the legs ar as straight as possible to prevent
> lateral (or front/back) forces not spected in the
> original design of the fuselage...
>
> Try it in paper first, if not satisfied or
> convinced, just make a paper ball and practice with
> the trash can... Search for similar LG in other
> airplanes (Curtis Robin, etc) to compare your
> drawings. Have Fun But be Safe.
>
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
>
> Richard Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> I say it only with respect. Why re-invent 2 great
> gear options? Stick to the plans.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ADonJr@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:06 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear
>
>
> Hello Group,
> I addressed this subject with the group a while
> ago, but got no response...I'd like to use the
> landing gear configuration used on the Sky Scout on
> my Aircamper. I've done some preliminary design for
> adapting the fittings and it looks feasable. Has
> anyone had any experience with this? It looks like
> the forward cabane fitting can be combined with the
> upper shock strut fitting without modifying the
> fuselage truss. Am I missing something here?
> Don Cooley
>
>
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> search. Learn more.
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Subject: | Piet Project for sale |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ian Holland" <ian_holl@telus.net>
If any of you are contemplating starting a Pietenpol Project, I have
one almost completed. It is on the wheels with a Corvair engine
attached. All material is aircraft grade. The engine has been rebuilt
following the William Wynne manual, but has not yet been run.
After 10 years of building, I find that I can not complete it. It
needs a little work before the precover inspection. There is
approximately $12k invested in material alone. I am open to offers
(reasonable ones) as it must be sold. All logs etc included. Pictures
available if anyone is interested.
A tough decision, and one not taken lightly.
Best regards,
-=Ian=-
do not archive
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Hey all
I didn't post the suggestion from a "purist" point of view. I am the last one
to be on that side of things. When my new Spuer Piet rolls out next year, it
will be radically different than any out there. However, I am looking at it from
the point of view of the pile of left over parts that didn't work out from
my experimenting last time. I spent too many extra hours to count, trying to
change things and lots of money too.
Practically, stick to the plans.
It's only an opinion. The only thing I disagree with is that "the plans are boring."
I have always said that BHP continued to try new things and improve on
the design. But I firmly belive that you should fly it first then work on changes.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Re: landing gear |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Well Dick, a lot of what you say is true, you do
sometimes use up a lot of material in experimentation,
but to me it is worth the fun of trying things that
are new and things that fit what each of us want out
of an airplane. I could never be a purist either. As
a matter of fact, I am in the process of converting my
Piet project into a 75% scale Curtis JN-4 Jenny. It
will still have a Piet backbone and Piet airfoil, but
the rest will be pure Jenny (almost, that is :). I
certainly didn't mean to offend by my statement, I
merely wanted to encourage that gentleman to build
toward his desires. Had I wanted to build toward a
plane that was accurately depicted from BHP's plans, I
could have done so but then, I would have not been 100
percent happy with the result of that mountainous
amount of labor each of us devote to our projects. To
some, an accurately plans built Pietenpol is enough to
scratch the itch of what is wanted from an airplane,
but to others like myself, it is not. And sometimes
the changes you want made can only be made during the
building phase. By the time the plane is flying, it
is too late. For instance, my desire to have another
biplane (and a very old looking biplane at that). My
apology if I offended, that was not my intention.
Happy holidays,
Doc
--- Richard Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> Hey all
> I didn't post the suggestion from a "purist" point
> of view. I am the last one to be on that side of
> things. When my new Spuer Piet rolls out next year,
> it will be radically different than any out there.
> However, I am looking at it from the point of view
> of the pile of left over parts that didn't work out
> from my experimenting last time. I spent too many
> extra hours to count, trying to change things and
> lots of money too.
> Practically, stick to the plans.
> It's only an opinion. The only thing I disagree
> with is that "the plans are boring." I have always
> said that BHP continued to try new things and
> improve on the design. But I firmly belive that you
> should fly it first then work on changes.
> Dick N.
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Subject: | registration requirements |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
I have been working on my Piet for about ten plus years. I have enough
parts done that my wife is starting to get worried that it actually looks
like an airplane. My question arises from reading the stories relating to
registering and getting the repairman certificates. What sort of materials
are required for this activity. I have a few pictures taken along the way,
but no actual log book of work completed. Also, is there a place I can find
a list of the minimum required gauges to have in the cockpit. Thank you for
your help.
Carol and Ralph
Raymond
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Subject: | Re: registration requirements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael McCarty" <mmccarty@zianet.com>
The list of equipment required is covered in FAR 91.205.
Try this link and then click on Current FAR By Part and then Part 91
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
-Mac
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
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> I have been working on my Piet for about ten plus years. I have enough
> parts done that my wife is starting to get worried that it actually looks
> like an airplane. My question arises from reading the stories relating to
> registering and getting the repairman certificates. What sort of materials
> are required for this activity. I have a few pictures taken along the way,
> but no actual log book of work completed. Also, is there a place I can find
> a list of the minimum required gauges to have in the cockpit. Thank you for
> your help.
>
> Carol and Ralph
> Raymond
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Subject: | Johnson Airspeed Indicator |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
BlankI searched the archives and didn't come up with anything, so I thought
I'd ask. Does anyone have any design tips or even plans for a Johnson
Airspeed Indicator? I would like to build one that is somewhat accurate,
but I really don't know what type of spring to use. Any tips?
Thanks!
Steve Ruse
Dallas, TX
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Subject: | Re: Johnson Airspeed Indicator |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Steve. a friend of mine has the plans and/or an
indicator that he installed on a biplane he designed
and built. We are going to make one for my plane. I
will try to get the plans from him (he lives in
another town) and when I get it I will be happy to
share it with you. I will try to contact him in a few
days.
Doc
--- Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse"
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> BlankI searched the archives and didn't come up with
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> I'd ask. Does anyone have any design tips or even
> plans for a Johnson
> Airspeed Indicator? I would like to build one that
> is somewhat accurate,
> but I really don't know what type of spring to use.
> Any tips?
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> Thanks!
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> Dallas, TX
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Subject: | Re: registration requirements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Ralph, the regs will tell you everything you need, but
the basic flight and engine instruments are simply:
airspeed indicator, altimeter, tachometer, magnetic
compass, oil pressure guage, oil temp guage (for air
cooled engines), water temp guage for water cooled
engines, fuel guage (can be a stick and float device
like on the Cub) and that about covers it. Such
things as radios and transponders are required only
for certain restricted airspaces. Of course, all the
above is for daylight VFR only and does not cover
night VFR flight. I don't think I've left anything
out. I have been flying behind those instruments for
manny years and they are enough for safe flight.
Doc
--- Michael McCarty <mmccarty@zianet.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael
> McCarty" <mmccarty@zianet.com>
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> The list of equipment required is covered in FAR
> 91.205.
>
> Try this link and then click on Current FAR By Part
> and then Part 91
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http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
>
> -Mac
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:23 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph"
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> > I have been working on my Piet for about ten plus
> years. I have enough
> > parts done that my wife is starting to get worried
> that it actually looks
> > like an airplane. My question arises from reading
> the stories relating to
> > registering and getting the repairman
> certificates. What sort of materials
> > are required for this activity. I have a few
> pictures taken along the way,
> > but no actual log book of work completed. Also,
> is there a place I can find
> > a list of the minimum required gauges to have in
> the cockpit. Thank you for
> > your help.
> >
> > Carol and Ralph
> > Raymond
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