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1. 07:33 AM - Re: registration requirements (Rick Holland)
2. 07:33 AM - OT - Pilatus lands on city street (DJ Vegh)
3. 07:54 AM - Re: OT - Pilatus lands on city street (Michael D Cuy)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: OT - Pilatus lands on city street (Galen Hutcheson)
5. 08:25 AM - Re: registration requirements (Galen Hutcheson)
6. 09:11 AM - Re: registration requirements (Richard Navratil)
7. 09:17 AM - Re: registration requirements (Mike King)
8. 09:30 AM - Re: registration requirements (Richard Navratil)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: OT - Pilatus lands on city street (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
10. 01:31 PM - Trimble Flightmate GPS Ebay, $1.25! (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
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12. 09:38 PM - Re: OT - Pilatus lands on city street (Ken Anderson)
13. 10:27 PM - Re: Johnson Airspeed Indicator (Clif Dawson)
14. 11:31 PM - Re: Johnson Airspeed Indicator (Rcaprd@aol.com)
15. 11:39 PM - Re: registration requirements (Rcaprd@aol.com)
16. 11:45 PM - Re: registration requirements (Rcaprd@aol.com)
17. 11:53 PM - Re: registration requirements (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: registration requirements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
All the spam-cans I have flown have had egt and sometimes cht gauges
which we used primarily to adjust the mixture at higher altitudes. I
have seen very few Piets with these (even with air cooled engines),
Anybody ever get concerned that they may be running too rich or lean
without these gauges?
RH
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:45:44 -0800 (PST), Galen Hutcheson
<wacopitts@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
>
> Ralph, the regs will tell you everything you need, but
> the basic flight and engine instruments are simply:
> airspeed indicator, altimeter, tachometer, magnetic
> compass, oil pressure guage, oil temp guage (for air
> cooled engines), water temp guage for water cooled
> engines, fuel guage (can be a stick and float device
> like on the Cub) and that about covers it. Such
> things as radios and transponders are required only
> for certain restricted airspaces. Of course, all the
> above is for daylight VFR only and does not cover
> night VFR flight. I don't think I've left anything
> out. I have been flying behind those instruments for
> manny years and they are enough for safe flight.
>
> Doc
> --- Michael McCarty <mmccarty@zianet.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael
> > McCarty" <mmccarty@zianet.com>
> >
> > The list of equipment required is covered in FAR
> > 91.205.
> >
> > Try this link and then click on Current FAR By Part
> > and then Part 91
> >
> >
> http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
> >
> > -Mac
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:23 PM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph"
> > <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
> > >
> > > I have been working on my Piet for about ten plus
> > years. I have enough
> > > parts done that my wife is starting to get worried
> > that it actually looks
> > > like an airplane. My question arises from reading
> > the stories relating to
> > > registering and getting the repairman
> > certificates. What sort of materials
> > > are required for this activity. I have a few
> > pictures taken along the way,
> > > but no actual log book of work completed. Also,
> > is there a place I can find
> > > a list of the minimum required gauges to have in
> > the cockpit. Thank you for
> > > your help.
> > >
> > > Carol and Ralph
> > > Raymond
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | OT - Pilatus lands on city street |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
fellow Aircamper friends,
an off topic rant....this didn't make national news, but it's all over the
South Bend, IN press. My cousin works at the Southbend airport and called
me a couple days ago telling me that a Pilatus lost engine power 10 min.
after takeoff. The Pilatus was at 7,000' and 7 miles away and could not
make the field. Weather was cold with light snow showers and snow covering
the ground. The pilot, a 25 yr old, had 5 passengers on board and decided to
set it down on a street in town. There is a fast food restaurant, hotel, and
retail shopping center within 100 yds. He managed to go over a set of power
lines and then under a set right before setting down. The right wing
clipped something but that the extent of the damage. No one hurt.
In my opinion the pilot did a marvelous job getting that large aircraft down
with not even so much as a bruise or scratch on anyone.
And now we have people like this (click link below)
http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2004/12/16/local.20041216-sbt-LOCL-A1-Some_question__defen.sto
for those who don't wish to read the article.... there is a guy who was
driving on the street when he saw the plane coming down. He claims he had
to jump the curb to miss a collision with the plane. Then he proceeds to
bitch and complain about how the pilot made a bad decision trying to land on
the street. his exact words are
"I cannot believe they sent that plane down in probably the most congested
area in Michiana. I'm thankful that no one was hurt, but it was an
unnecessary risk."
Who is this jackass?! I'm sorry a**hole, but the unnecessary risk would
have been setting the plane down in the only other option which is the
woods. Certain death.
I'll bet anyone a million bucks that if that prick was sitting next to the
pilot when the engine flamed out and the pilot said that he would set down
in the woods and most likely there would be fatalities, but he should do
that because it's an unnecessary risk to attempt to set down on a city
street, I know for a fact that dude would be BEGGING the pilot to land on
the street. You'd hear that guy whining, wimpering, screaming, crying,
pleading to "please please please take the street option".
This guy makes me want to find him and slap him upside the ass with my
Tennesee Props 66" propeller.
This is probably the same type of guy who buys a house next to an airport
and then complains about the noise.
DJ Vegh
_
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Pilatus lands on city street |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
DJ--- You know there are always people who will bitch about anything,
anywhere. Take church for instance.
It's too hot, it's too cold, the sermon was too long, too short, the lights
were too dim, too bright.
I saw that Pilatus on the news last night and besides the clipped wing on
one side the plane was perfectly upright
in the street with three perfect landing gear legs and airframe
intact. Not even a fire.
That young pilot is a hero and I'm sure his passengers and the family
members of those passengers will be extra
thankful this Christmas and New Year that they didn't loose so much as
someone's eyelash.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Pilatus lands on city street |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
I agree with you DJ. This same idiot would probably
have bitched if the pilot had landed in the
trees..."endangering wildlife and the environment."
He is just another person who obviously hates
airplanes and I have seen many of this type of
individual.
Doc
--- DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
> <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> fellow Aircamper friends,
>
> an off topic rant....this didn't make national news,
> but it's all over the
> South Bend, IN press. My cousin works at the
> Southbend airport and called
> me a couple days ago telling me that a Pilatus lost
> engine power 10 min.
> after takeoff. The Pilatus was at 7,000' and 7
> miles away and could not
> make the field. Weather was cold with light snow
> showers and snow covering
> the ground. The pilot, a 25 yr old, had 5 passengers
> on board and decided to
> set it down on a street in town. There is a fast
> food restaurant, hotel, and
> retail shopping center within 100 yds. He managed
> to go over a set of power
> lines and then under a set right before setting
> down. The right wing
> clipped something but that the extent of the damage.
> No one hurt.
>
> In my opinion the pilot did a marvelous job getting
> that large aircraft down
> with not even so much as a bruise or scratch on
> anyone.
>
> And now we have people like this (click link below)
>
>
http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2004/12/16/local.20041216-sbt-LOCL-A1-Some_question__defen.sto
>
> for those who don't wish to read the article....
> there is a guy who was
> driving on the street when he saw the plane coming
> down. He claims he had
> to jump the curb to miss a collision with the plane.
> Then he proceeds to
> bitch and complain about how the pilot made a bad
> decision trying to land on
> the street. his exact words are
>
> "I cannot believe they sent that plane down in
> probably the most congested
> area in Michiana. I'm thankful that no one was
> hurt, but it was an
> unnecessary risk."
>
> Who is this jackass?! I'm sorry a**hole, but the
> unnecessary risk would
> have been setting the plane down in the only other
> option which is the
> woods. Certain death.
>
> I'll bet anyone a million bucks that if that prick
> was sitting next to the
> pilot when the engine flamed out and the pilot said
> that he would set down
> in the woods and most likely there would be
> fatalities, but he should do
> that because it's an unnecessary risk to attempt to
> set down on a city
> street, I know for a fact that dude would be BEGGING
> the pilot to land on
> the street. You'd hear that guy whining, wimpering,
> screaming, crying,
> pleading to "please please please take the street
> option".
>
> This guy makes me want to find him and slap him
> upside the ass with my
> Tennesee Props 66" propeller.
>
> This is probably the same type of guy who buys a
> house next to an airport
> and then complains about the noise.
>
> DJ Vegh
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: registration requirements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
The only time I ever needed those gauges were on
higher compression, higher performance engines like
the enines on my Pitts Specials. Most of the older
engines with lower compression ratios usally don't
even have mixture controls so therefore you couldn't
change the fuel mixture if you wanted to. They do
just fine under normal conditions.
Doc
--- Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland
> <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
> All the spam-cans I have flown have had egt and
> sometimes cht gauges
> which we used primarily to adjust the mixture at
> higher altitudes. I
> have seen very few Piets with these (even with air
> cooled engines),
> Anybody ever get concerned that they may be running
> too rich or lean
> without these gauges?
>
> RH
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:45:44 -0800 (PST), Galen
> Hutcheson
> <wacopitts@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen
> Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Ralph, the regs will tell you everything you need,
> but
> > the basic flight and engine instruments are
> simply:
> > airspeed indicator, altimeter, tachometer,
> magnetic
> > compass, oil pressure guage, oil temp guage (for
> air
> > cooled engines), water temp guage for water cooled
> > engines, fuel guage (can be a stick and float
> device
> > like on the Cub) and that about covers it. Such
> > things as radios and transponders are required
> only
> > for certain restricted airspaces. Of course, all
> the
> > above is for daylight VFR only and does not cover
> > night VFR flight. I don't think I've left
> anything
> > out. I have been flying behind those instruments
> for
> > manny years and they are enough for safe flight.
> >
> > Doc
> > --- Michael McCarty <mmccarty@zianet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael
> > > McCarty" <mmccarty@zianet.com>
> > >
> > > The list of equipment required is covered in FAR
> > > 91.205.
> > >
> > > Try this link and then click on Current FAR By
> Part
> > > and then Part 91
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
> > >
> > > -Mac
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:23 PM
> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration
> requirements
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph"
> > > <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
> > > >
> > > > I have been working on my Piet for about ten
> plus
> > > years. I have enough
> > > > parts done that my wife is starting to get
> worried
> > > that it actually looks
> > > > like an airplane. My question arises from
> reading
> > > the stories relating to
> > > > registering and getting the repairman
> > > certificates. What sort of materials
> > > > are required for this activity. I have a few
> > > pictures taken along the way,
> > > > but no actual log book of work completed.
> Also,
> > > is there a place I can find
> > > > a list of the minimum required gauges to have
> in
> > > the cockpit. Thank you for
> > > > your help.
> > > >
> > > > Carol and Ralph
> > > > Raymond
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > Contributions
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> > >
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> > >
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> >
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>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
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| Subject: | Re: registration requirements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
If you are running a A-65 or such, the manual calls for full rich at less
than 3000'. I don't ever intend on going higher than that. My mixture
controll is safety wired to full rich
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
> All the spam-cans I have flown have had egt and sometimes cht gauges
> which we used primarily to adjust the mixture at higher altitudes. I
> have seen very few Piets with these (even with air cooled engines),
> Anybody ever get concerned that they may be running too rich or lean
> without these gauges?
>
> RH
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:45:44 -0800 (PST), Galen Hutcheson
> <wacopitts@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson
>> <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Ralph, the regs will tell you everything you need, but
>> the basic flight and engine instruments are simply:
>> airspeed indicator, altimeter, tachometer, magnetic
>> compass, oil pressure guage, oil temp guage (for air
>> cooled engines), water temp guage for water cooled
>> engines, fuel guage (can be a stick and float device
>> like on the Cub) and that about covers it. Such
>> things as radios and transponders are required only
>> for certain restricted airspaces. Of course, all the
>> above is for daylight VFR only and does not cover
>> night VFR flight. I don't think I've left anything
>> out. I have been flying behind those instruments for
>> manny years and they are enough for safe flight.
>>
>> Doc
>> --- Michael McCarty <mmccarty@zianet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael
>> > McCarty" <mmccarty@zianet.com>
>> >
>> > The list of equipment required is covered in FAR
>> > 91.205.
>> >
>> > Try this link and then click on Current FAR By Part
>> > and then Part 91
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
>> >
>> > -Mac
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
>> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:23 PM
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements
>> >
>> >
>> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph"
>> > <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
>> > >
>> > > I have been working on my Piet for about ten plus
>> > years. I have enough
>> > > parts done that my wife is starting to get worried
>> > that it actually looks
>> > > like an airplane. My question arises from reading
>> > the stories relating to
>> > > registering and getting the repairman
>> > certificates. What sort of materials
>> > > are required for this activity. I have a few
>> > pictures taken along the way,
>> > > but no actual log book of work completed. Also,
>> > is there a place I can find
>> > > a list of the minimum required gauges to have in
>> > the cockpit. Thank you for
>> > > your help.
>> > >
>> > > Carol and Ralph
>> > > Raymond
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Contributions
>> > any other
>> > Forums.
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm
>> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
>> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
>> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> __________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Rick Holland
>
>
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| Subject: | registration requirements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike King" <mikek120@mindspring.com>
Same here on my Continental A-80. Wired full-rich. Besides, if
I
got to 3,000 AGL I would have to get an air-to-air fuel transfer
from
a tanker.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Navratil
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
If you are running a A-65 or such, the manual calls for full rich
at less
than 3000'. I don't ever intend on going higher than that. My
mixture
controll is safety wired to full rich
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland
<at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
> All the spam-cans I have flown have had egt and sometimes cht
gauges
> which we used primarily to adjust the mixture at higher
altitudes. I
> have seen very few Piets with these (even with air cooled
engines),
> Anybody ever get concerned that they may be running too rich or
lean
> without these gauges?
>
> RH
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:45:44 -0800 (PST), Galen Hutcheson
> <wacopitts@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson
>> <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Ralph, the regs will tell you everything you need, but
>> the basic flight and engine instruments are simply:
>> airspeed indicator, altimeter, tachometer, magnetic
>> compass, oil pressure guage, oil temp guage (for air
>> cooled engines), water temp guage for water cooled
>> engines, fuel guage (can be a stick and float device
>> like on the Cub) and that about covers it. Such
>> things as radios and transponders are required only
>> for certain restricted airspaces. Of course, all the
>> above is for daylight VFR only and does not cover
>> night VFR flight. I don't think I've left anything
>> out. I have been flying behind those instruments for
>> manny years and they are enough for safe flight.
>>
>> Doc
>> --- Michael McCarty <mmccarty@zianet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael
>> > McCarty" <mmccarty@zianet.com>
>> >
>> > The list of equipment required is covered in FAR
>> > 91.205.
>> >
>> > Try this link and then click on Current FAR By Part
>> > and then Part 91
>> >
>> >
>>
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.n
sf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
>> >
>> > -Mac
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
>> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:23 PM
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements
>> >
>> >
>> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph"
>> > <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
>> > >
>> > > I have been working on my Piet for about ten plus
>> > years. I have enough
>> > > parts done that my wife is starting to get worried
>> > that it actually looks
>> > > like an airplane. My question arises from reading
>> > the stories relating to
>> > > registering and getting the repairman
>> > certificates. What sort of materials
>> > > are required for this activity. I have a few
>> > pictures taken along the way,
>> > > but no actual log book of work completed. Also,
>> > is there a place I can find
>> > > a list of the minimum required gauges to have in
>> > the cockpit. Thank you for
>> > > your help.
>> > >
>> > > Carol and Ralph
>> > > Raymond
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Contributions
>> > any other
>> > Forums.
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: registration requirements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
The best and most complete answer to these questions are in the archives.
It will give you a complete past discussion on this. Scroll down to the
bottom of this page to the heading of "Search Engine" and type in
"Inspection" as a suject. Also check in the heading of Photo Share. On
March 27, 2004 I posted a sample of an Operations Manual. Chuck Ganzer
later refined it. That version may also be in archives. That will give you
a good start.
The requirements of documentation of building vary around the country. Your
first step is to sit down and re-construct a timeline of what you did and
when. Organize your receipts for materials and get ahold of an EAA Tech
Councilar for help.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration requirements
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
>
> I have been working on my Piet for about ten plus years. I have enough
> parts done that my wife is starting to get worried that it actually looks
> like an airplane. My question arises from reading the stories relating to
> registering and getting the repairman certificates. What sort of
> materials
> are required for this activity. I have a few pictures taken along the
> way,
> but no actual log book of work completed. Also, is there a place I can
> find
> a list of the minimum required gauges to have in the cockpit. Thank you
> for
> your help.
>
> Carol and Ralph
> Raymond
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Pilatus lands on city street |
I read just the article and as someone who started working in TV news in
1973, the report typically balanced the idiot's narrowminded stupidity with
positive coverage about the pilot's incredible feat. Many reporters seem to always
look for the extreme (idiot) in telling one side of the story. (It sells
newspapers and gets ratings on TV... sad but true.)
I'm going to forward this to AOPA, I'm certain they are in the loop on this,
but the general public AND NEWS MEDIA need to understand that aviator's don't
have many options in emergency situations like this.
I know of a pilot who was flying from Washington, DC to Houston Texas in a
Falcon 20 jet back in the 1970s on a cold winter evening. One of the two
engines flamed out during the pitch black night, over Tennessee. Weather was bad
for the entire trip and monster thunderstorms were brewing over much of Texas.
The pilot had a full passenger load and the Falcon was also heavy with fuel.
The co-pilot couldn't get the engine re-lit and as the co-pilot scrtutinized the
one remaining engine that was running, he became concerned about an anomoly
he saw on a guage with the only powerplant that was keeping them airborne. They
decided to land on one engine at Knoxville, TN. It was snowing, very dark and
the runway was nothing more than a white blur. Even Eskimos would not have
been out mushing their dogs on a night like this.
The radar altimeter (along with all the other instruments) but mainly the
pilot and co-pilots experience and training every 6 months at Flight Safety
played a key role in helping them set the airplane down, where they could. As they
taxied up to the FBO and let the CEO and President of this multi-billion
dollar industry off the airplane, the pilot didn't tell the passengers he never
saw
the runway upon landing. (I suspect the FAA never heard word of it either.)
The pilot eventually told his young son a few days later, and that's one of
the reasons I didn't want to follow my dad as a professional aviator. His
flamed-out Falcon story, durring a blizzard, at night is just one of many tales
my
old man brought back home, time-and-time again, to share with me of his flying
adventures...
I'm confident the 25 year-old Pilatus aviator (with his exceptional skills
and good decision making processes) will one day be an 85 year old, gray haired
father like my dad... who still has his license and who can still teach his
son how to do dead stick landings in a tail dragger.
Give me low and slow in a Pietenpol on any blue day... and leave the heroic
stuff to the pro who landed the Pilatus... and to old men with gray hair that
have stories to tell their kids.
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| Subject: | Trimble Flightmate GPS Ebay, $1.25! |
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Flightmate knew where the nearest 10 airports were, half of which were named
Mohammed something or other.
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Sterling,
I hope that my bidding will boost to bidding prices for you.
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Pilatus lands on city street |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Anderson" <piet4ken@mindspring.com>
Walt Coffee a former used car salesman and bar owner in Kansas City had a
sign in his bar that said " SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY UNLESS THAY ARE NOT
HAPPY"
he also had a sigh that said "OUR SERVICE MAY BE BAD BUT AT LEAST IT'S SLOW"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Galen Hutcheson" <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT - Pilatus lands on city street
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson
<wacopitts@yahoo.com>
>
> I agree with you DJ. This same idiot would probably
> have bitched if the pilot had landed in the
> trees..."endangering wildlife and the environment."
> He is just another person who obviously hates
> airplanes and I have seen many of this type of
> individual.
>
> Doc
> --- DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
> > <djv@imagedv.com>
> >
> > fellow Aircamper friends,
> >
> > an off topic rant....this didn't make national news,
> > but it's all over the
> > South Bend, IN press. My cousin works at the
> > Southbend airport and called
> > me a couple days ago telling me that a Pilatus lost
> > engine power 10 min.
> > after takeoff. The Pilatus was at 7,000' and 7
> > miles away and could not
> > make the field. Weather was cold with light snow
> > showers and snow covering
> > the ground. The pilot, a 25 yr old, had 5 passengers
> > on board and decided to
> > set it down on a street in town. There is a fast
> > food restaurant, hotel, and
> > retail shopping center within 100 yds. He managed
> > to go over a set of power
> > lines and then under a set right before setting
> > down. The right wing
> > clipped something but that the extent of the damage.
> > No one hurt.
> >
> > In my opinion the pilot did a marvelous job getting
> > that large aircraft down
> > with not even so much as a bruise or scratch on
> > anyone.
> >
> > And now we have people like this (click link below)
> >
> >
>
http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2004/12/16/local.20041216-sbt-LOCL-A1-Some_question__defen.sto
> >
> > for those who don't wish to read the article....
> > there is a guy who was
> > driving on the street when he saw the plane coming
> > down. He claims he had
> > to jump the curb to miss a collision with the plane.
> > Then he proceeds to
> > bitch and complain about how the pilot made a bad
> > decision trying to land on
> > the street. his exact words are
> >
> > "I cannot believe they sent that plane down in
> > probably the most congested
> > area in Michiana. I'm thankful that no one was
> > hurt, but it was an
> > unnecessary risk."
> >
> > Who is this jackass?! I'm sorry a**hole, but the
> > unnecessary risk would
> > have been setting the plane down in the only other
> > option which is the
> > woods. Certain death.
> >
> > I'll bet anyone a million bucks that if that prick
> > was sitting next to the
> > pilot when the engine flamed out and the pilot said
> > that he would set down
> > in the woods and most likely there would be
> > fatalities, but he should do
> > that because it's an unnecessary risk to attempt to
> > set down on a city
> > street, I know for a fact that dude would be BEGGING
> > the pilot to land on
> > the street. You'd hear that guy whining, wimpering,
> > screaming, crying,
> > pleading to "please please please take the street
> > option".
> >
> > This guy makes me want to find him and slap him
> > upside the ass with my
> > Tennesee Props 66" propeller.
> >
> > This is probably the same type of guy who buys a
> > house next to an airport
> > and then complains about the noise.
> >
> > DJ Vegh
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Johnson Airspeed Indicator |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
I have designed and built my own. When I have the time
I will be calibrating them with my truck. Also there are
others that have been made and used. One I recall
simply has three indications on it. One of which is a rabbit.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?Start=21&AlbumID=27
Scroll down a bit.
Clif
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Johnson Airspeed Indicator
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson
<wacopitts@yahoo.com>
>
> Steve. a friend of mine has the plans and/or an
> indicator that he installed on a biplane he designed
> and built. We are going to make one for my plane. I
> will try to get the plans from him (he lives in
> another town) and when I get it I will be happy to
> share it with you. I will try to contact him in a few
> days.
>
> Doc
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 12/16/04 12:57:39 AM Central Standard Time,
steve@wotelectronics.com writes:
<< Does anyone have any design tips or even plans for a Johnson
Airspeed Indicator? I would like to build one that is somewhat accurate,
but I really don't know what type of spring to use. Any tips? >>
Steve,
I coppied one from a Johnson Airspeed Indicator that I borrowed from Leon
Stefan. After measuring the spring, I wound my own with music wire bought at a
hobby store. However, for some reason, I never did try it. It's on my 'List
of To Do's.'
Chuck G.
p.s. Hey Leon, I still have your new Johnson Airspeed Indicator, in the box.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 12/16/04 11:30:52 AM Central Standard Time,
horzpool@goldengate.net writes:
<< On
March 27, 2004 I posted a sample of an Operations Manual. Chuck Ganzer
later refined it. That version may also be in archives. That will give you
a good start. >>
I still have my version saved in my computer. If anyone would like to see
it, e-mail me direct, and I can put it in the text of an e-mail. You could copy
/ paste it to your word program, and edit it as need be.
Chuck Gantzer
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 12/16/04 11:12:13 AM Central Standard Time,
horzpool@goldengate.net writes:
<< If you are running a A-65 or such, the manual calls for full rich at less
than 3000'. I don't ever intend on going higher than that. My mixture
controll is safety wired to full rich
Dick N. >>
Ditto for me. However, if I take 'er up to John Dilatush country, I think
I'll need to put a cable on the mixture control, and install an EGT guage.
Chuck G.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 12/15/04 9:25:15 PM Central Standard Time,
ralphhsd@itctel.com writes:
<< Also, is there a place I can find
a list of the minimum required gauges to have in the cockpit. >>
One of the indicators that I DO have, outside the cockpit in the relative
wind, is an 'Angle of Attack Indicator'. It's just a 3 foot piece of ribbon,
tied to the middle of the jury strut. More of a conservasion piece than anything
else...it flutters around too much to give a good indication of the angle of
attack. In actuallity, the ol' Piet lets me know when she approaches the
'Critical Angle of Attack', through the seat of my pants.
Chuck G.
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