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1. 05:09 AM - Re: back to the piet finally ()
2. 08:20 AM - Re: tailwheel (Tugwilsons@aol.com)
3. 08:59 AM - Re: back to the piet finally (Isablcorky@aol.com)
4. 10:16 AM - Rib material (ANNCARLEK@aol.com)
5. 11:03 AM - Re: Rib material (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
6. 11:03 AM - Re: back to the piet finally (malcolm Zirges)
7. 11:09 AM - Re: back to the piet finally (Isablcorky@aol.com)
8. 11:39 AM - Re: back to the piet finally (malcolm Zirges)
9. 01:19 PM - Re: back to the piet finally (Galen Hutcheson)
10. 02:25 PM - Torque tube question (Rick Holland)
11. 02:38 PM - Re: Tailwheel (Dale Johnson)
12. 04:48 PM - Don't Scare Me Like That (Tom Stinemetze)
13. 05:22 PM - Re: back to the piet finally (Ken Goff)
14. 07:08 PM - Re: back to the piet finally (Isablcorky@aol.com)
15. 08:05 PM - Re: Tailwheel (Ted Brousseau)
16. 09:31 PM - Re: Tailwheel (DJ Vegh)
17. 11:06 PM - Re: back to the piet finally (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: back to the piet finally |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Hi Tom,
In 1997, I purchased capstrip material from
AS&S. No problems. They cut the material to
62" lengths as requested. 23 cents per foot.
Charlie Rubeck's ribs get good reviews and
can save you a month or two of work for about
$300.00. I don't have contact information for
him. Someone else on the list will have that.
Greg Cardinal
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: back to the piet
finally
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> Well, first off - Merry Christmas and happy
> New Year to everyone.
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> It's been a long while since I've
> participated in the group or even worked on
> the piet, but because I received a generous
> gift from a relative, some money will be
> spent on wing rib material. Wondering
> what's the best place to purchase rib
> material. I'll probably order online thru
> wicks of AS&S unless there are other
> recommendations.
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Hi all,
I used a supermarket trolley wheel, cut a leaf spring from a small
car in in half , drilled a hole in the end and bolted the wheel to it. Fitted
the spring to the a/c with u shaped brackets bolted thru the sternpost and
thru the ash block in the bottom of the fuz.
It works really well, cost nothing and I have three spare wheels from the
same trolley should I ever need them.
regards
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: back to the piet finally |
Pieters,
Just a non-purist idea about selection of wood. Have used doug fir, pine and
sitka spruce for various parts of the two Piets I've built. Reading of your
inquiries pertaining to woods for ribs I really think if I were ever to do it
again I would buy some 12 ft 2x4 #1 clear pine and rip it to dimensions. It
wouldn't be but a skosh heavier than spruce and a bit lighter than fir BUT
stronger than either. Just an idea and a big money saver.
Corky in cold Louisiana
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com
In a message dated 12/27/04 2:00:27 AM, pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com
writes:
<< some money will
be spent on wing rib material. >>
I built my ribs out of standard douglas fir, obtained from the local lumer
yard( a pretty good one). The ribs, as specified, are very strong - the Beech
staggerwing down the line uses ribs that are half the size of the Piet.
So my pile of 14 ribs weighed almost exactly 5 pounds. Weight is not an issue
here, either. Would it make a lot of difference if the pile weighed only 4
pounds{spruce?}, or as much as 6{birch?)?
I don't know what woods are available in your area - I'd choose something
that is good and available though. I made my decision to use Fir after looking
at
the spruce at AS&S.
I did not install the gussets as I built the ribs - did that later, and there
was no advantage to this. I do have an extra rib, and this has been really
useful.
I used basswood plywood from AS&S, which is light and glues really well, and
would use this again. I think that it develops the full stregth of the
fir/plywood interface.
Birch or mahogany ply is stronger than my fir, but the gussets would have to
be larger to be stronger, as the fir or spruce is the limiting factor.
I soaked the rib stock in hot water for five minutes, then bent them in a jig
with a slightly sharper curve, and let them dry for a day or two. Worked
swell, none cracked or broke (but I had tested the material dry by bending it,
and some pieces did break..).
If you don't have a planer, now is the time to get one. You will really
appreciate what it can do for you.
Carl Lekven, Compton Airport, CA
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
For any Pieters that are in N. Florida area and still looking for wood. I
brought down to FL this year approx. 300 Board Ft of Kachemak Bay AK Sika
Spruce directly from the sawmill. It's mostly 3/4" by 4" to 6" wide by 8'
long. A few pieces 1.5" by 6" wide by 8' long. Knot free, dried 1 year
min. It's in standing in the hanger Palatka FL(28J). $3.50/bf
(12"x12"x1"), this is about 1/5 of what ASpruce charges. Above sizes are
full cut actual sawmill medium finish, you'd need a planer and ripsaw for
your work. If you're interested you can contact me directly, I intend to
bring down from AK a few hundred BF each Nov.
Gordon Bowen
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From: ANNCARLEK@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib material
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com
In a message dated 12/27/04 2:00:27 AM, pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com
writes:
<< some money will
be spent on wing rib material. >>
I built my ribs out of standard douglas fir, obtained from the local lumer
yard( a pretty good one). The ribs, as specified, are very strong - the
Beech
staggerwing down the line uses ribs that are half the size of the Piet.
So my pile of 14 ribs weighed almost exactly 5 pounds. Weight is not an
issue
here, either. Would it make a lot of difference if the pile weighed only 4
pounds{spruce?}, or as much as 6{birch?)?
I don't know what woods are available in your area - I'd choose something
that is good and available though. I made my decision to use Fir after
looking at
the spruce at AS&S.
I did not install the gussets as I built the ribs - did that later, and
there
was no advantage to this. I do have an extra rib, and this has been really
useful.
I used basswood plywood from AS&S, which is light and glues really well,
and
would use this again. I think that it develops the full stregth of the
fir/plywood interface.
Birch or mahogany ply is stronger than my fir, but the gussets would have
to
be larger to be stronger, as the fir or spruce is the limiting factor.
I soaked the rib stock in hot water for five minutes, then bent them in a
jig
with a slightly sharper curve, and let them dry for a day or two. Worked
swell, none cracked or broke (but I had tested the material dry by bending
it,
and some pieces did break..).
If you don't have a planer, now is the time to get one. You will really
appreciate what it can do for you.
Carl Lekven, Compton Airport, CA
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| Subject: | Re: back to the piet finally |
Just a question on your comment that pine would be stronger than fir. Here in
Oregon our main fir is Douglas Fir, and our main pine is Ponderosa--and Douglas
Fir is definitely stronger than Ponderosa Pine. Which species of pine and fir
are available in your area? I used Western Hemlock for my ribs and it was good
stuff to work with.
Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: back to the piet finally
Pieters,
Just a non-purist idea about selection of wood. Have used doug fir, pine and
sitka spruce for various parts of the two Piets I've built. Reading of your inquiries
pertaining to woods for ribs I really think if I were ever to do it again
I would buy some 12 ft 2x4 #1 clear pine and rip it to dimensions. It wouldn't
be but a skosh heavier than spruce and a bit lighter than fir BUT stronger
than either. Just an idea and a big money saver.
Corky in cold Louisiana
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| Subject: | Re: back to the piet finally |
Sorry Mac,
In Louisiana we refer to pine as Southern Pine. It has strong grains as
spruce and make very nice, strong Piet ribs.
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| Subject: | Re: back to the piet finally |
Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I have heard of Southern Pine, but I think
it was in reference to flooring--so it must be tough.
Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: back to the piet finally
Sorry Mac,
In Louisiana we refer to pine as Southern Pine. It has strong grains as spruce
and make very nice, strong Piet ribs.
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| Subject: | Re: back to the piet finally |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
I bought some nice 2X6 spruce boards of different
lengths up to 16'. After cutting out the material and
pruning out the knots, I had lots of material to build
with. I picked out quarter sawn pieces to get good
grain orientation. The ribs are very light and very
strong. I paid like 6-7 dollars per board. I like
spruce, it is very easy to work with.
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| Subject: | Torque tube question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Concerning the two collars in the from of the torque tube, one is
welded to the torque tube and the front one is shown riveted. Question
is can the front collar be welded also? Any ideas why a rivet is
specified here?
Thanks
--
Rick Holland
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Take a look at clothes dryer wheel they are lignt and rugged.
I didn't see you on the ice iceboating today.
Dale Johnson
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From: Richard Navratil
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel
I usedc the leaf spring with a Matco wheel assy. I don't like it and will be changing
it over the winter. I am going to the design in the plans with a much
lighter wheel. Keep us posted on what you find for a wheel, I will be looking
also.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: TBYH@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel
I want to build my own tailwheel -- don't want to use a tailskid. Would like to
avoid buying a commercial tailwheel assembly. What makes the best tailwheel?
Should I use Bernie's design for the strut and attachment but simply attach a
wheel at the end of the spring steel? What kind of wheel? I think I read that
one fellow used a hockey puck....Am open to suggestions...
By the way -- had to prove it for myself -- bought a nice piece of 5-ply birch
plywood from Home Depot. Stuck a little piece in boiling water -- after two hours
I peeled it apart like a banana! Not that any Piet would be exposed to boiling
water for 2 hours, but I won't be using that stuff in my plane...
Hope you all had a nice Christmas! And will have a happy New Year! "Here's to the
duck that swam in the lake and never lost a feather -- may this time in another
year we'll still all be together..."
Fred B.
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| Subject: | Don't Scare Me Like That |
Fellow builders. I assume that the majority of you =93Piet-Nuts=94 out
there have purchased at least some of your materials from Aircraft
Spruce and Specialty Co. (ASS) =96 abbreviation used with no derogatory
intent
My two sons got together and purchased a Christmas present for me that I
still can=92t believe. It was the complete spruce kit from ASS and,
believe me, I was bowled over. I received the two big packages about
three days before Christmas and really didn=92t have time to look through
the wood until last night. I got in there looking for the =BC=94 x =BD=94 cap
strip stock so I could start making ribs. I did find some cap strip
material in the package, about enough to build two ribs. So, I got on
the phone to find out if there was a problem.
The nice young lady at ASS informed me that cap strip material was not
part of the package. Why not? Because the material that is shipped
varies depending on the engine you intend to use. Oh and by the way it
sells for $8/ft =96 can I transfer you to sales? Now I can understand
that the fuselage stringers might vary in length depending on the engine
used but the plans don=92t say anything about that being the case with cap
strips. In fact, the only wing options I have come across are: 1-piece
or 3-piece. Also, $8/ft seemed a LITTLE high.
Later, after I calmed down a bit, I checked out the ASS web site and
discovered that cap strips of this size sell for $ 0.32/ft. (a
difference of approximately $6,500 vs $150 in materials cost). Now I
hate to say bad things about folks I do not know but this seems a little
over the top.
So, I have two questions for you listers out there:
1) Did your ASS spruce kit include the cap strip material?
2) Have you experienced this level of misinformation when dealing
with ASS?
If the error is mine, please point it out to me. (I wonder what is
really missing from my kit that will cost me $8/ft.)
=91Ol Tom
McPherson, Kansas
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| Subject: | back to the piet finally |
Are you talking about using pine for the ribs only or for the entire
A/C?
Thanks,
Ken
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: back to the piet finally
Sorry Mac,
In Louisiana we refer to pine as Southern Pine. It has strong grains as
spruce and make very nice, strong Piet ribs.
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| Subject: | Re: back to the piet finally |
My reference was to the inquires of cap strip material. HOWEVER, a Piet made
completely with #1 clear southern pine would not be overweight and would fly
like that Louisiana Pelican.Low and slow
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Dick,
What didn't you like about the Matco wheel assy.?
Ted
> Time: 03:30:01 PM PST US
> From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel
>
> I usedc the leaf spring with a Matco wheel assy. I don't like it and will
be changing
> it over the winter. I am going to the design in the plans with a much
> lighter wheel. Keep us posted on what you find for a wheel, I will be
looking
> also.
> Dick N.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
the matco is a fairly heavy unit. one could most likely fabricate something
that weighs half as much.
I, on the otherhand, need the tailweight to counter my Corvair installation
so the Matco fits the bill nicely
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
> <nfn00979@naples.net>
>
> Dick,
>
> What didn't you like about the Matco wheel assy.?
>
> Ted
>> Time: 03:30:01 PM PST US
>> From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel
>>
>> I usedc the leaf spring with a Matco wheel assy. I don't like it and
>> will
> be changing
>> it over the winter. I am going to the design in the plans with a much
>> lighter wheel. Keep us posted on what you find for a wheel, I will be
> looking
>> also.
>> Dick N.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: back to the piet finally |
Depending on where you are in Oregon you should be checking
out Port Orford cedar. Find a wooden boat builder in your area.
Not only is it stronger in all respects than Sitka but lighter too.
Western hemlock is excellent and the same strength as spruce.
Averages slightly lighter but some pieces can be heavier.
My entire plane so far, except the doug fir landing gear, is hemlock.
Red pine is significantly both stronger and heavier but eastern white
pine is significantly weaker and lighter.
Clif, varnishing landing gear.
Just a question on your comment that pine would be stronger than fir. Here in
Oregon our main fir is Douglas Fir, and our main pine is Ponderosa--and Douglas
Fir is definitely stronger than Ponderosa Pine. Which species of pine and
fir are available in your area? I used Western Hemlock for my ribs and it was
good stuff to work with.
Mac in Oregon
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