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1. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: magneto plug wires (cgalley)
2. 08:22 AM - Spar Thickness (Tom Stinemetze)
3. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: magneto plug wires (Michael D Cuy)
4. 08:29 AM - Rubecks Ribs (TBYH@aol.com)
5. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: magneto plug wires (Graham Hansen)
6. 10:06 AM - Re: Spar Thickness ()
7. 11:11 AM - Re: Rubecks Ribs (Jim Ash)
8. 11:20 AM - Re: Tailwheel (horzpool@goldengate.net)
9. 11:23 AM - Re: Tailwheel (horzpool@goldengate.net)
10. 03:43 PM - Torque Tube fit (Richard Schreiber)
11. 05:08 PM - Final Inspection ()
12. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: magneto plug wires (Wizzard187@aol.com)
13. 07:10 PM - Re: Rubecks Ribs (Jim Ash)
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| Subject: | Re: magneto plug wires |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You are right that the firing order is 1,3,2,4 for ALL small 4 cylinder
Continentals
Forget the pictures which may or may not be right. The last AD for my
Bellanca was for a picture in the owners manual that showed the aileron
cables wrong. This was over 50 years after it was first published.
Evidently someone used it to rig and crashed.
Remember that right mag does the top plugs and the other the bottom plugs.
They are not split like Lycomings.
If you run your engine as an A-75 at a faster speed of 2600 instead of 2300,
the book recommends a small timing change. Hope that you have the big rod
ends drilled for squirt oil. Makes a big difference in longevity plus you
can run it faster for the additional 10 HP. Have to use a flatter pitched
prop is the ONLY change necessary.
Remember that if you run the plug wires in the wrong order. If it runs, it
will miss like crazy. Been there, done that..
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: <Wizzard187@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: magneto plug wires
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com
>
> Pieters, I am having a hard time figuring out how to run the wires from
my
> mags on a cont A65. The firing order is 1324 and looking from the pilots
> seat the rotation to the terminals should be clockwise as they drive off
the
> crankshaft gear not the camshaft.
> I have about 4 cont engine overhaul manuals and when I look at the
> wiring diagrams and follow the wires to the cylinders it seems to be 1243.
> Anybody know what I am doing wrong?
> Ken Conrad in warm December ,no snow, Iowa
>
>
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Hi Pieters, I'm back with another dumb question.
The original Piet plans show 1 inch thick spars with routed sections to
save weight. The full-size rib pattern from BHP shows 1 inch thick
spars also. The three piece wing supplemental sheet calls the spars
three quarters of an inch. The Piet wood kit I received from Aircraft
Spruce contains spars that are three quarters of an inch. Since I am
building my wing rib jig now, I need to know which width to set it up
for and whether to contact ASS for a spar exchange. HELP!
'Ol Tom
McPherson Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: magneto plug wires |
In Tony Bingelis's book Firewall Forward he notes that you hook up the
spark plug wires
to the cylinder to fire next so the firing order of your Continental is
1-3-2-4 (those are cylinder numbers
not plug wire numbers) so the first one to fire happens to be cylinder #1
the second one to fire
is cylinder #3, the third one to fire is cylinder #2, the fourth one to
fire is cylinder #4.
Hope this helps, Ken !
Mike C.
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Charlie Rubecks is located in Spencer, IN. I don't have a phone or address. I
purchased a set of ribs from Charlie this past summer at Brodhead. He uses
Port Orford cedar. Very nice ribs. While I can build ribs, they wouldn't be
nearly as nice or as uniform as Charlie's and it would take me two months to build
the 31 ribs for a 3-piece wing. Charlie's are like works of art and I will
feel badly covering them up in the wing...and by the way, I asked a fellow at
Brodhead if $300 was a good deal. Dumb question. He replied that he'd be happy
to build me a set -- for $900! Charlie is building these things at less than
minimum wage rates! He deserves and probably could get much more.
Anyway, that's my rationale for purchasing the ribs from Charlie -- and he
showed me in careful detail how to attach leading and trailing edges.
Got back from Wicks (Highland, IL) last night with some plywood for my Piet's
floor and sides. Wow that's a long drive from Wisconsin! I don't think those
Illinois maps are the correct scale north-south-wise! Wonderful folks. And if
you visit them you must take a tour of their pipe organ factory! Wicks has
been building pipe organs since 1906 or so.. Talk about craftsmanship and just
plain a fascinating process to see...would love to have one of those free
shopping sprees in their wood crib (they use lots of Sitka spruce)!
Oh, get breakfast at Buzzies just around the corner when visiting
Wicks...great food, good service, reasonable prices -- don't mind the railroad
memorabilia. In fact, every time one of us aviator types goes there we should give
them
some airplane pics and signs and help them redecorate...so what if they're
right next to the RR tracks...
Fred B.
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| Subject: | Re: magneto plug wires |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Ken,
Once you have determined the direction of rotation of the magneto
distributor rotor and identified the #1 lead outlet, the magneto sparking
sequence will be 1-2-3-4 in the direction of rotation, starting from #1
outlet. On your A-65, the rotor will turn to the right (as viewed from the
rear of the engine).
The firing order of your Continental A-65 is, as you have noted, 1-3-2-4.
Run the ignition leads from #1 distributor outlet to #1 cylinder, #2
distributor outlet to #3 cylinder, #3 distributor outlet to #2 cylinder and
#4 distributor outlet to #4 cylinder.
As Cy says, the left magneto (as viewed from the rear of the engine) fires
the lower plugs and the right magneto fires the upper plugs.
Hope this helps.
Graham Hansen (In Alberta, Canada where it is snowing and too cold to be
fooling around with Pietenpols.)
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| Subject: | Re: Spar Thickness |
Tom,
It's builders choice. The 3/4" solid spar is easy, simple and equally strong as
the original routed 1" spar.
If you want to experiment with built-up spars using plywood webs and spruce or
fir flanges then you'll want to build your ribs to handle 1" spars.
If you already have the 3/4" spar material then use it, don't complicate your life.
I have a good article from an early '60's Sport Aviation on designing built up
spars. I'll send out a copy to anyone who sends a self-addressed, stamped envelope
to:
Greg Cardinal
5236 Shoreview Ave. So.
Minneapolis, MN 55417
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Stinemetze
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar Thickness
Hi Pieters, I'm back with another dumb question.
The original Piet plans show 1 inch thick spars with routed sections to save
weight. The full-size rib pattern from BHP shows 1 inch thick spars also. The
three piece wing supplemental sheet calls the spars three quarters of an inch.
The Piet wood kit I received from Aircraft Spruce contains spars that are
three quarters of an inch. Since I am building my wing rib jig now, I need to
know which width to set it up for and whether to contact ASS for a spar exchange.
HELP!
'Ol Tom
McPherson Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: Rubecks Ribs |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: horzpool@goldengate.net
Hi Ted
The Matco with spring assy is too heavy, if I can save 5 lb back there
then I can eliminate the 30 amp battery on the firewall. Also there is a
bit of play in the spring/wheel assy which will give the wheel some
ability to lean one way or another could be a problem in controll.
I'm down in your area now for a couple of weeks sailing to the Keys. Any
Piet events coming up around here?
Dick
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
> <nfn00979@naples.net>
>
> Dick,
>
> What didn't you like about the Matco wheel assy.?
>
> Ted
>> Time: 03:30:01 PM PST US
>> From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel
>>
>> I usedc the leaf spring with a Matco wheel assy. I don't like it and
>> will
> be changing
>> it over the winter. I am going to the design in the plans with a much
>> lighter wheel. Keep us posted on what you find for a wheel, I will be
> looking
>> also.
>> Dick N.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: horzpool@goldengate.net
Dale
Keep the Ice nice and slick for me. I'll be home in a couple of weeks.
How did your inspection go? I didnt see a post on it and wasnt able to
get to the last EAA meeting.
Dick
> Richard
> Take a look at clothes dryer wheel they are lignt and rugged.
> I didn't see you on the ice iceboating today.
> Dale Johnson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Navratil
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: 12/26/2004 5:29:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel
>
>
> I usedc the leaf spring with a Matco wheel assy. I don't like it and will
> be changing it over the winter. I am going to the design in the plans
> with a much lighter wheel. Keep us posted on what you find for a wheel, I
> will be looking also.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TBYH@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 3:45 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel
>
>
> I want to build my own tailwheel -- don't want to use a tailskid. Would
> like to avoid buying a commercial tailwheel assembly. What makes the best
> tailwheel? Should I use Bernie's design for the strut and attachment but
> simply attach a wheel at the end of the spring steel? What kind of wheel?
> I think I read that one fellow used a hockey puck....Am open to
> suggestions...
>
> By the way -- had to prove it for myself -- bought a nice piece of 5-ply
> birch plywood from Home Depot. Stuck a little piece in boiling water --
> after two hours I peeled it apart like a banana! Not that any Piet would
> be exposed to boiling water for 2 hours, but I won't be using that stuff
> in my plane...
>
> Hope you all had a nice Christmas! And will have a happy New Year! "Here's
> to the duck that swam in the lake and never lost a feather -- may this
> time in another year we'll still all be together..."
>
> Fred B.
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I just finished the rest of the welding on my torque tube and can't seem to get
it to fit. From previous posts I new this was a problem so I mocked up the torque
tube with wood and plastic. The fit was going to be tight but seemed to work
out. Unfortunately the real thing wont fit. I know that Walt Evans and a couple
of others have notched the rear seat to clear the rear pulley support, but
I hate to do this if their is another solution. Has everyone else run into
this same problem or is it just me? If you have what were the solutions? It looks
like if I make the side leg openings in the front seat wider than the 6 inches
shown on the plans, it may allow the aileron horn enough clearance to get
the torque tube in, but I don't want to hog out more wood if it doesn't work.
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Final Inspection |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Hi Dick,
Dale and I had to re-submit our paperwork to
the MIDO office because they lost the first
package.
I'm meeting with the FAA guy next Tues. or
Wed. The inspection should happen shortly
after that.
Lesson learned? If you live within driving
distance of your local MIDO office, hand
deliver the paperwork. We would have been
flying by now.....
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> horzpool@goldengate.net
>
> Dale
> Keep the Ice nice and slick for me. I'll
> be home in a couple of weeks.
> How did your inspection go? I didnt see a
> post on it and wasnt able to
> get to the last EAA meeting.
> Dick
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: magneto plug wires |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com
Pieter, If you ever look in a cont overhaul manual ,for some reason they are
not drawn up that way. I know you are right but since I can't get it started
I though there might be something I was missing. Thanks for all the help.
Ken in foggy Iowa.
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| Subject: | Re: Rubecks Ribs |
nk.net>
As promised, Charlie's mailing address on the crates is:
Charles Rubeck
RR7 Box 520
Spencer, Indiana 47460
Jim
At 12/30/2004 02:11 PM -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash
>Charlie's phone number is (812) 829-2069.
>
>His address is:
>
>Charles Rubeck
>12225 S Rd
>Spencer, Indiana 47460
>
>I saw a set of Charlie's ribs at the fly mart at the Sun & Fun this year.
>I would have bought them then, but I'd flown to the show (commercially, as
>a passenger) and had no good way to get them home. I asked around and
>found Charlie working in the (where else?) woodworking workshop.
>
>I bought a set from him a couple months ago. They arrived well-packed and
>intact. Well-packed is really an unfair understatement; they were
>beautifully crated in two different hand-made wooden boxes, and the ribs
>were snugly fit inside with foam padding all around. I've never seen
>anything as well-packed. The ribs themselves are beautiful, and he also
>included some of the little rib-related parts (I'm assuming they're
>aileron ends), and a handful of pairs of small chunks of wood, which I'm
>guessing are glue samples (Charlie uses T-88). I asked if the $300/set was
>enough, and that's all he wanted. I felt like I robbed him. In addition to
>the $300, Charlie asked for an additional $25 for crating (also a steal),
>and I paid his UPS costs as a COD.
>
>(The above address is the one I hand-wrote on his business card way back
>when. I'll verify it's the same as the one on the crates tonight).
>
>Jim Ash
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: TBYH@aol.com
>Sent: Dec 30, 2004 11:29 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rubecks Ribs
>
>Charlie Rubecks is located in Spencer, IN. I don't have a phone or
>address. I purchased a set of ribs from Charlie this past summer at
>Brodhead. He uses Port Orford cedar. Very nice ribs. While I can build
>ribs, they
>....
>
>
>Forums.
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