---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/01/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:35 AM - Aileron control horn and stops (Rick Holland) 2. 10:45 AM - Re: Aileron control horn and stops (walt evans) 3. 02:31 PM - Scott tailwheel (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 03:52 PM - Re: Scott tailwheel (Galen Hutcheson) 5. 04:29 PM - Tailwheel (parts4u) 6. 09:11 PM - Re: Aileron control horn and stops (Rcaprd@aol.com) 7. 09:20 PM - Re: Scott tailwheel (Rcaprd@aol.com) 8. 09:29 PM - Re: Spar Thickness (Rcaprd@aol.com) 9. 10:35 PM - Re: Spar Thickness (parts4u) 10. 10:37 PM - Re: Scott tailwheel (parts4u) 11. 10:39 PM - Re: Aileron control horn and stops (parts4u) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:14 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron control horn and stops --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland I saw a picture of a Piet cockpit with an extreamly simple aileron control stop, it was two small wood blocks glued to the cockpit floor under each end of the aileron control horn. Can anyone think of a problem with this? And a question for you folks with flying Piets, what is the distance between the floor and the ends of the aileron control horn at full aileron deflecttion? Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:19 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron control horn and stops --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Rick, That pic could have been mine. Just glued an ash block to the deck under the horn arm, with a piece of leather glued to the top of each. The height was determined by the horn hitting the stop just before the aleron contacted the bottom of the wing. My inspecting DAR liked it. Said it was simple and couldn't fail. (He is a pylon racer in a Cassutt Racer) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron control horn and stops > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland > > I saw a picture of a Piet cockpit with an extreamly simple aileron > control stop, it was two small wood blocks glued to the cockpit floor > under each end of the aileron control horn. Can anyone think of a > problem with this? And a question for you folks with flying Piets, > what is the distance between the floor and the ends of the aileron > control horn at full aileron deflecttion? > > Thanks > > -- > Rick Holland > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:43 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scott tailwheel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Howdy, folks; Well, the Piet is at the welder's today, in line for cabane strut and landing gear repairs. Made the 200 mi. trip on a trailer behind my wimpy little Pathfinder yesterday, but it was worth it for all the stares I got. Anyway, my question is on the Scott 2000 tailwheel, which is the small one with a single "arm" (no fork), solid tire, steerable but with "break-over" free swivel. It's developed a shimmy and seems to have lots of play in the free swivel mechanism. Looking at the price of a replacement arm assembly, it's $169, which makes most of us Pieters pause to see if we really need to spend that kind of money for something. Anybody know if these things can be taken apart and worked on, or am I going to have to just pay the $$ for the replacement? I already know about using different springs on the L and R tailwheel steering chains and will try that prior to taxi tests, but the mechanism does seem to have excessive play anyway. Thanks, and Happy 2005! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:02 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kUemqWfSE+YyIjI/0Gh+bEpZ4xbHAvkKkmMe6BElYHQ4DxjIgILN6ADKZHlzMiOSAqV6R7SVGhLqjdeEcDfSv6gLNINgS7l+zbDpDk39apzgGR4yIZizsypkwwENmwIK0ereUA3VpfkkIUjOL2uqYsozi+YO8ljtUNboGk3X3YE= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scott tailwheel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Oscar, I've disassembled Scott tailwheels before and there are quite a few parts in them. Just keep up with where everything goes. It could be berings making it shimmy. Might neet to replace them. I sure would try working on it before I spent all that money. Some catalongs (I think WagAero for one) has a diagram showing the parts and where they assemble, this could be of great help. Hope it works out for you. How old (worn) is the tailwheel? Happy New Year to all. Doc > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:29 PM PST US From: "parts4u" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "parts4u" It's not the tail wheel . you need anti shim springs on your tail wheel. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:32 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron control horn and stops --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 1/1/05 11:35:38 AM Central Standard Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: << I saw a picture of a Piet cockpit with an extreamly simple aileron control stop, it was two small wood blocks glued to the cockpit floor under each end of the aileron control horn. Can anyone think of a problem with this? And a question for you folks with flying Piets, what is the distance between the floor and the ends of the aileron control horn at full aileron deflecttion? >> Rick, For my aileron stops, I use the inside of my thighs !! There is No Way, I could go full aileron stick, with my feet on the rudder bar. If I move my leg, and go full stick, so the bottom of one aileron touches the aileron spar, there is probably 1/8" or 3/16" between the horn on the stick, and the floor. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:46 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scott tailwheel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 1/1/05 4:32:54 PM Central Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: << my question is on the Scott 2000 tailwheel, which is the small one with a single "arm" (no fork), solid tire, steerable but with "break-over" free swivel. It's developed a shimmy and seems to have lots of play in the free swivel mechanism. Looking at the price of a replacement arm assembly, it's $169, which makes most of us Pieters pause to see if we really need to spend that kind of money for something. Anybody know if these things can be taken apart and worked on, or am I going to have to just pay the $$ for the replacement? I already know about using different springs on the L and R tailwheel steering chains and will try that prior to taxi tests, but the mechanism does seem to have excessive play anyway. >> Oscar, If the top of the vertical axis of the pivot, is pointing too far forward, it will cause a shimmy, and could be what wore out the bearings. That's what happens to shopping carts...someone bangs it into the curb, bends the caster, and that's the cart I seem to always pick. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:57 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar Thickness --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 12/30/04 10:22:26 AM Central Standard Time, stinemetze@mpks.net writes: << The Piet wood kit I received from Aircraft Spruce contains spars that are three quarters of an inch. Since I am building my wing rib jig now, I need to know which width to set it up for and whether to contact ASS for a spar exchange. HELP! >> Tom, Set up your jig for the 3/4" spars, and use the quarter sawn, straight grain, spars that you have. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:30 PM PST US From: "parts4u" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar Thickness --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "parts4u" carry on your ok with 3/4" spars ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar Thickness > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/30/04 10:22:26 AM Central Standard Time, > stinemetze@mpks.net writes: > > << The Piet wood kit I received from Aircraft > Spruce contains spars that are three quarters of an inch. Since I am > building my wing rib jig now, I need to know which width to set it up > for and whether to contact ASS for a spar exchange. HELP! >> > > Tom, > Set up your jig for the 3/4" spars, and use the quarter sawn, straight > grain, > spars that you have. > > Chuck G. > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:51 PM PST US From: "parts4u" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scott tailwheel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "parts4u" replace brass inset bearings are fine put antishimmy springs on ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scott tailwheel > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/1/05 4:32:54 PM Central Standard Time, > taildrags@hotmail.com writes: > > << my question is on the Scott 2000 tailwheel, which is the small one > with a single "arm" (no fork), solid tire, steerable but with "break-over" > free swivel. It's developed a shimmy and seems to have lots of play in > the > free swivel mechanism. Looking at the price of a replacement arm > assembly, > it's $169, which makes most of us Pieters pause to see if we really need > to > spend that kind of money for something. Anybody know if these things can > be > taken apart and worked on, or am I going to have to just pay the $$ for > the > replacement? I already know about using different springs on the L and R > tailwheel steering chains and will try that prior to taxi tests, but the > mechanism does seem to have excessive play anyway. >> > > Oscar, > If the top of the vertical axis of the pivot, is pointing too far forward, > it > will cause a shimmy, and could be what wore out the bearings. That's what > happens to shopping carts...someone bangs it into the curb, bends the > caster, > and that's the cart I seem to always pick. > > Chuck G. > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:07 PM PST US From: "parts4u" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron control horn and stops --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "parts4u" go with what rick said ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron control horn and stops > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/1/05 11:35:38 AM Central Standard Time, > at7000ft@gmail.com writes: > > << I saw a picture of a Piet cockpit with an extreamly simple aileron > control stop, it was two small wood blocks glued to the cockpit floor > under each end of the aileron control horn. Can anyone think of a > problem with this? And a question for you folks with flying Piets, > what is the distance between the floor and the ends of the aileron > control horn at full aileron deflecttion? >> > > Rick, > For my aileron stops, I use the inside of my thighs !! There is No Way, I > could go full aileron stick, with my feet on the rudder bar. If I move my > leg, > and go full stick, so the bottom of one aileron touches the aileron spar, > there is probably 1/8" or 3/16" between the horn on the stick, and the > floor. > > Chuck G. > > >