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1. 06:09 AM - quiet on the list/insurance (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 02:11 PM - Re: missing drawings - help!! (horzpool@goldengate.net)
3. 02:21 PM - Alternate Woods, status report (ANNCARLEK@aol.com)
4. 03:54 PM - aileron control cables (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 04:42 PM - [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
6. 05:55 PM - Horizontal and Vertical stab fittings (Richard Schreiber)
7. 05:55 PM - Missing dwgs - found!! - other news. (tmbrant1@netzero.net)
8. 06:42 PM - Re: quiet on the list/insurance (Darrel E. Jones)
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Subject: | quiet on the list/insurance |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Too quiet on this list, so I'll throw out a question and a comment.
First the comment. My repaired/overhauled carb (from the nose-over
incident) is on its way back to me from the rebuild shop in Corsicana as we
speak. With the carb in hand, I should be able to put in some fuel and fire
the engine to see if we can work on the carb heat situation. Airframe and
landing gear repairs are still underway.
Now the question. Sometime back, a kind soul posted information about
Butler-Brown insurance being very reasonable. My insurance will be coming
up for renewal this year and I was going to apply to Butler-Brown for a
quote but they require that you be a member of Antique Aircraft Association.
Not a big deal; $36 annual membership, which I should be able to afford if
their premiums are better than what I'm paying now. My question is, AAA has
"type clubs", one of which is a Pietenpol association, for additional annual
membership fees. Anyone have any comments as to the value of belonging to
AAA and/or its Pietenpol type club?
Happy Friday-!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: missing drawings - help!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: horzpool@goldengate.net
Tom
I'm out of town till about the 15th. If thats soon enough we can compare
drawings and see whats missing.
Dick N.
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net"
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>
> Can anyone help me? We've cleaned our basement and somehow have lost
> (misplaced I hope) 3 drawings. The tail section, 3 piece wing and regular
> wing dwg with the rib layout. I've found all the others. Anyone around
> MPLS that would be willing to let me make a copy of these??? I have my
> capstrip on order and I'm anxious to get going on the ribs as soon as it
> comes in.
>
> PS: Pietenpol Aircamper dwgs - not GN-1
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tom B.
>
>
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Subject: | Alternate Woods, status report |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com
I do believe that the wood construction phase of my Piet is now virtually
complete. I began in earnest to build Feb. 1, 2002, almost three years ago.
Ive tried to use good Douglas Fir, and Basswood plywood wherever possible.A
year or so ago I compared fuselage weights with someone on the list here, and
I came up with 71 pounds, vs 70 pounds for a spruce fuse. I think that both
fuses were in about the same condition, but nothing definitve can be drawn from
these figures.
I began work on the wings a summer ago, laminating the spars from Fir, 7
layers. The ribs were of fir, with basswood gussets. Ive been working nearly
every day(Im retired), so I have to agree with the year and a half estimate as
a reasonable time to build the wings(and center section ).
So 14 ribs(enough for one side of the wing), weighed very close to 5 pounds.I
truly do not believe that it would make a big difference if the pile weighed
4 pounds, or 6. So strength of wood here is not a problem either because the
capstrips are so large. Each laminated spar weighed 10 pounds at the start of
construction, so I began with 25 pounds of ribs and spars for each wing. Now
the ailerons are installed with piano hinges, and the metal fittings,etc. And
the wing weighs in at ------- pounds(Ill weigh them soon and report).
The wings have really been a pleasure to work on, even if there is a
multitude of parts. I built the tailfeathers first, then the fuse, then the Center
Section, finally the wings. Maybe if I built another Piet, I would do the wings
at the beginning.
We have a 35 Piet on the airport, which is non-flyable, but interesting. It
has a two-piece wing, which I am beginning to think is superior to the Vi
Kapler design, since the aileron control cables can be run directly to each wing.
Im still a little bit perplexed about how one connects the control cables
through the Center Section in such a way that they can be easily re-connected.
Im amazed at the difference the drag and anti-drag wires make to the
rigidity of the wing. I put in some temporary hardware store wires to stiffen the
wing while finishing it.
The fellow next to me is building a scaled Jenny, and has installed 3/32
cables for the drag and anti-drag braces. He uses Cable Bushings rather than
turnbuckles, twisting the cable to achieve the correct tension, after pulling the
cable tightly around the Bushing. It is easy to adjust the tension, each half
twist tightening the cable by about five pounds. His spec. calls for 35#
tension, a figure I think that I will use. I made a set of turnbuckles early on,
so
cost is not a factor, rather the weight saving and simpler hardware seems to
me to be worthwhile.
I bought the folded trailing edge at AS&S. Planning to clean the aluminum
carefully, then to Epoxy the T.E. to the ends of the ribs with T-88.
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Subject: | aileron control cables |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
ANNCARLEK wrote-
>Im still a little bit perplexed about how one connects the control cables
>through the Center Section in such a way that they can be easily
>re-connected.
I can tell you how that works, having just disconnected the cables on
my/Corky's Piet. Very clever. There are inspection covers on the wings
just outboard of the gaps between center section and outboard wing panels,
and you insert a removable link in the lower control cables going to each
aileron. I believe these are like motorcycle master links but with a clevis
pin at each end so you can remove them.
The upper cable, which runs between wings, is accessed through a slot in the
underside of the wing center section above the cockpit. Corky installed a
removable metal (aluminum sheet) panel covering this slot. Up in the slot a
turnbuckle joins the cable and also allows adjusting the tension in the
connecting cable, and of course unscrewing the turnbuckle allows the cable
to disconnect.
I should take a picture, since it's far simpler to see than to explain, but
the wings are 200 miles from the fuselage right now.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Dear Listers,
Tonight, Friday 1/7/2005 at 7pm PDT, I will be working with my Internet
Service Provider to upgrade to a larger IP subnet. I will be
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Thanks for your patience!
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Subject: | Horizontal and Vertical stab fittings |
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I know this was asked on this list once before, but I never found any replies.
I am in the process of attaching the fittings on the horizontal and vertical stabilizers.
Specifically the rear stabilizer fittings that attach the vertical
stab to the horizontal stab and to the rear of the fuselage. My question is
if I drill all of the holes and put the fittings in place before covering, won't
all of the holes drilled through the wood be off by the thickness of the fabric
if the fittings are on the outside of the fabric after final assembly? I
realize that Bernard originally had these fittings under the covering fabric where
this would be a non-issue, but if the fittings are on the outside what do
you do to insure proper alignment?
Also how about the lower tail brace wire fitting. How has everyone mounted this
fitting? Above or below the fabric?
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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Subject: | Missing dwgs - found!! - other news. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
Thanks to all for the offers on copying / emailing dwgs! This list is great..
I was somewhat embarrassed to ask (as if the piet dwgs were priceless works of
art not to be misplaced). My wife had a revelation and looked in a box, and
there they were - happy to be found.
In other news, it seems I've gotten the bug again.. I'm planning to sell my flying
club share (anyone interested) for $3500 or so and then to invest that in
the Piet. Just not flying enough lately to make the club worth it, besides,
I need to find a taildragger and get some lessons. I'd like to switch to taildraggers
altogether. Anyone around KMIC who might know of a good deal on taildragger
time / instruction?? Anyone interested in my Yankee flying club membership?
Tom B.
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Subject: | Re: quiet on the list/insurance |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Darrel E. Jones" <wd6bor@vom.com>
Oscar,
Don't waste your money on the type club. I was a member of the
International Pietenpol Association until AAA took it over, and then saw
no more newsletters for my multiple year membership. After numerous
inquiries, Robert Taylor sent a "double" newsletter out and told
everyone that their membership had been completed. It wasn't until the
Buckeye Pietenpol Association, and then the Brodhead groups came along
that we started getting regular news and information on the Pietenpol
and owners. I had also joined the AAA to get the "great deal" from
Butler and Brown, and also didn't receive the regular newsletters for
that organization. After I let my AAA membership expire, Butler and
Brown contacted me (I suspect Taylor ratted me out) and told me they
were cancelling my policy. I found insurance through an independent
agent who wrote my policy with the same underwriter for the same cost.
I am now insured through the EAA Vintage Divison group policy with AUA,
(800-727-3823). My recommendation would be to join EAA and the Vintage
Division, even though you will pay more for the membership, but your
money won't be going to support Taylor and his kids, and you will be
sure to get a couple of great magazines, EVERY MONTH, no excuses and no
lies.
My two cents (from a happy EAA/VAA'er)
Darrel Jones
Pfiefer Sport N154JP
Sonoma, CA
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Too quiet on this list, so I'll throw out a question and a comment.
>
> First the comment. My repaired/overhauled carb (from the nose-over
> incident) is on its way back to me from the rebuild shop in Corsicana
> as we speak. With the carb in hand, I should be able to put in some
> fuel and fire the engine to see if we can work on the carb heat
> situation. Airframe and landing gear repairs are still underway.
>
> Now the question. Sometime back, a kind soul posted information about
> Butler-Brown insurance being very reasonable. My insurance will be
> coming up for renewal this year and I was going to apply to
> Butler-Brown for a quote but they require that you be a member of
> Antique Aircraft Association. Not a big deal; $36 annual membership,
> which I should be able to afford if their premiums are better than
> what I'm paying now. My question is, AAA has "type clubs", one of
> which is a Pietenpol association, for additional annual membership
> fees. Anyone have any comments as to the value of belonging to AAA
> and/or its Pietenpol type club?
>
> Happy Friday-!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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