---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/07/05: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:09 AM - quiet on the list/insurance (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 02:11 PM - Re: missing drawings - help!! (horzpool@goldengate.net) 3. 02:21 PM - Alternate Woods, status report (ANNCARLEK@aol.com) 4. 03:54 PM - aileron control cables (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 04:42 PM - [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 6. 05:55 PM - Horizontal and Vertical stab fittings (Richard Schreiber) 7. 05:55 PM - Missing dwgs - found!! - other news. (tmbrant1@netzero.net) 8. 06:42 PM - Re: quiet on the list/insurance (Darrel E. Jones) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:01 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: quiet on the list/insurance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Too quiet on this list, so I'll throw out a question and a comment. First the comment. My repaired/overhauled carb (from the nose-over incident) is on its way back to me from the rebuild shop in Corsicana as we speak. With the carb in hand, I should be able to put in some fuel and fire the engine to see if we can work on the carb heat situation. Airframe and landing gear repairs are still underway. Now the question. Sometime back, a kind soul posted information about Butler-Brown insurance being very reasonable. My insurance will be coming up for renewal this year and I was going to apply to Butler-Brown for a quote but they require that you be a member of Antique Aircraft Association. Not a big deal; $36 annual membership, which I should be able to afford if their premiums are better than what I'm paying now. My question is, AAA has "type clubs", one of which is a Pietenpol association, for additional annual membership fees. Anyone have any comments as to the value of belonging to AAA and/or its Pietenpol type club? Happy Friday-! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: missing drawings - help!! From: horzpool@goldengate.net --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: horzpool@goldengate.net Tom I'm out of town till about the 15th. If thats soon enough we can compare drawings and see whats missing. Dick N. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" > > > > Can anyone help me? We've cleaned our basement and somehow have lost > (misplaced I hope) 3 drawings. The tail section, 3 piece wing and regular > wing dwg with the rib layout. I've found all the others. Anyone around > MPLS that would be willing to let me make a copy of these??? I have my > capstrip on order and I'm anxious to get going on the ribs as soon as it > comes in. > > PS: Pietenpol Aircamper dwgs - not GN-1 > > Thanks! > > Tom B. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:02 PM PST US From: ANNCARLEK@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alternate Woods, status report --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com I do believe that the wood construction phase of my Piet is now virtually complete. I began in earnest to build Feb. 1, 2002, almost three years ago. Ive tried to use good Douglas Fir, and Basswood plywood wherever possible.A year or so ago I compared fuselage weights with someone on the list here, and I came up with 71 pounds, vs 70 pounds for a spruce fuse. I think that both fuses were in about the same condition, but nothing definitve can be drawn from these figures. I began work on the wings a summer ago, laminating the spars from Fir, 7 layers. The ribs were of fir, with basswood gussets. Ive been working nearly every day(Im retired), so I have to agree with the year and a half estimate as a reasonable time to build the wings(and center section ). So 14 ribs(enough for one side of the wing), weighed very close to 5 pounds.I truly do not believe that it would make a big difference if the pile weighed 4 pounds, or 6. So strength of wood here is not a problem either because the capstrips are so large. Each laminated spar weighed 10 pounds at the start of construction, so I began with 25 pounds of ribs and spars for each wing. Now the ailerons are installed with piano hinges, and the metal fittings,etc. And the wing weighs in at ------- pounds(Ill weigh them soon and report). The wings have really been a pleasure to work on, even if there is a multitude of parts. I built the tailfeathers first, then the fuse, then the Center Section, finally the wings. Maybe if I built another Piet, I would do the wings at the beginning. We have a 35 Piet on the airport, which is non-flyable, but interesting. It has a two-piece wing, which I am beginning to think is superior to the Vi Kapler design, since the aileron control cables can be run directly to each wing. Im still a little bit perplexed about how one connects the control cables through the Center Section in such a way that they can be easily re-connected. Im amazed at the difference the drag and anti-drag wires make to the rigidity of the wing. I put in some temporary hardware store wires to stiffen the wing while finishing it. The fellow next to me is building a scaled Jenny, and has installed 3/32 cables for the drag and anti-drag braces. He uses Cable Bushings rather than turnbuckles, twisting the cable to achieve the correct tension, after pulling the cable tightly around the Bushing. It is easy to adjust the tension, each half twist tightening the cable by about five pounds. His spec. calls for 35# tension, a figure I think that I will use. I made a set of turnbuckles early on, so cost is not a factor, rather the weight saving and simpler hardware seems to me to be worthwhile. I bought the folded trailing edge at AS&S. Planning to clean the aluminum carefully, then to Epoxy the T.E. to the ends of the ribs with T-88. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:33 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron control cables --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" ANNCARLEK wrote- >Im still a little bit perplexed about how one connects the control cables >through the Center Section in such a way that they can be easily >re-connected. I can tell you how that works, having just disconnected the cables on my/Corky's Piet. Very clever. There are inspection covers on the wings just outboard of the gaps between center section and outboard wing panels, and you insert a removable link in the lower control cables going to each aileron. I believe these are like motorcycle master links but with a clevis pin at each end so you can remove them. The upper cable, which runs between wings, is accessed through a slot in the underside of the wing center section above the cockpit. Corky installed a removable metal (aluminum sheet) panel covering this slot. Up in the slot a turnbuckle joins the cable and also allows adjusting the tension in the connecting cable, and of course unscrewing the turnbuckle allows the cable to disconnect. I should take a picture, since it's far simpler to see than to explain, but the wings are 200 miles from the fuselage right now. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:10 PM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Subject: Pietenpol-List: [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Dear Listers, Tonight, Friday 1/7/2005 at 7pm PDT, I will be working with my Internet Service Provider to upgrade to a larger IP subnet. I will be re-addressing all of the machines on the network including the Matronics Web Server and Matronics Email Server at that time. Name Service will be updated at that time as well and most things should work again pretty quick. There may be some bounced email for a few hours or even a day or so as the new name-to-ip-address resolutions propagate into the depths of the Internet. If you have problems posting a message to one of the Lists or get a bounced message back, please wait a couple of hours and try sending it again. Generally, access to the web site should work within 1-hour of the update or around 8pm PDT. Hopefully the transition will go smoothly and you'll hardly even notice! :-) Thanks for your patience! Matt Dralle List Administrator -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:25 PM PST US s=test1; d=earthlink.net; b=SG0PFHyasGcU54aRFsPNAhZ2BWD6y1wm7SUSMyxenLsbDyiBivG33jxcOyA5adiU; From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal and Vertical stab fittings 0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary I know this was asked on this list once before, but I never found any replies. I am in the process of attaching the fittings on the horizontal and vertical stabilizers. Specifically the rear stabilizer fittings that attach the vertical stab to the horizontal stab and to the rear of the fuselage. My question is if I drill all of the holes and put the fittings in place before covering, won't all of the holes drilled through the wood be off by the thickness of the fabric if the fittings are on the outside of the fabric after final assembly? I realize that Bernard originally had these fittings under the covering fabric where this would be a non-issue, but if the fittings are on the outside what do you do to insure proper alignment? Also how about the lower tail brace wire fitting. How has everyone mounted this fitting? Above or below the fabric? Richard Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:57 PM PST US From: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Missing dwgs - found!! - other news. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" Thanks to all for the offers on copying / emailing dwgs! This list is great.. I was somewhat embarrassed to ask (as if the piet dwgs were priceless works of art not to be misplaced). My wife had a revelation and looked in a box, and there they were - happy to be found. In other news, it seems I've gotten the bug again.. I'm planning to sell my flying club share (anyone interested) for $3500 or so and then to invest that in the Piet. Just not flying enough lately to make the club worth it, besides, I need to find a taildragger and get some lessons. I'd like to switch to taildraggers altogether. Anyone around KMIC who might know of a good deal on taildragger time / instruction?? Anyone interested in my Yankee flying club membership? Tom B. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:25 PM PST US From: "Darrel E. Jones" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: quiet on the list/insurance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Darrel E. Jones" Oscar, Don't waste your money on the type club. I was a member of the International Pietenpol Association until AAA took it over, and then saw no more newsletters for my multiple year membership. After numerous inquiries, Robert Taylor sent a "double" newsletter out and told everyone that their membership had been completed. It wasn't until the Buckeye Pietenpol Association, and then the Brodhead groups came along that we started getting regular news and information on the Pietenpol and owners. I had also joined the AAA to get the "great deal" from Butler and Brown, and also didn't receive the regular newsletters for that organization. After I let my AAA membership expire, Butler and Brown contacted me (I suspect Taylor ratted me out) and told me they were cancelling my policy. I found insurance through an independent agent who wrote my policy with the same underwriter for the same cost. I am now insured through the EAA Vintage Divison group policy with AUA, (800-727-3823). My recommendation would be to join EAA and the Vintage Division, even though you will pay more for the membership, but your money won't be going to support Taylor and his kids, and you will be sure to get a couple of great magazines, EVERY MONTH, no excuses and no lies. My two cents (from a happy EAA/VAA'er) Darrel Jones Pfiefer Sport N154JP Sonoma, CA Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > Too quiet on this list, so I'll throw out a question and a comment. > > First the comment. My repaired/overhauled carb (from the nose-over > incident) is on its way back to me from the rebuild shop in Corsicana > as we speak. With the carb in hand, I should be able to put in some > fuel and fire the engine to see if we can work on the carb heat > situation. Airframe and landing gear repairs are still underway. > > Now the question. Sometime back, a kind soul posted information about > Butler-Brown insurance being very reasonable. My insurance will be > coming up for renewal this year and I was going to apply to > Butler-Brown for a quote but they require that you be a member of > Antique Aircraft Association. Not a big deal; $36 annual membership, > which I should be able to afford if their premiums are better than > what I'm paying now. My question is, AAA has "type clubs", one of > which is a Pietenpol association, for additional annual membership > fees. Anyone have any comments as to the value of belonging to AAA > and/or its Pietenpol type club? > > Happy Friday-! > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >