---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/08/05: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:06 AM - Re: Horizontal and Vertical stab fittings (Rick Holland) 2. 10:35 AM - Re: Horizontal and Vertical stab fittings (Jim Malley) 3. 12:02 PM - Re: Missing dwgs - found!! - other news. (horzpool@goldengate.net) 4. 02:32 PM - good place to get engine hoist? (Mark Hodgson) 5. 03:06 PM - Re: good place to get engine hoist? (Jdavis2a@wmconnect.com) 6. 04:24 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/07/05 (ANNCARLEK@aol.com) 7. 05:35 PM - Deke Slayton Museum Pietenpol (TBYH@aol.com) 8. 07:23 PM - Sat in my first Peit today (Mark Blackwell) 9. 08:16 PM - Re: Sat in my first Peit today (Isablcorky@aol.com) 10. 08:19 PM - Re: good place to get engine hoist? (Lynn Knoll) 11. 09:46 PM - Re: good place to get engine hoist? (Michael McCarty) 12. 11:12 PM - Bunji Struts (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:26 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal and Vertical stab fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland Richard I asked the same question a couple months ago and didn't get an answer so I just put a single thin washer between each fitting and the fin when I measured to drill the hole in the horizontal stab. Won't know if it was necessary until after I cover it. I am mounting all my tail fittings on top of the fabric including the bottom tail wire fitting. Don't know if its the best way, just have seen a lot of Piets done that way. Rick H On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:56:08 -0600, Richard Schreiber wrote: > > > > > I know this was asked on this list once before, but I never found any > replies. I am in the process of attaching the fittings on the horizontal and > vertical stabilizers. Specifically the rear stabilizer fittings that attach > the vertical stab to the horizontal stab and to the rear of the fuselage. > My question is if I drill all of the holes and put the fittings in place > before covering, won't all of the holes drilled through the wood be off by > the thickness of the fabric if the fittings are on the outside of the fabric > after final assembly? I realize that Bernard originally had these fittings > under the covering fabric where this would be a non-issue, but if the > fittings are on the outside what do you do to insure proper alignment? > > Also how about the lower tail brace wire fitting. How has everyone mounted > this fitting? Above or below the fabric? > > > Richard Schreiber > lmforge@earthlink.net > > > > > -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:57 AM PST US From: "Jim Malley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal and Vertical stab fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Malley" Due to the overlap of fabric along the edges and to the fabric tape which you will be placing over that overlap, the total thickness of the multiple layers of fabric is surprising. Fortunately, the only critical implication is the spacing of the bottom rudder hinge. The fin can be raised nearly 1/4 inch by the fabric between it and the stab and the stab and the fuselage. While one washer as a spacer is a good start, you might want to double that and/or make your rudder hinges adjustable. Jim Malley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal and Vertical stab fittings > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland > > Richard > > I asked the same question a couple months ago and didn't get an answer > so I just put a single thin washer between each fitting and the fin > when I measured to drill the hole in the horizontal stab. Won't know > if it was necessary until after I cover it. > > I am mounting all my tail fittings on top of the fabric including the > bottom tail wire fitting. Don't know if its the best way, just have > seen a lot of Piets done that way. > > Rick H > > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:56:08 -0600, Richard Schreiber > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I know this was asked on this list once before, but I never found any > > replies. I am in the process of attaching the fittings on the horizontal and > > vertical stabilizers. Specifically the rear stabilizer fittings that attach > > the vertical stab to the horizontal stab and to the rear of the fuselage. > > My question is if I drill all of the holes and put the fittings in place > > before covering, won't all of the holes drilled through the wood be off by > > the thickness of the fabric if the fittings are on the outside of the fabric > > after final assembly? I realize that Bernard originally had these fittings > > under the covering fabric where this would be a non-issue, but if the > > fittings are on the outside what do you do to insure proper alignment? > > > > Also how about the lower tail brace wire fitting. How has everyone mounted > > this fitting? Above or below the fabric? > > > > > > Richard Schreiber > > lmforge@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Missing dwgs - found!! - other news. From: horzpool@goldengate.net --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: horzpool@goldengate.net Tom Try Dave at Osceola Aviation for the taildragger time. He has a Champ with a C-85. It's pretty close to how the Piet will feel, except for the wind on your face. Dick > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" > > > > Thanks to all for the offers on copying / emailing dwgs! This list is > great.. I was somewhat embarrassed to ask (as if the piet dwgs were > priceless works of art not to be misplaced). My wife had a revelation and > looked in a box, and there they were - happy to be found. > > In other news, it seems I've gotten the bug again.. I'm planning to sell > my flying club share (anyone interested) for $3500 or so and then to > invest that in the Piet. Just not flying enough lately to make the club > worth it, besides, I need to find a taildragger and get some lessons. I'd > like to switch to taildraggers altogether. Anyone around KMIC who might > know of a good deal on taildragger time / instruction?? Anyone interested > in my Yankee flying club membership? > > Tom B. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:48 PM PST US From: Mark Hodgson Subject: Pietenpol-List: good place to get engine hoist? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Hodgson Curious if anyone has experience with Northern Tool and Equipment--got their catalog in the general junk mail a couple of days ago, but saw that they have a small engine hoist for $129. It's cheaper and smaller than even Harbor Freight's, but looks like it's probably enough for handling my Corvair block which I'd like to start working on. Worth the risk? Mark Hodgson ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:20 PM PST US From: Jdavis2a@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good place to get engine hoist? Be sure to check their shipping charges. Sometimes they are a little high. Otherwise I have had good luck with their products JIM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:37 PM PST US From: ANNCARLEK@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/07/05 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com In a message dated 1/7/05 11:08:29 PM, pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com writes: << From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron control cables >> Thanks, Oscar. I am just a poor retired space computer engineer, and would truly never think of something easy! But I'll do it like you say. It would be nice to see a picture! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:05 PM PST US From: TBYH@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Deke Slayton Museum Pietenpol According to the La Crosse Tribune newspaper (La Crosse, Wis.) the other day a Pietenpol Air Camper has been donated to the Deke Slayton Museum in Sparta, Wis. Sparta is 25 miles east of La Crosse on I-90. The Piet has been suspended from the ceiling of the museum. I don't know who donated the Piet but will check it out, get some pics and report later. For the younger Piet builders, Deke Slayton was one of the original Mercury program astronauts but did not fly due to a suspected heart murmur -- he did, however, fly later on one of the Apollo/Skylab/Soyuz (I believe that's correct) missions. Deke was originally from Sparta and flew P-51s in WW2. He died a few years ago after heading up a private space launch venture that was similar in vision to Burt Rutan's enterprise. FWIW -- I flipped my Piet fuselage right side up on the bench this past week. I am now in the process of adding the top cross braces and will add instrument panels, controls, seats and rear fairing in the coming weeks... BTW, has anyone considered using the solid aluminum disc wheels as installed on the Harley Davidson "Fat Boy" motorcycles in recent years. There are many of these wheels currently for sale on e-Bay at reasonable prices. They look 1920s period, at least they do to me (especially if they were painted to match the airplane). I don't know what the big Harleys weigh, but I suspect these=20are much stronger than a spoked motorcycle wheel =E2=80=94 and I would think also able to withstand a considerable side load. As they are aluminum, they must also be relatively light. I'd be interested in others' thoughts on this wheel possibility, especially if anyone has used them or seen them used. Regards to all, Fred B. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:24 PM PST US From: Mark Blackwell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sat in my first Peit today --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell Well some things are just never what they seem. Im about 6ft or so and about 220, and shoe horned myself into a Peit this afternoon. I was simply too big to fit in the airplane. Knees hit the panel. Couldn't reach the heel brakes. Head was higher that it probably really needed to be for such an airplane and reaching the throttle required the same technique as driving with a window open and an arm hanging out the window in the breeze. Now building one of the stock ones is out of the question, but did anyone ever come up with plans based on the orginal that would be for a guy the size of Bernie? Mark > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:53 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sat in my first Peit today Contact me direct if you really want some suggested changes for size. Don't want the fury of the purists on my neck Corky ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:53 PM PST US From: "Lynn Knoll" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good place to get engine hoist? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn Knoll" Mark, From my experience the most useful shop tool for tear down is a engine stand that enables the engine to be rotated. I have a Harbor Freight hoist also but it mostly takes up space but is a very handy and safe way to mount and demount the engine.I consider the Harbor Freight hoist a quality product. Lynn Knoll Wichita - Piet/Vair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hodgson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: good place to get engine hoist? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Hodgson > > Curious if anyone has experience with Northern Tool and Equipment--got > their catalog in the general junk mail a couple of days ago, but saw that > they have a small engine hoist for $129. It's cheaper and smaller than > even > Harbor Freight's, but looks like it's probably enough for handling my > Corvair block which I'd like to start working on. Worth the risk? > > Mark Hodgson > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:11 PM PST US From: "Michael McCarty" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good place to get engine hoist? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael McCarty" Almost any cheap hoist would handle a corvair engine. Most of them are made with long arms and legs for hoisting engines out of an auto engine bay and take quite a bit of room to store. If you only need something to lift a corvair engine onto a Piet, you could probably weld up something much more compact or just use a block and tackle from the rafters. At 200 lbs even a 2x4 truss would hold it. -Mike McCarty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hodgson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: good place to get engine hoist? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Hodgson > > Curious if anyone has experience with Northern Tool and Equipment--got > their catalog in the general junk mail a couple of days ago, but saw that > they have a small engine hoist for $129. It's cheaper and smaller than even > Harbor Freight's, but looks like it's probably enough for handling my > Corvair block which I'd like to start working on. Worth the risk? > > Mark Hodgson > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:03 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bunji Struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com Piet Builders, I have a pair of bunji struts, that I replaced with spring struts. They are plans built, except I had to put a slight bend in them, where they criss cross, to eliminate any contact, because the lugs were not offset enough. They have the plans type plugs to retain the bunji's. Also a few extra bunji chords. If anyone needs 'em, they are yours for FREE - you pay shipping. e-mail me direct. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG Wichita, KS