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1. 06:13 AM - minimum fuel (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: Sat in my first Peit today (Phillips, Jack)
3. 07:01 AM - Re: Sat in my first Peit today ()
4. 07:08 AM - Re: Sat in my first Peit today (Joe Krzes)
5. 07:38 AM - Re: update on N74DV (Hodgson, Mark O)
6. 07:44 AM - Re: Sat in my first Peit today (Phillips, Jack)
7. 07:46 AM - Re: Sat in my first Peit today (Phillips, Jack)
8. 08:05 AM - Re: Sat in my first Peit today (Rick Holland)
9. 08:55 AM - Old Airports and lack of hangers (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
10. 08:59 AM - Re: Sat in my first Peit today (greg menoche)
11. 09:37 AM - Turnbuckles and A/C Cable (Galen Hutcheson)
12. 09:37 AM - Corvair Piet on ebay (Michael D Cuy)
13. 10:30 AM - Re: Sat in my first Peit today (Phillips, Jack)
14. 11:51 PM - Re: update on N74DV (Clif Dawson)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Dick wrote-
>This is a piddly point, but the min fuel spec if you are using an A-65 is
>about 5 gal.
I used the weight & balance numbers that Corky used in his paperwork when he
got the plane inspected, and he showed 2 gal. The engine really does burn
about 4 gal./hr., so a 30 min. reserve is 2 gal. and that creates a worse
case than 5 unless you're using a fuel tank in the wing center section
(which this plane doesn't have).
We're splitting hairs here, since we know that on occasion some pilots will
even burn the last drop of fuel in the tank and still not make it safely
back to an airport (accident statistics show that). The condition we're
examining for would be one of those "boy, I sure should have stopped at that
last airport for fuel" deals, the little wire isn't sticking out of the fuel
cap very much at all, it's the end of the day, you're tired, and in
unfamiliar territory. To then have to land the airplane with an aft CG
condition is to create a scenario for a problem.
Thanks for all the help, guys! PS- it looks like the welding work should be
all done by next week, when we'll move to the wood and fabric repairs. It
depends on how quickly we can get streamline tubing for the wing cabanes...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Sat in my first Peit today |
Ken,
I think I made the turtledeck 1-1/2" taller at the rear of the rear
cockpit, and tapered the height down to plans height at the tail. I
made my formers circular arcs (layed them out on AutoCAD) and spaced the
stringers an even distance around the arcs, with the stringers
perpendicular to the arc at each former. This results in each stringer
being curved except the center stringer, but the curves are very gentle
(and look nice, to my eye). Of course, after the stringers are located,
the formers get cut down a bit so they won't touch the fabric. I've
attached a photo that shows the stringers and their formers, as well as
the small spruce strips placed in between the stringers in the
midsection between each former to prevent the fabric shrinking from
warping the stringers (a little trick advised by Mike Cuy). I apologize
for the long download, for those with dial-up modems - I don't have a
low resolution copy of the picture.
I don't remember what radius I used for my formers, but as I recall, the
radii decrease as you move towrd the tail, in such a way that they
describe a cone, whose axis is parallel to the upper longerons (does
that make sense? Perhaps I can draw a sketch and send it to you).
Jack Phillips
Halfway through building the new stabilizer for NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
Jack
Do you happen to remember your turtledeck dimensions?
You mentioned that you raised it a couple of inches - was that across
the board for all the turtledecks or did you use some other method of
smoothing it out?
I ask because I'm about your height - and because I'm crazy about the
looks of your airplane.
Ken in Austin, who's putting off mountains of work on the hold house to
squeeze in a little Piet time.
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| Subject: | Sat in my first Peit today |
Jack,
What a beautiful airplane. Do you have a web site?
Jack Textor
Des Moines
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| Subject: | Sat in my first Peit today |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Joe Krzes" <jkrzes@hotmail.com>
Jack,
Thanks for the picture. I noticed small spacers in the tail ribs. Were
these also added to prevent the fabric from warping/distorting the tail
ribs?
Joe
>From: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:18:53 -0800
>the small spruce strips placed in between the stringers in the
>midsection between each former to prevent the fabric shrinking from
>warping the stringers (a little trick advised by Mike Cuy).
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: update on N74DV |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
DJ,
This plays to one of my worst fears, projected maybe 4 years in the
future, BUT when I got on my EAA chapter's hangar waiting list, I had
some interesting discussions. One member tied down his Aeronca Champ
for something like 8 years before selling it, and it was airworthy and
regularly flown right up until then. Granted, the Champ is tube and
fabric, but isn't its spar wood? He claimed it wasn't a problem AND
we're talking New England, which gets a tad more precip and cold than
Arizona. Second, it may be undignified, but you could tie down with a
Cover-It hangar depending on the airport manager or their policies
(http://www.coverit.com/). I hope you find a solution because I could
easily be in a similar boat when I complete my labor of love. I can
either have faith that this can be solved or make lawn furniture, I
suppose, and lawn furniture is a lot more boring.
Mark Hodgson
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| Subject: | Sat in my first Peit today |
Thanks, Jack.
I do have a website, at:
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep16
<http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep16&groupid130718&ck>
&groupid130718&ck , but I haven't updated it in quite a while. I need
to post the pictures of my first flight, and probably the pictures of my
recent crash (my fault, not the airplane's). I'm currently hard at work
rebuilding the Piet and hope to have it at Brodhead this summer.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
Jack,
What a beautiful airplane. Do you have a web site?
Jack Textor
Des Moines
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| Subject: | Sat in my first Peit today |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
Hi Joe,
Good to see you on the list - haven't heard from you in a while. Yes, I
saw spacers liek that on a Pietenpol under construction at Brodhead in
2000 and they looked like a good idea so I copied them. Helps to keep
the ribs in shape when ribstitching.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Joe Krzes" <jkrzes@hotmail.com>
Jack,
Thanks for the picture. I noticed small spacers in the tail ribs.
Were
these also added to prevent the fabric from warping/distorting the tail
ribs?
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Sat in my first Peit today |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Good points Mark. Few current and past Piet builders have professional
aircraft design experience. I sure don't. And along the same lines I
never welded a thing before starting my Piet but I took a TIG class
and bought a TIG machine and am welding my controls now. When I first
started this thing I assumed no one flew any aircraft that wasn't
welded by a professional, licensed, bonded, and insured genuine
aircraft welder (in some countries that is a requirement). I redesign
based on what has been proven to work in flying Piets built by the
great people on this newsgroup and every other Piet builder I can find
(Broadhead is an oasis in that regard).
This is an aspect of homebuilding that kit-plane builders may never
understand, the detailed learning aspects of Piet building, learning
the whys and why nots and alternatives. With a complete kit you
certainly learn a lot but may never have to weld, cut, or bend metal
or figure out what AN bolt to use, lay up fiberglass, etc. , thats all
provided for you (insert bolt 12A in hole T3 and screw on nut n7).
For Piet builders its like that saying 'getting there is half the
fun'. For me building and learning is most of the fun, some builders
have even said that finally flying their Piet was anti-climatic after
the building process.
Rick H.
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:39:05 -0500, Mark Blackwell <aerialphotos@dp.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell <aerialphotos@dp.net>
>
> My point was that I knew it could be modified, but I do not pretend to
> know even close to enough to know what can and can not be changed from
> plans and still be safe.
>
> I would need some fairly significant changes. Raising the height of the
> wing from the fuselage would be one Id want to have at least some
> forward vis and that opens the door to many potential problems. So does
> adding length an width potentially to a fuselage. If a revised set of
> plans for a big guy were available Id buy them.
>
> I didn't mean to start the purist debate. If a set of plans were
> available that had the alterations made and been reviewed by someone
> more versed in these matters than myself, Id go that route. Im a pilot
> not a designer. I just might mistake something that is a big deal for
> something that isn't and I want to be here to complain when I do not get
> my social security checks. Any airplane, even an aircraft as simple as
> a Piet can and will bite if not treated with respect. For that matter
> any airplane that has survived and thrived as long as a Piet deserves
> that anyway.
>
> Mark
>
> Mark
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
--
Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Old Airports and lack of hangers |
http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/
I visited the above website as recommended by Mike Whaley in regard to DJ and
other folks having a lack of hanger space and affordable shelter at their
respective airfields. It's a really neat website, especially for anyone having
an
interest in old airfields. Worth a looksie.
Buying a piece of land and establishing your own "legal" landing strip is
getting more difficult these days, especially along border states, because of
9-11 and people running drugs from Mexico. (My "airport" is not too far from
Crawford, Texas and I bet it's impossible to establish a landing site near the
President's ranch. And even if you did, you'd have to keep your airplane grounded
a lot of the time.) I'm happy that I built my airport in 1995 when there
wasn't a lot of hoops and hurdles to go through, but for many people, building
you
own grass strip and hanger and such isn't an option.
I think AOPA and EAA might be a resource for aviators in need of a shelter
for their airplanes. Here in Texas, we have a few airport managers (Abilene ABI
is an example) where the local airport manager doesn't give a flip about the
"little guy" who owns an airplane having something less than two engines and
especially something as humble as a Pietenpol. Too many airport managers have
tunnel vision on big iron and they want to run-off tube and fabric flyers and
old wooden airplanes from their fields. In the past, ABI had a supportive
airport manager, but the trend is for new managers only to support corporate and
commercial aviation.
In Texas, if an airport is getting money from the state, our Texas Department
of Transportation (TxDOT Aviation Division) has been very helpful in letting
bozo airport managers and FBOs know they ARE NOT supposed to be renting
hangers to people who want to shelter their motorhomes, boats or other non-aviation
related items, if an aviator is in need of a space. I also think that AOPA is
aggressive in this regard but I haven't seen EAA taking a lead on this,
although they might be, I'm just not aware of EAA efforts to help out in this
problem.
Sterling Brooks
EAA 695308
AOPA 01014359
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| Subject: | Sat in my first Peit today |
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles and A/C Cable |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Hello Gang,
Here is a website that carries A/C cable and
turnbuckles. http://www.blairwirerope.com/
Has anyone on the list had any experience with them?
I don't know of the pricing as yet as I just emailed
them for a catalog. Any response is appreciated.
Thaks,
Doc
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http://my.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Corvair Piet on ebay |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys-- I just noticed that Carl Loar has his Corvair powered Air Camper on
ebay.
Mike C.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4518186263&category=63679&sspagename=WDVW
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| Subject: | Sat in my first Peit today |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: greg menoche
Those metal "boxes" are the comm radio and intercom (on the right) and
transponder and blind encoder (on the left). That was the only place I
could think of to mount them, and it actually works very well - they are
easily seen and accessed from the rear cockpit, but they don't even show
up to most onlookers unless they are pointed out, so they don't detract
from the antique look of the airplane.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: greg menoche [mailto:gnwac@earthlink.net]
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sat in my first Peit today
Jack, what are the metal boxes under the wing tank? Your plane looks
great too!
Greg Menoche
Delaware
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| Subject: | Re: update on N74DV |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
I'm sure Bernard is looking down at us and chortling away.
What did he design this thing for anyway? Get it done. Get
it in the air. go flying! And yet here am I turning it into some
piece of Louie the Fourteenth furniture. You should see these
fantastic burl veneers I lucked into for my cockpit panels.
Jaguar eat your heart out! But you know what? I have known
right from the first stick that I would never be able to afford a
hanger. Everywhere I look there's planes out in the sun and
rain year round for their entire life. And think of those youngsters
that might hang out at the local strip. They're gonna develop
some love for what? dead closed up industrial buildings or the
real live, in your face, honest to god flying machines that can be
touched and smelt. We need them! Those future aviators.
For what it's worth, there's wood and fabric airplanes around
here that have been out in the weather for 30 years that fly regularly.
Average rainfall? 72 inches. Average temps? -5 to 90F.
Clif, on the Wetcoast of North America.
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
>
> DJ,
>
> This plays to one of my worst fears, projected maybe 4 years in the
> future, BUT when I got on my EAA chapter's hangar waiting list, I had
> some interesting discussions. One member tied down his Aeronca Champ
> for something like 8 years before selling it, and it was airworthy and
> regularly flown right up until then. Granted, the Champ is tube and
> fabric, but isn't its spar wood? He claimed it wasn't a problem AND
> we're talking New England, which gets a tad more precip and cold than
> Arizona. Second, it may be undignified, but you could tie down with a
> Cover-It hangar depending on the airport manager or their policies
> (http://www.coverit.com/). I hope you find a solution because I could
> easily be in a similar boat when I complete my labor of love. I can
> either have faith that this can be solved or make lawn furniture, I
> suppose, and lawn furniture is a lot more boring.
>
> Mark Hodgson
>
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