Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 01/14/05


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 04:16 AM - Re: update on N74DV (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
     2. 04:46 AM - Re: update on N74DV (Jim Thursby)
     3. 07:56 AM - Re: Old Airports and lack of hangers (Rick Holland)
     4. 07:57 AM - Re: update on N74DV (Greg Bacon)
     5. 11:17 AM - Re: update on N74DV (Eric Williams)
     6. 04:30 PM - Re: update on N74DV (Mike Luther)
     7. 05:39 PM - Re: Old Airports and lack of hangers (Gary Gower)
     8. 05:54 PM - Re: update on N74DV (Gary Gower)
     9. 08:01 PM - Mountain Piet update as requested (Greg Bacon)
    10. 10:23 PM - Re: update on N74DV (Clif Dawson)
    11. 11:21 PM - Re: Mountain Piet update as requested (Gary Gower)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:16:36 AM PST US
    From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
    Subject: Re: update on N74DV
    Here is a picture of the inside tailcone of a "new" Pietenpol that had never flown, and sat in a carport with "protection" from the rain on 3 sides and covered by a tarp. The wood rot in this "new" and never flown Pietenpol is sickening. I doubt I would like to park a handmade wooden airplane outside, even if I lived in Arizona. I've seen DJs airplane at his house and it is a masterpiece and it deserves being sheltered in a hanger, if not a 40 X 30 trophy case when not being flown. They might not get a lot of rain in Arizona, but they get violent chinook winds that states east of the Pecos River don't get.


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    Time: 04:46:07 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: update on N74DV
    I think what people mean to say is that with proper varnishing/epoxy coatings and drain holes, wood will last outside just fine. Your example did not display signs of having either done to it. FWIW I parked my Fisher FP303 outside on a grass strip in Massachusetts for three years without a problem. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N321TX@wmconnect.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:15 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV Here is a picture of the inside tailcone of a "new" Pietenpol that had never flown, and sat in a carport with "protection" from the rain on 3 sides and covered by a tarp. The wood rot in this "new" and never flown Pietenpol is sickening. I doubt I would like to park a handmade wooden airplane outside, even if I lived in Arizona. I've seen DJs airplane at his house and it is a masterpiece and it deserves being sheltered in a hanger, if not a 40 X 30 trophy case when not being flown. They might not get a lot of rain in Arizona, but they get violent chinook winds that states east of the Pecos River don't get.


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    Time: 07:56:56 AM PST US
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Old Airports and lack of hangers
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> May be part of the reason that powered parachutes are so popular. Don't need airports or hangers. On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:54:43 EST, N321TX@wmconnect.com <N321TX@wmconnect.com> wrote: > http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/ > > I visited the above website as recommended by Mike Whaley in regard to DJ > and other folks having a lack of hanger space and affordable shelter at > their respective airfields. It's a really neat website, especially for > anyone having an interest in old airfields. Worth a looksie. > > Buying a piece of land and establishing your own "legal" landing strip is > getting more difficult these days, especially along border states, because > of 9-11 and people running drugs from Mexico. (My "airport" is not too far > from Crawford, Texas and I bet it's impossible to establish a landing site > near the President's ranch. And even if you did, you'd have to keep your > airplane grounded a lot of the time.) I'm happy that I built my airport in > 1995 when there wasn't a lot of hoops and hurdles to go through, but for > many people, building you own grass strip and hanger and such isn't an > option. > > I think AOPA and EAA might be a resource for aviators in need of a shelter > for their airplanes. Here in Texas, we have a few airport managers (Abilene > ABI is an example) where the local airport manager doesn't give a flip about > the "little guy" who owns an airplane having something less than two engines > and especially something as humble as a Pietenpol. Too many airport managers > have tunnel vision on big iron and they want to run-off tube and fabric > flyers and old wooden airplanes from their fields. In the past, ABI had a > supportive airport manager, but the trend is for new managers only to > support corporate and commercial aviation. > > In Texas, if an airport is getting money from the state, our Texas > Department of Transportation (TxDOT Aviation Division) has been very helpful > in letting bozo airport managers and FBOs know they ARE NOT supposed to be > renting hangers to people who want to shelter their motorhomes, boats or > other non-aviation related items, if an aviator is in need of a space. I > also think that AOPA is aggressive in this regard but I haven't seen EAA > taking a lead on this, although they might be, I'm just not aware of EAA > efforts to help out in this problem. > > Sterling Brooks > EAA 695308 > AOPA 01014359 > > > > -- Rick Holland


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    Time: 07:57:31 AM PST US
    From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@direcway.com>
    Subject: Re: update on N74DV
    <00c601c4fa0d$5f7e2d40$4e705118@dawsonaviation> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@direcway.com> DJ, If you can't find a reasonably close hangar, park it outside, fly it, enjoy life. Seize the day. I was just about to give up my dream of aircraft ownership because I just couldn't justify the cost. My good friend, Greg Cardinal, pointed out the fact that you can never "justify the cost" of owning an aircraft that you don't really need. You become an airplane owner because it's your dream. Greg's words changed my mind and my life. I've had a Cherokee 140, a Corben Jr. Ace, and I'm now the proud owner of the wounded Mountain Piet. Consequently, after moving home to Missouri, I couldn't find hangar space close by for my 140. I kept it hangared 1.5 hours away in Macon, MO for about a year. I decided to find land suitable for a grass strip. I now live on 75 acres with an 1850 ft grass strip and a pole barn for a hangar. I can't quantify how much aviation has enriched my life and the people I share it with. Enrich your life! Fly it. Fly it. Fly it. Even if it suffers minor wear and tear from being in the elements, your life will be way better than if you never fly YOUR homebuilt aircraft! Greg Bacon Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> > > I'm sure Bernard is looking down at us and chortling away. > What did he design this thing for anyway? Get it done. Get > it in the air. go flying! And yet here am I turning it into some > piece of Louie the Fourteenth furniture. You should see these > fantastic burl veneers I lucked into for my cockpit panels. > Jaguar eat your heart out! But you know what? I have known > right from the first stick that I would never be able to afford a > hanger. Everywhere I look there's planes out in the sun and > rain year round for their entire life. And think of those youngsters > that might hang out at the local strip. They're gonna develop > some love for what? dead closed up industrial buildings or the > real live, in your face, honest to god flying machines that can be > touched and smelt. We need them! Those future aviators. > For what it's worth, there's wood and fabric airplanes around > here that have been out in the weather for 30 years that fly regularly. > Average rainfall? 72 inches. Average temps? -5 to 90F. > > Clif, on the Wetcoast of North America. > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> > > > > DJ, > > > > This plays to one of my worst fears, projected maybe 4 years in the > > future, BUT when I got on my EAA chapter's hangar waiting list, I had > > some interesting discussions. One member tied down his Aeronca Champ > > for something like 8 years before selling it, and it was airworthy and > > regularly flown right up until then. Granted, the Champ is tube and > > fabric, but isn't its spar wood? He claimed it wasn't a problem AND > > we're talking New England, which gets a tad more precip and cold than > > Arizona. Second, it may be undignified, but you could tie down with a > > Cover-It hangar depending on the airport manager or their policies > > (http://www.coverit.com/). I hope you find a solution because I could > > easily be in a similar boat when I complete my labor of love. I can > > either have faith that this can be solved or make lawn furniture, I > > suppose, and lawn furniture is a lot more boring. > > > > Mark Hodgson > > > >


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    Time: 11:17:09 AM PST US
    From: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: update on N74DV
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com> I like what you said there Greg - quite inspirational actually. With regard to DJ's plane being outside, what about some sort of wing covers. I saw a picture somewhere (I think on the Sonex Yahoo site) of a plane with some kind of wing covers on it. I guess it would protect from the UV degradation effects from the sun and maybe even provide some level of protection from hail etc. You could probably have something custom made at a boat cover shop for a few hundred bucks (notice that if you say "bucks" it doesn't sounds quite so bad). At any rate DJ, I think we've all been looking forward to your beautiful airplane taking flight and for you to sell it would probably require some of us to seek counciling from the despair. Don't do it man... don't do it. Eric W. >From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@direcway.com> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:45:07 -0600 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@direcway.com> > >DJ, > >If you can't find a reasonably close hangar, park it outside, fly it, enjoy >life. Seize the day. > >I was just about to give up my dream of aircraft ownership because I just >couldn't justify the cost. My good friend, Greg Cardinal, pointed out the >fact that you can never "justify the cost" of owning an aircraft that you >don't really need. You become an airplane owner because it's your dream. >Greg's words changed my mind and my life. I've had a Cherokee 140, a >Corben >Jr. Ace, and I'm now the proud owner of the wounded Mountain Piet. >Consequently, after moving home to Missouri, I couldn't find hangar space >close by for my 140. I kept it hangared 1.5 hours away in Macon, MO for >about a year. I decided to find land suitable for a grass strip. I now >live on 75 acres with an 1850 ft grass strip and a pole barn for a hangar. >I can't quantify how much aviation has enriched my life and the people I >share it with. > >Enrich your life! Fly it. Fly it. Fly it. Even if it suffers minor wear >and tear from being in the elements, your life will be way better than if >you never fly YOUR homebuilt aircraft! > >Greg Bacon >Missouri >


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    Time: 04:30:59 PM PST US
    From: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net>
    Subject: Re: update on N74DV
    <00c601c4fa0d$5f7e2d40$4e705118@dawsonaviation> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net> Clif: I thought that I was the only fellow that had burl veneer cockpit panels. Mine are California madrone burl that we had leftover from a fancy job at a cabinet shop where I used to work. Made me a bit nervous to cut the holes for my instruments. Sure, if I had my way I would like to have a $75,000 dollar hangar that had in floor heat and a private strip and a $250,000 dollar house to go with it. But, the $60.00 dollar a month tie down fee at Merrill field will be the best that I can do. So, I have plans to bring my Piet home to my garage for the months of Nov thru March for maintainence. At least I am within walking distance of the airport, so I fully intend to keep the air flowing thru the fuselage as often as is possible. Any chance that I have, I like to drive thru Merill Field and look at literally hundreds of airplanes tied down. Big kid that I am. Easy to tell which airplanes are cared for and which aren't. Some planes have nice wing covers and cowl covers and others have an accumulation of two feet of snow by the end of the winter. Yes I know that wood is higher maintainence than say, stainless steel or concrete. Duh! If a persons takes care of his machine, then the machine will take care of him. If a guy wants to let his plane sit and dry rot, then I would blame the person and not the machine's environment. Mike Luther NX1953M Anchorage, Alaska do not archive Clif Dawson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> > > I'm sure Bernard is looking down at us and chortling away. > What did he design this thing for anyway? Get it done. Get > it in the air. go flying! And yet here am I turning it into some > piece of Louie the Fourteenth furniture. You should see these > fantastic burl veneers I lucked into for my cockpit panels. > Jaguar eat your heart out! But you know what? I have known > right from the first stick that I would never be able to afford a > hanger. Everywhere I look there's planes out in the sun and > rain year round for their entire life. And think of those youngsters > that might hang out at the local strip. They're gonna develop > some love for what? dead closed up industrial buildings or the > real live, in your face, honest to god flying machines that can be > touched and smelt. We need them! Those future aviators. > For what it's worth, there's wood and fabric airplanes around > here that have been out in the weather for 30 years that fly regularly. > Average rainfall? 72 inches. Average temps? -5 to 90F. > > Clif, on the Wetcoast of North America. > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> > > > > DJ, > > > > This plays to one of my worst fears, projected maybe 4 years in the > > future, BUT when I got on my EAA chapter's hangar waiting list, I had > > some interesting discussions. One member tied down his Aeronca Champ > > for something like 8 years before selling it, and it was airworthy and > > regularly flown right up until then. Granted, the Champ is tube and > > fabric, but isn't its spar wood? He claimed it wasn't a problem AND > > we're talking New England, which gets a tad more precip and cold than > > Arizona. Second, it may be undignified, but you could tie down with a > > Cover-It hangar depending on the airport manager or their policies > > (http://www.coverit.com/). I hope you find a solution because I could > > easily be in a similar boat when I complete my labor of love. I can > > either have faith that this can be solved or make lawn furniture, I > > suppose, and lawn furniture is a lot more boring. > > > > Mark Hodgson > > > >


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    Time: 05:39:40 PM PST US
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    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Old Airports and lack of hangers
    Yes, BUT they are more weather limited than ultralights or hang gliders. Saludos Gary Gower do not archive Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland May be part of the reason that powered parachutes are so popular. Don't need airports or hangers. On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:54:43 EST, N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote: > http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/ > > I visited the above website as recommended by Mike Whaley in regard to DJ > and other folks having a lack of hanger space and affordable shelter at > their respective airfields. It's a really neat website, especially for > anyone having an interest in old airfields. Worth a looksie. > > Buying a piece of land and establishing your own "legal" landing strip is > getting more difficult these days, especially along border states, because > of 9-11 and people running drugs from Mexico. (My "airport" is not too far > from Crawford, Texas and I bet it's impossible to establish a landing site > near the President's ranch. And even if you did, you'd have to keep your > airplane grounded a lot of the time.) I'm happy that I built my airport in > 1995 when there wasn't a lot of hoops and hurdles to go through, but for > many people, building you own grass strip and hanger and such isn't an > option. > > I think AOPA and EAA might be a resource for aviators in need of a shelter > for their airplanes. Here in Texas, we have a few airport managers (Abilene > ABI is an example) where the local airport manager doesn't give a flip about > the "little guy" who owns an airplane having something less than two engines > and especially something as humble as a Pietenpol. Too many airport managers > have tunnel vision on big iron and they want to run-off tube and fabric > flyers and old wooden airplanes from their fields. In the past, ABI had a > supportive airport manager, but the trend is for new managers only to > support corporate and commercial aviation. > > In Texas, if an airport is getting money from the state, our Texas > Department of Transportation (TxDOT Aviation Division) has been very helpful > in letting bozo airport managers and FBOs know they ARE NOT supposed to be > renting hangers to people who want to shelter their motorhomes, boats or > other non-aviation related items, if an aviator is in need of a space. I > also think that AOPA is aggressive in this regard but I haven't seen EAA > taking a lead on this, although they might be, I'm just not aware of EAA > efforts to help out in this problem. > > Sterling Brooks > EAA 695308 > AOPA 01014359 > -- Rick Holland ---------------------------------


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    Time: 05:54:22 PM PST US
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    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: update on N74DV
    Reading Gregs post, I had a crazy idea... If you cant keep it in a hangar, fly it and keep it outside covered. with out a project to build spend your evenings and early nights in another project (a Piet or one that will use the same engine) when you finish the new project (3 -5 years) if the old and highly flow and enjoyed Piet is too rusted, put the mechanical parts in the new airplane and beguin a new cicle.... Is better than watching TV for the rest of your life :-) :-) :-) Just kidding, but possible. Greg now a real Piet question: Any update on the Montain Piet rebuild? we miss that airplane in the list. Keep it building. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. Greg Bacon <gbacon67@direcway.com> wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Greg Bacon DJ, If you can't find a reasonably close hangar, park it outside, fly it, enjoy life. Seize the day. I was just about to give up my dream of aircraft ownership because I just couldn't justify the cost. My good friend, Greg Cardinal, pointed out the fact that you can never "justify the cost" of owning an aircraft that you don't really need. You become an airplane owner because it's your dream. Greg's words changed my mind and my life. I've had a Cherokee 140, a Corben Jr. Ace, and I'm now the proud owner of the wounded Mountain Piet. Consequently, after moving home to Missouri, I couldn't find hangar space close by for my 140. I kept it hangared 1.5 hours away in Macon, MO for about a year. I decided to find land suitable for a grass strip. I now live on 75 acres with an 1850 ft grass strip and a pole barn for a hangar. I can't quantify how much aviation has enriched my life and the people I share it with. Enrich your life! Fly it. Fly it. Fly it. Even if it suffers minor wear and tear from being in the elements, your life will be way better than if you never fly YOUR homebuilt aircraft! Greg Bacon Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > I'm sure Bernard is looking down at us and chortling away. > What did he design this thing for anyway? Get it done. Get > it in the air. go flying! And yet here am I turning it into some > piece of Louie the Fourteenth furniture. You should see these > fantastic burl veneers I lucked into for my cockpit panels. > Jaguar eat your heart out! But you know what? I have known > right from the first stick that I would never be able to afford a > hanger. Everywhere I look there's planes out in the sun and > rain year round for their entire life. And think of those youngsters > that might hang out at the local strip. They're gonna develop > some love for what? dead closed up industrial buildings or the > real live, in your face, honest to god flying machines that can be > touched and smelt. We need them! Those future aviators. > For what it's worth, there's wood and fabric airplanes around > here that have been out in the weather for 30 years that fly regularly. > Average rainfall? 72 inches. Average temps? -5 to 90F. > > Clif, on the Wetcoast of North America. > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" > > > > DJ, > > > > This plays to one of my worst fears, projected maybe 4 years in the > > future, BUT when I got on my EAA chapter's hangar waiting list, I had > > some interesting discussions. One member tied down his Aeronca Champ > > for something like 8 years before selling it, and it was airworthy and > > regularly flown right up until then. Granted, the Champ is tube and > > fabric, but isn't its spar wood? He claimed it wasn't a problem AND > > we're talking New England, which gets a tad more precip and cold than > > Arizona. Second, it may be undignified, but you could tie down with a > > Cover-It hangar depending on the airport manager or their policies > > (http://www.coverit.com/). I hope you find a solution because I could > > easily be in a similar boat when I complete my labor of love. I can > > either have faith that this can be solved or make lawn furniture, I > > suppose, and lawn furniture is a lot more boring. > > > > Mark Hodgson > > > >


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    Time: 08:01:41 PM PST US
    From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@direcway.com>
    Subject: Mountain Piet update as requested
    Mountain Piet update: The ribs are finished. Charlie Rubek did a wonderful job on them. I picked up the rest of the wood needed to rebuild the left wing panel and the center section (if needed) at Wicks. Got a cool tour of the Wicks pipe organ factory that is across the street from the aircraft supply store. It seems that the Wicks got started in the organ business and later began selling aircraft grade wood. Spruce is used in the construction of the wind box and several other critical areas of the organ. At any rate, I recommend checking out the organ factory if you are in the viscinity of Highland, IL. They might even let you raid the scrap wood bins if your nice. My next step is to construct a wing build table and actually begin wing building. Currently, I'm in the middle of a house building project of which I'm the general contractor. So, this is my priority and focus. With a little luck, we'll be living in it this June or earlier. Then the mtn piet will be the priority. DJ's hangar problem: Gary, did I detect a hint of sarcasm in your circle of construction theory? On the serious side, I have an idea that's worth considering. Instead of passively waiting on a hangar list, actively seek out someone currently in a hangar that would share the space and the rent. I would visit the airport of choice on a Saturday, visit with anyone with an open hangar, put the word out, and do some networking to find your future hangar buddy. You might even try to obtain a list of renters and contact them, or make flyers and slip them under the hangar doors. A newspaper add might even yield results. Think out of the "box". A friend of mine saw a lot on a lake near his house that he thought would be a great place to build a new home on. The lot was not on the market at that time. He did a little research, contacted the owner and discussed the possibility of selling. The owner had actually been considering selling the lot for quite a while. So, they arrived at a fair price, made a deal, and everyone was happy. Good luck DJ! Greg Bacon Missouri Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Gower To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV Reading Gregs post, I had a crazy idea... If you cant keep it in a hangar, fly it and keep it outside covered. with out a project to build spend your evenings and early nights in another project (a Piet or one that will use the same engine) when you finish the new project (3 -5 years) if the old and highly flow and enjoyed Piet is too rusted, put the mechanical parts in the new airplane and beguin a new cicle.... Is better than watching TV for the rest of your life :-) :-) :-) Just kidding, but possible. Greg now a real Piet question: Any update on the Montain Piet rebuild? we miss that airplane in the list. Keep it building. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. Greg Bacon <gbacon67@direcway.com> wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Greg Bacon DJ, If you can't find a reasonably close hangar, park it outside, fly it, enjoy life. Seize the day. I was just about to give up my dream of aircraft ownership because I just couldn't justify the cost. My good friend, Greg Cardinal, pointed out the fact that you can never "justify the cost" of owning an aircraft that you don't really need. You become an airplane owner because it's your dream. Greg's words changed my mind and my life. I've had a Cherokee 140, a Corben Jr. Ace, and I'm now the proud owner of the wounded Mountain Piet. Consequently, after moving home to Missouri, I couldn't find hangar space close by for my 140. I kept it hangared 1.5 hours away in Macon, MO for about a year. I decided to find land suitable for a grass strip. I now live o n 75 acres with an 1850 ft grass strip and a pole barn for a hangar. I can't quantify how much aviation has enriched my life and the people I share it with. Enrich your life! Fly it. Fly it. Fly it. Even if it suffers minor wear and tear from being in the elements, your life will be way better than if you never fly YOUR homebuilt aircraft! Greg Bacon Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif Dawson" To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:48 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > I'm sure Bernard is looking down at us and chortling away. > What did he design this thing for anyway? Get it done. Get > it in the air. go flying! And yet here am I turning it into some > piece of Louie the Fourteenth furniture. You should see these > fantastic burl veneers I lucked into for my cockpit panels. > Jaguar eat your heart out! But you know what? I have known > right from the first stick that I would never be able to afford a > hanger. Everywhere I look there's planes out in the sun and > rain year round for their entire life. And think of those youngsters > that might hang out at the local strip. They're gonna develop > some love for what? dead closed up industrial buildings or the > real live, in your face, honest to god flying machines that can be > touched and smelt. We need them! Those future aviators. > For what it's worth, there's wood and fabric airplanes around > here that have been out in the weather for 30 years that fly regularly. > Average rainfall? 72 inches. Average temps? -5 to 90=B0F. > > Clif, on the Wetcoast of North America. > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" > > > > DJ, > > > > This plays to one of my worst fears, projected maybe 4 years in the > > future, BUT when I got on my EAA chapter's hangar waiting list, I had > > some interesting discussions. One member tied down his Aeronca Champ > > for something like 8 years before selling it, and it was airworthy and > > regularly flown right up until then. Granted, the Champ is tube and > > fabric, but isn't its spar wood? He claimed it wasn't a problem AND > > we're talking New England, which gets a tad more precip and cold than > > Arizona. Second, it may be undignified, but you could tie down with a > > Cover-It hangar depending on the airport manager or their policies > > (http://www.coverit.com/). I hope you find a solution because I could > > easily be in a similar boat when I complete my labor of love. I can > > either have


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    Time: 10:23:33 PM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: update on N74DV
    <00c601c4fa0d$5f7e2d40$4e705118@dawsonaviation> <41E85EB5.2B3E9A96@gci.net> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> Not any more Mike :-) I have no idea what this wood is. I've never seen anything like it. I'll be varnishing and sanding this weekend. Mostly on the LG legs but the panels will get attention so maybe I can get some pics up on my site. Your right, it's tough to cut holes in something like this. The panels are big ovals so I cut an outside pattern and moved it around the panels till it seemed right then placed instrument cutouts on it and moved them around until I got crosseyed. So in the end what it is is what it is. As per the hanger question, remember Ferris Bueller's buddy? His old man's Ferrari didn't fair too well in the end, did it? :-) :-) Oh, I'm such a nasty old crow. :-) Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Luther" <luther@gci.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net> > > Clif: > > I thought that I was the only fellow that had burl veneer cockpit panels. > Mine are California madrone burl that we had leftover from a fancy job at a > cabinet shop where I used to work. Made me a bit nervous to cut the holes for > my instruments. > Sure, if I had my way I would like to have a $75,000 dollar hangar that had > in floor heat and a private strip and a $250,000 dollar house to go with it. > But, the $60.00 dollar a month tie down fee at Merrill field will be the best > that I can do. So, I have plans to bring my Piet home to my garage for the > months of Nov thru March for maintainence. At least I am within walking > distance of the airport, so I fully intend to keep the air flowing thru the > fuselage as often as is possible. > Any chance that I have, I like to drive thru Merill Field and look at > literally hundreds of airplanes tied down. Big kid that I am. Easy to tell > which airplanes are cared for and which aren't. Some planes have nice wing > covers and cowl covers and others have an accumulation of two feet of snow by > the end of the winter. Yes I know that wood is higher maintainence than say, > stainless steel or concrete. Duh! If a persons takes care of his machine, > then the machine will take care of him. If a guy wants to let his plane sit > and dry rot, then I would blame the person and not the machine's environment. > > Mike Luther > NX1953M > Anchorage, Alaska > > do not archive > > > Clif Dawson wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> > > > > I'm sure Bernard is looking down at us and chortling away. > > What did he design this thing for anyway? Get it done. Get > > it in the air. go flying! And yet here am I turning it into some > > piece of Louie the Fourteenth furniture. You should see these > > fantastic burl veneers I lucked into for my cockpit panels. > > Jaguar eat your heart out! But you know what? I have known > > right from the first stick that I would never be able to afford a > > hanger. Everywhere I look there's planes out in the sun and > > rain year round for their entire life. And think of those youngsters > > that might hang out at the local strip. They're gonna develop > > some love for what? dead closed up industrial buildings or the > > real live, in your face, honest to god flying machines that can be > > touched and smelt. We need them! Those future aviators. > > For what it's worth, there's wood and fabric airplanes around > > here that have been out in the weather for 30 years that fly regularly. > > Average rainfall? 72 inches. Average temps? -5 to 90F. > > > > Clif, on the Wetcoast of North America. > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> > > > > > > DJ, > > > > > > This plays to one of my worst fears, projected maybe 4 years in the > > > future, BUT when I got on my EAA chapter's hangar waiting list, I had > > > some interesting discussions. One member tied down his Aeronca Champ > > > for something like 8 years before selling it, and it was airworthy and > > > regularly flown right up until then. Granted, the Champ is tube and > > > fabric, but isn't its spar wood? He claimed it wasn't a problem AND > > > we're talking New England, which gets a tad more precip and cold than > > > Arizona. Second, it may be undignified, but you could tie down with a > > > Cover-It hangar depending on the airport manager or their policies > > > (http://www.coverit.com/). I hope you find a solution because I could > > > easily be in a similar boat when I complete my labor of love. I can > > > either have faith that this can be solved or make lawn furniture, I > > > suppose, and lawn furniture is a lot more boring. > > > > > > Mark Hodgson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Mountain Piet update as requested
    Hi Greg, Is great to read that there is progress in your Mountain Piet, we all will be happy to see you flying this great airplane... I know job is first, its what gives the money to fly, same happens all over the world. Thanks a lot for the update. No, sorry was not the idea of sarcasm, just with a little joke/serious mode, because it works.... In fact we are a little group here in our club that we havent stop building planes for years... Friends from our Club (and wives) say that we are "compulsive builders", there is always a project to work, sometimes in our own plane, When we dont have a project of our own, we go helping another builders, rebuilding or recovering some wings, or finish an abandoned project... our goal is to build 2 or 3 evenings a week from 7 to about 10 pm. (we all have to work during the day for a living, not retired yet). the other evenings are for the family. Right now there are several planes in the list... Airport: Some local pilots have the same problem with airport space, the GDL international is big and expensive, our club has full membership now, no other option now. So we are talking them to found their own club and build their grass strip. We "paper napking" some numbers and with 10 of them or more, they can beguin and mantain a little modest grass strip for ultralight and light planes... This was the way we started our club twelve years ago.... Saludos Gary Gower. Greg Bacon <gbacon67@direcway.com> wrote: Mountain Piet update: The ribs are finished. Charlie Rubek did a wonderful job on them. I picked up the rest of the wood needed to rebuild the left wing panel and the center section (if needed) at Wicks. Got a cool tour of the Wicks pipe organ factory that is across the street from the aircraft supply store. It seems that the Wicks got started in the organ business and later began selling aircraft grade wood. Spruce is used in the construction of the wind box and several other critical areas of the organ. At any rate, I recommend checking out the organ factory if you are in the viscinity of Highland, IL. They might even let you raid the scrap wood bins if your nice. My next step is to construct a wing build table and actually begin wing building. Currently, I'm in the middle of a house building project of which I'm the general contractor. So, this is my priority and focus. With a little luck, we'll be living in it this June or earlier. Then the mtn piet will be the priority. DJ's hangar problem: Gary, did I detect a hint of sarcasm in your circle of construction theory? On the serious side, I have an idea that's worth considering. Instead of passively waiting on a hangar list, actively seek out someone currently in a hangar that would share the space and the rent. I would visit the airport of choice on a Saturday, visit with anyone with an open hangar, put the word out, and do some networking to find your future hangar buddy. You might even try to obtain a list of renters and contact them, or make flyers and slip them under the hangar doors. A newspaper add might even yield results. Think out of the "box". A friend of mine saw a lot on a lake near his house that he thought would be a great place to build a new home on. The lot was not on the market at that time. He did a little research, contacted the owner and discussed the possibility of selling. The owner had actually been considering selling the lot for quite a while. So, they arrived at a fair price, made a deal, and everyone was happy. Good luck DJ! Greg Bacon Missouri Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV Reading Gregs post, I had a crazy idea... If you cant keep it in a hangar, fly it and keep it outside covered. with out a project to build spend your evenings and early nights in another project (a Piet or one that will use the same engine) when you finish the new project (3 -5 years) if the old and highly flow and enjoyed Piet is too rusted, put the mechanical parts in the new airplane and beguin a new cicle.... Is better than watching TV for the rest of your life :-) :-) :-) Just kidding, but possible. Greg now a real Piet question: Any update on the Montain Piet rebuild? we miss that airplane in the list. Keep it building. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. Greg Bacon <gbacon67@direcway.com> wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Greg Bacon DJ, If you can't find a reasonably close hangar, park it outside, fly it, enjoy life. Seize the day. I was just about to give up my dream of aircraft ownership because I just couldn't justify the cost. My good friend, Greg Cardinal, pointed out the fact that you can never "justify the cost" of owning an aircraft that you don't really need. You become an airplane owner because it's your dream. Greg's words changed my mind and my life. I've had a Cherokee 140, a Corben Jr. Ace, and I'm now the proud owner of the wounded Mountain Piet. Consequently, after moving home to Missouri, I couldn't find hangar space close by for my 140. I kept it hangared 1.5 hours away in Macon, MO for about a year. I decided to find land suitable for a grass strip. I now live o n 75 acres with an 1850 ft grass strip and a pole barn for a hangar. I can't quantify how much aviation has enriched my life and the people I share it with. Enrich your life! Fly it. Fly it. Fly it. Even if it suffers minor wear and tear from being in the elements, your life will be way better than if you never fly YOUR homebuilt aircraft! Greg Bacon Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > I'm sure Bernard is looking down at us and chortling away. > What did he design this thing for anyway? Get it done. Get > it in the air. go flying! And yet here am I turning it into some > piece of Louie the Fourteenth furniture. You should see these > fantastic burl veneers I lucked into for my cockpit panels. > Jaguar eat your heart out! But you know what? I have known > right from the first stick that I would never be able to afford a > hanger. Everywhere I look there's planes out in the sun and > rain year round for their entire life. And think of those youngsters > that might hang out at the local strip. They're gonna develop > some love for what? dead closed up industrial buildings or the > real live, in your face, honest to god flying machines that can be > touched and smelt. We need them! Those future aviators. > For what it's worth, there's wood and fabric airplanes around > here that have been out in the weather for 30 years that fly regularly. > Average rainfall? 72 inches. Average temps? -5 to 90F. > > Clif, on the Wetcoast of North America. > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" > > > > DJ, > > > > This plays to one of my worst fears, projected maybe 4 years in the > > future, BUT when I got on my EAA chapter's hangar waiting list, I had > > some interesting discussions. One member tied down his Aeronca Champ > > for something like 8 years before selling it, and it was airworthy and > > regularly flown right up until then. Granted, the Champ is tube and > > fabric, but isn't its spar wood? He claimed it wasn't a problem AND > > we're talking New England, which gets a tad more precip and cold than > > Arizona. Second, it may be undignified, but you could tie down with a > > Cover-It hangar depending on the airport manager or their policies > > (http://www.coverit.com/). I hope you find a solution because I could > > easily be in a similar boat when I complete my labor of love. I can > > either have ---------------------------------




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