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1. 06:32 AM - Piet "repieters" (rhartwig11@juno.com)
2. 07:51 AM - Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments (TBYH@aol.com)
3. 10:31 AM - Burl wood for panel (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
4. 11:00 AM - Re: Turnbuckles and A/C Cable (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
5. 11:29 AM - Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments ()
6. 11:30 AM - Hanger space in the Phoenix Area (Mike Volckmann)
7. 11:36 AM - Re: Burl wood for panel ()
8. 11:57 AM - Tig question (Rick Holland)
9. 01:10 PM - Re: Burl wood for panel (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 01:42 PM - Burl panel (Mike Luther)
11. 03:12 PM - Re: Burl wood for panel (Dave and Connie)
12. 05:01 PM - Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments (Richard Navratil)
13. 06:05 PM - Need help finding a master cylinder (John and Phyllis Smoyer)
14. 08:09 PM - Re: Need help finding a master cylinder (Mike Luther)
15. 08:41 PM - Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments (Darrel E. Jones)
16. 08:55 PM - Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments, oops! (Darrel E. Jones)
17. 11:24 PM - [ Bill Sayre ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
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| Subject: | Piet "repieters" |
Dear fellow Piet Listers,
Please, Please read the following post that was sent to us all in
December by the provider of the Pietenpol List, Matt Dralle. Matt
provides this wonderful resource to us free of charge (OK, a small
donation.) The least we can do is abide by a few simple rules that he
has set down. If you don't know what he is referring to--or need help in
how to trim off messages you are replying to--or just want to flame
me--drop me an e-mail. Do not archive
Dick Hartwig
rhartwig11@juno.com
Dear Pietenpol Listers,
I've been getting a number of complaints from various members regarding a
bit of List Etiquette. Primarily, the issues have revolved around the
trimming of previous posters text when replying to a message. In one
example I saw recently, the person replying sent a one-line response to a
message and included over *three pages* of quoted text in the
message!! This just fills up the archive and people's email boxes with
lots of useless data.
This issue is specifically addressed in the Pietenpol-List FAQ and Usage
Guidelines found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Specifically, the following paragraph speaks directly to this issue:
"When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!"
Please be courteous and kind to your fellow Listers and to the Archive
file
and take a moment to trim out the unneeded quoted parts of a reply. I
thank you; the Archives thank you; all of the other Listers thank you.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin
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| Subject: | Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments |
One thing that I forgot to pay special attention to while at Brodhead last
summer was how most folks anchor their Piet's seat belt/shoulder
harnesses....What's the recommended method and where to attach them? Anyone have
drawings?
I've got my fuselage all framed up to where I can add controls, landing gear,
instruments, etc., etc. Seat belts would be nice, too. ; )
Enjoyed Greg Bacon's post about Wicks -- I also enjoyed the pipe organ
factory tour when I was there three weeks ago. Don't forget to take an airplane
picture/poster to Buzzie's Diner in Highland (half a block or so from Wick's) if
you stop there for breakfast or lunch...good food, reasonable prices...
Still below zero this sunny but cold Saturday morning up here in Western
Wisconsin (I'm building the Piet fuselage in the basement)...15 below or so again
tonight and tomorrow night. Reminds me of my old history professor at Winona
State U on mornings like this...he'd come staggering into class with icicles
hanging from his beard, and muttering about "the American Siberia." Well, as
Garrison Keillor says, "Up here Mother Nature tries to kill us about six months
out of the year." Builds character...! I imagine I'll here from somebody up
around Fargo ND where it's really cold...
Stay warm -- won't be long until July/Brodhead once again!
Fred B.
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| Subject: | Burl wood for panel |
Can anyone recommend a good source for burl wood for the instrument panel? I
saw a great example of this at Oshkosh last summer and it really made the
cockpit standout.
Also, sometime ago I recall seeing a sample of something I think was called
monkeywood.
I'd like to know a good vendor for such veneer.
Thanks,
Sterling
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| Subject: | Re: Turnbuckles and A/C Cable |
looks like aircraft quality cable. But not aircraft quality hardware.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments |
On NX18235 we attached the pilots seat belt to the fuselage frame that supports
the pilot's seat back.
The pilots shoulder harness is attached to the vertical fin's forward fuselage
attach point with cables running along the turtledeck stringers (the turtledeck
was raised about 4 inches).
Passenger seat belt is attached to brackets which are bolted through the ash cross
member and floorboard.
Passenger shoulder harness is attached to a bracket welded to the aft right cabane
strut (a single, diagonal strap is used for the passenger shoulder harness).
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis (-18 F this morning)
----- Original Message -----
From: TBYH@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments
One thing that I forgot to pay special attention to while at Brodhead last summer
was how most folks anchor their Piet's seat belt/shoulder harnesses....What's
the recommended method and where to attach them? Anyone have drawings? I've
got my fuselage all framed up to where I can add controls, landing gear, instruments,
etc., etc. Seat belts would be nice, too. ; )
Stay warm -- won't be long until July/Brodhead once again!
Fred B.
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| Subject: | Hanger space in the Phoenix Area |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Volckmann <mike_cfi@yahoo.com>
DJ,
I have not yet started my project, haven't even
ordered the plans yet but am getting closer. Part of
what keeps delaying me is the thought of building
something more complicated than a door stop. I have
spent my life as a computer programmer and as a flight
instructor. Never really built anything.
I currently have a hanger at the Goodyear Airport
(GYR) and work at Glendale Airport (GEU) with a little
work rearranging my hanger we could possibly store
your pietenpol in my hanger until you bubbled to the
top of the Falcon Field (FFZ) hanger list. I can be
reached at 602-819-8359 if you want to talk.
Mike
PS Have the hanger to store a bag of parts that will
someday be an Auster J1.
__________________________________
http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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| Subject: | Re: Burl wood for panel |
Rockler, e-bay, or do a Google search on "Wood Veneer". I've attached a small photo
(65KB) of ours. Burled black walnut, bookmatched. Front and rear panels are
successive veneers so the burls match.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl wood for panel
Can anyone recommend a good source for burl wood for the instrument panel? I
saw a great example of this at Oshkosh last summer and it really made the cockpit
standout.
Also, sometime ago I recall seeing a sample of something I think was called monkeywood.
I'd like to know a good vendor for such veneer.
Thanks,
Sterling
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
TIG welders, any problem welding 4130 to stainless? Figured I would
weld a stainless bolt to the top of the rudder bar post instead of a
Cadmiumplated AN bolt (Heard Cadmiumis bad stuff to breathe). Would
you use stainless or ER80 filler rod?
Thanks
--
Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Burl wood for panel |
Try: www.constantines.com
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Clif and Greg and List:
Clif, I am not familiar with Ferris Bueller, so you lost me on that
one. But I will research it until I know what you mean. Or as my
carpenter friends say " I can't smell what you are stepping in."
Greg, I could not resist sending a picture of my cockpit panel. Yours
is awesome looking. Your picture turned out a lot better than mine. I
did notice the machine turning, the caning and the walnut stick grip.
You can see my burl thru the "too" many instruments, but just for fun
can you spot the garden hose, the British caulking gun parts or the
K-Mart freezer bump rail.
List: From now on I will try not to be a Piet repieter and will start a
new message.
Mike Luther
Anchorage (Banana belt) Alaska
NX1953M
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| Subject: | Re: Burl wood for panel |
Try Certainly Wood in East Aurora,
NY. http://www.certainlywood.com/index.htm My wife has dropped some cash
there for marquetry supplies. Neat place to visit.
Dave
N36078 '41 BC-12-65
At 01:00 PM 1/15/2005, N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote:
>Can anyone recommend a good source for burl wood for the instrument panel?
>I saw a great example of this at Oshkosh last summer and it really made
>the cockpit standout.
>
>Also, sometime ago I recall seeing a sample of something I think was
>called monkeywood.
>
>I'd like to know a good vendor for such veneer.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sterling
>-- incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265 - Release Date: 1/14/2005
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| Subject: | Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments |
On a really cold day all you can do is putter with Piet parts, throw in Mike Cuys
video and dream of summer.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: TBYH@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments
One thing that I forgot to pay special attention to while at Brodhead last summer
was how most folks anchor their Piet's seat belt/shoulder harnesses....What's
the recommended method and where to attach them? Anyone have drawings? I've
got my fuselage all framed up to where I can add controls, landing gear, instruments,
etc., etc. Seat belts would be nice, too. ; )
Enjoyed Greg Bacon's post about Wicks -- I also enjoyed the pipe organ factory
tour when I was there three weeks ago. Don't forget to take an airplane picture/poster
to Buzzie's Diner in Highland (half a block or so from Wick's) if you
stop there for breakfast or lunch...good food, reasonable prices...
Still below zero this sunny but cold Saturday morning up here in Western Wisconsin
(I'm building the Piet fuselage in the basement)...15 below or so again
tonight and tomorrow night. Reminds me of my old history professor at Winona State
U on mornings like this...he'd come staggering into class with icicles hanging
from his beard, and muttering about "the American Siberia." Well, as Garrison
Keillor says, "Up here Mother Nature tries to kill us about six months out
of the year." Builds character...! I imagine I'll here from somebody up around
Fargo ND where it's really cold...
Stay warm -- won't be long until July/Brodhead once again!
Fred B.
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| Subject: | Need help finding a master cylinder |
Can anyone advise me on a good source for a brake master cylinder suitable for
a Piet? Thanks to everyone for the informative postings and images. I really
enjoy this group.
Best Regards,
John Smoyer
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| Subject: | Re: Need help finding a master cylinder |
Hi John and Phyllis:
Mine is a Matco MC-5 vertically mounted master cylinder with built in
reservoir from Aircraft Spruce. Price was $73.95 each. I am using this
with the rudder bar set-up. My brakes are activated by the balls of
each foot pushing down on a protruding rod that is connected to a lever
that attaches to the top of the master cylinder. I tried to show you my
setup in the 2 attached pictures. The view of the picture is from the
front with the firewall removed and the camera pointing into the
passenger compartment.
I liked the Scott heal brake idea and I tried to find some that I could
rebuild or buy inexpensively on E-Bay but had no luck . Otherwise they
are $654.00 a pair at Aircraft Spruce.
I am sure that there are atleast 10 different ways to go with the Piet
brake design, but I like mine cause the passenger and pilot can use the
brakes, also I have a set of parking brakes that I use all of the time
back and forth into the garage.
Mike Luther
NX1953M
Anchorage
John and Phyllis Smoyer wrote:
> Can anyone advise me on a good source for a brake master cylinder
> suitable for a Piet? Thanks to everyone for the informative postings
> and images. I really enjoy this group.Best Regards,John Smoyer
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| Subject: | Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Darrel E. Jones" <wd6bor@vom.com>
Fred,
Take a look at the International Stinson Club Technical Manual. Gary
Murdock had made up sketches of the bolt-on brackets needed to put
harnesses in the Stinson. Check the club web site if you don't have the
manual. It is available from Joe Dexter on CD. A must have for 108- owners.
Darrel Jones
Sonoma, CA
N6982M
TBYH@aol.com wrote:
> One thing that I forgot to pay special attention to while at Brodhead
> last summer was how most folks anchor their Piet's seat belt/shoulder
> harnesses....What's the recommended method and where to attach them?
> Anyone have drawings? I've got my fuselage all framed up to where I
> can add controls, landing gear, instruments, etc., etc. Seat belts
> would be nice, too. ; )
>
> Enjoyed Greg Bacon's post about Wicks -- I also enjoyed the pipe organ
> factory tour when I was there three weeks ago. Don't forget to take an
> airplane picture/poster to Buzzie's Diner in Highland (half a block or
> so from Wick's) if you stop there for breakfast or lunch...good food,
> reasonable prices...
>
> Still below zero this sunny but cold Saturday morning up here in
> Western Wisconsin (I'm building the Piet fuselage in the
> basement)...15 below or so again tonight and tomorrow night. Reminds
> me of my old history professor at Winona State U on mornings like
> this...he'd come staggering into class with icicles hanging from his
> beard, and muttering about "the American Siberia." Well, as Garrison
> Keillor says, "Up here Mother Nature tries to kill us about six months
> out of the year." Builds character...! I imagine I'll here from
> somebody up around Fargo ND where it's _really_ cold...
>
> Stay warm -- won't be long until July/Brodhead once again!
> Fred B.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments, oops! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Darrel E. Jones" <wd6bor@vom.com>
It must be too late in the evening. I just posted a reply about
harnesses on my Stinson. I also installed harnesses in my Pietenpol-like
Pfiefer Sport, but it is tube fuselage and all I had to do was wrap the
ends around the cross tubes behind each seat position. A great tutorial
on installing shoulder harnesses is in Tony Bingles's book on Sport
Plane Construction techniques, I think. Flat brackets with through bolts
in shear as high as possible will work best. Try to borrow a copy of
Tony's books if possible. If not, they are available through EAA and
would be my recommendation for first books for a homebuilder's library.
Good luck on the Piet.
Darrel Jones
Pfiefer Sport, Ser.#2
N154JP
TBYH@aol.com wrote:
> One thing that I forgot to pay special attention to while at Brodhead
> last summer was how most folks anchor their Piet's seat belt/shoulder
> harnesses....What's the recommended method and where to attach them?
> Anyone have drawings? I've got my fuselage all framed up to where I
> can add controls, landing gear, instruments, etc., etc. Seat belts
> would be nice, too. ; )
>
> Enjoyed Greg Bacon's post about Wicks -- I also enjoyed the pipe organ
> factory tour when I was there three weeks ago. Don't forget to take an
> airplane picture/poster to Buzzie's Diner in Highland (half a block or
> so from Wick's) if you stop there for breakfast or lunch...good food,
> reasonable prices...
>
> Still below zero this sunny but cold Saturday morning up here in
> Western Wisconsin (I'm building the Piet fuselage in the
> basement)...15 below or so again tonight and tomorrow night. Reminds
> me of my old history professor at Winona State U on mornings like
> this...he'd come staggering into class with icicles hanging from his
> beard, and muttering about "the American Siberia." Well, as Garrison
> Keillor says, "Up here Mother Nature tries to kill us about six months
> out of the year." Builds character...! I imagine I'll here from
> somebody up around Fargo ND where it's _really_ cold...
>
> Stay warm -- won't be long until July/Brodhead once again!
> Fred B.
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