---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/15/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:32 AM - Piet "repieters" (rhartwig11@juno.com) 2. 07:51 AM - Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments (TBYH@aol.com) 3. 10:31 AM - Burl wood for panel (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 4. 11:00 AM - Re: Turnbuckles and A/C Cable (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 5. 11:29 AM - Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments () 6. 11:30 AM - Hanger space in the Phoenix Area (Mike Volckmann) 7. 11:36 AM - Re: Burl wood for panel () 8. 11:57 AM - Tig question (Rick Holland) 9. 01:10 PM - Re: Burl wood for panel (Isablcorky@aol.com) 10. 01:42 PM - Burl panel (Mike Luther) 11. 03:12 PM - Re: Burl wood for panel (Dave and Connie) 12. 05:01 PM - Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments (Richard Navratil) 13. 06:05 PM - Need help finding a master cylinder (John and Phyllis Smoyer) 14. 08:09 PM - Re: Need help finding a master cylinder (Mike Luther) 15. 08:41 PM - Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments (Darrel E. Jones) 16. 08:55 PM - Re: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments, oops! (Darrel E. Jones) 17. 11:24 PM - [ Bill Sayre ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet "repieters" From: rhartwig11@juno.com Dear fellow Piet Listers, Please, Please read the following post that was sent to us all in December by the provider of the Pietenpol List, Matt Dralle. Matt provides this wonderful resource to us free of charge (OK, a small donation.) The least we can do is abide by a few simple rules that he has set down. If you don't know what he is referring to--or need help in how to trim off messages you are replying to--or just want to flame me--drop me an e-mail. Do not archive Dick Hartwig rhartwig11@juno.com Dear Pietenpol Listers, I've been getting a number of complaints from various members regarding a bit of List Etiquette. Primarily, the issues have revolved around the trimming of previous posters text when replying to a message. In one example I saw recently, the person replying sent a one-line response to a message and included over *three pages* of quoted text in the message!! This just fills up the archive and people's email boxes with lots of useless data. This issue is specifically addressed in the Pietenpol-List FAQ and Usage Guidelines found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Specifically, the following paragraph speaks directly to this issue: "When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated!" Please be courteous and kind to your fellow Listers and to the Archive file and take a moment to trim out the unneeded quoted parts of a reply. I thank you; the Archives thank you; all of the other Listers thank you. Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Admin ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:41 AM PST US From: TBYH@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments One thing that I forgot to pay special attention to while at Brodhead last summer was how most folks anchor their Piet's seat belt/shoulder harnesses....What's the recommended method and where to attach them? Anyone have drawings? I've got my fuselage all framed up to where I can add controls, landing gear, instruments, etc., etc. Seat belts would be nice, too. ; ) Enjoyed Greg Bacon's post about Wicks -- I also enjoyed the pipe organ factory tour when I was there three weeks ago. Don't forget to take an airplane picture/poster to Buzzie's Diner in Highland (half a block or so from Wick's) if you stop there for breakfast or lunch...good food, reasonable prices... Still below zero this sunny but cold Saturday morning up here in Western Wisconsin (I'm building the Piet fuselage in the basement)...15 below or so again tonight and tomorrow night. Reminds me of my old history professor at Winona State U on mornings like this...he'd come staggering into class with icicles hanging from his beard, and muttering about "the American Siberia." Well, as Garrison Keillor says, "Up here Mother Nature tries to kill us about six months out of the year." Builds character...! I imagine I'll here from somebody up around Fargo ND where it's really cold... Stay warm -- won't be long until July/Brodhead once again! Fred B. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:24 AM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl wood for panel Can anyone recommend a good source for burl wood for the instrument panel? I saw a great example of this at Oshkosh last summer and it really made the cockpit standout. Also, sometime ago I recall seeing a sample of something I think was called monkeywood. I'd like to know a good vendor for such veneer. Thanks, Sterling ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:19 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles and A/C Cable looks like aircraft quality cable. But not aircraft quality hardware. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:38 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments On NX18235 we attached the pilots seat belt to the fuselage frame that supports the pilot's seat back. The pilots shoulder harness is attached to the vertical fin's forward fuselage attach point with cables running along the turtledeck stringers (the turtledeck was raised about 4 inches). Passenger seat belt is attached to brackets which are bolted through the ash cross member and floorboard. Passenger shoulder harness is attached to a bracket welded to the aft right cabane strut (a single, diagonal strap is used for the passenger shoulder harness). Greg Cardinal Minneapolis (-18 F this morning) ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments One thing that I forgot to pay special attention to while at Brodhead last summer was how most folks anchor their Piet's seat belt/shoulder harnesses....What's the recommended method and where to attach them? Anyone have drawings? I've got my fuselage all framed up to where I can add controls, landing gear, instruments, etc., etc. Seat belts would be nice, too. ; ) Stay warm -- won't be long until July/Brodhead once again! Fred B. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:27 AM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3tMxB6Qx2EaYWl0zmXPdSunur7CWymyZWySCAT+JFLfN1OnLxtFyQfbBl/wblgSbzMcqNUOzUinYI5HYwyY0S5YpGBpXIdjUqbm94x0lNOMI5Jk11T3L9JmqItWYiLkpEkHfK/FVu4cJLCal/51qCC6m+e0oJkqJekTVHDdkLuU= ; From: Mike Volckmann Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hanger space in the Phoenix Area --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Volckmann DJ, I have not yet started my project, haven't even ordered the plans yet but am getting closer. Part of what keeps delaying me is the thought of building something more complicated than a door stop. I have spent my life as a computer programmer and as a flight instructor. Never really built anything. I currently have a hanger at the Goodyear Airport (GYR) and work at Glendale Airport (GEU) with a little work rearranging my hanger we could possibly store your pietenpol in my hanger until you bubbled to the top of the Falcon Field (FFZ) hanger list. I can be reached at 602-819-8359 if you want to talk. Mike PS Have the hanger to store a bag of parts that will someday be an Auster J1. __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:11 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Burl wood for panel Rockler, e-bay, or do a Google search on "Wood Veneer". I've attached a small photo (65KB) of ours. Burled black walnut, bookmatched. Front and rear panels are successive veneers so the burls match. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: N321TX@wmconnect.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl wood for panel Can anyone recommend a good source for burl wood for the instrument panel? I saw a great example of this at Oshkosh last summer and it really made the cockpit standout. Also, sometime ago I recall seeing a sample of something I think was called monkeywood. I'd like to know a good vendor for such veneer. Thanks, Sterling ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:27 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tig question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland TIG welders, any problem welding 4130 to stainless? Figured I would weld a stainless bolt to the top of the rudder bar post instead of a Cadmiumplated AN bolt (Heard Cadmiumis bad stuff to breathe). Would you use stainless or ER80 filler rod? Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:34 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Burl wood for panel Try: www.constantines.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:59 PM PST US From: Mike Luther Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl panel Clif and Greg and List: Clif, I am not familiar with Ferris Bueller, so you lost me on that one. But I will research it until I know what you mean. Or as my carpenter friends say " I can't smell what you are stepping in." Greg, I could not resist sending a picture of my cockpit panel. Yours is awesome looking. Your picture turned out a lot better than mine. I did notice the machine turning, the caning and the walnut stick grip. You can see my burl thru the "too" many instruments, but just for fun can you spot the garden hose, the British caulking gun parts or the K-Mart freezer bump rail. List: From now on I will try not to be a Piet repieter and will start a new message. Mike Luther Anchorage (Banana belt) Alaska NX1953M ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:59 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Burl wood for panel Try Certainly Wood in East Aurora, NY. http://www.certainlywood.com/index.htm My wife has dropped some cash there for marquetry supplies. Neat place to visit. Dave N36078 '41 BC-12-65 At 01:00 PM 1/15/2005, N321TX@wmconnect.com wrote: >Can anyone recommend a good source for burl wood for the instrument panel? >I saw a great example of this at Oshkosh last summer and it really made >the cockpit standout. > >Also, sometime ago I recall seeing a sample of something I think was >called monkeywood. > >I'd like to know a good vendor for such veneer. > >Thanks, > >Sterling >-- incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265 - Release Date: 1/14/2005 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:58 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments On a really cold day all you can do is putter with Piet parts, throw in Mike Cuys video and dream of summer. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments One thing that I forgot to pay special attention to while at Brodhead last summer was how most folks anchor their Piet's seat belt/shoulder harnesses....What's the recommended method and where to attach them? Anyone have drawings? I've got my fuselage all framed up to where I can add controls, landing gear, instruments, etc., etc. Seat belts would be nice, too. ; ) Enjoyed Greg Bacon's post about Wicks -- I also enjoyed the pipe organ factory tour when I was there three weeks ago. Don't forget to take an airplane picture/poster to Buzzie's Diner in Highland (half a block or so from Wick's) if you stop there for breakfast or lunch...good food, reasonable prices... Still below zero this sunny but cold Saturday morning up here in Western Wisconsin (I'm building the Piet fuselage in the basement)...15 below or so again tonight and tomorrow night. Reminds me of my old history professor at Winona State U on mornings like this...he'd come staggering into class with icicles hanging from his beard, and muttering about "the American Siberia." Well, as Garrison Keillor says, "Up here Mother Nature tries to kill us about six months out of the year." Builds character...! I imagine I'll here from somebody up around Fargo ND where it's really cold... Stay warm -- won't be long until July/Brodhead once again! Fred B. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:01 PM PST US From: "John and Phyllis Smoyer" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need help finding a master cylinder Can anyone advise me on a good source for a brake master cylinder suitable for a Piet? Thanks to everyone for the informative postings and images. I really enjoy this group. Best Regards, John Smoyer ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:40 PM PST US From: Mike Luther Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need help finding a master cylinder Hi John and Phyllis: Mine is a Matco MC-5 vertically mounted master cylinder with built in reservoir from Aircraft Spruce. Price was $73.95 each. I am using this with the rudder bar set-up. My brakes are activated by the balls of each foot pushing down on a protruding rod that is connected to a lever that attaches to the top of the master cylinder. I tried to show you my setup in the 2 attached pictures. The view of the picture is from the front with the firewall removed and the camera pointing into the passenger compartment. I liked the Scott heal brake idea and I tried to find some that I could rebuild or buy inexpensively on E-Bay but had no luck . Otherwise they are $654.00 a pair at Aircraft Spruce. I am sure that there are atleast 10 different ways to go with the Piet brake design, but I like mine cause the passenger and pilot can use the brakes, also I have a set of parking brakes that I use all of the time back and forth into the garage. Mike Luther NX1953M Anchorage John and Phyllis Smoyer wrote: > Can anyone advise me on a good source for a brake master cylinder > suitable for a Piet? Thanks to everyone for the informative postings > and images. I really enjoy this group.Best Regards,John Smoyer ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:00 PM PST US From: "Darrel E. Jones" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Darrel E. Jones" Fred, Take a look at the International Stinson Club Technical Manual. Gary Murdock had made up sketches of the bolt-on brackets needed to put harnesses in the Stinson. Check the club web site if you don't have the manual. It is available from Joe Dexter on CD. A must have for 108- owners. Darrel Jones Sonoma, CA N6982M TBYH@aol.com wrote: > One thing that I forgot to pay special attention to while at Brodhead > last summer was how most folks anchor their Piet's seat belt/shoulder > harnesses....What's the recommended method and where to attach them? > Anyone have drawings? I've got my fuselage all framed up to where I > can add controls, landing gear, instruments, etc., etc. Seat belts > would be nice, too. ; ) > > Enjoyed Greg Bacon's post about Wicks -- I also enjoyed the pipe organ > factory tour when I was there three weeks ago. Don't forget to take an > airplane picture/poster to Buzzie's Diner in Highland (half a block or > so from Wick's) if you stop there for breakfast or lunch...good food, > reasonable prices... > > Still below zero this sunny but cold Saturday morning up here in > Western Wisconsin (I'm building the Piet fuselage in the > basement)...15 below or so again tonight and tomorrow night. Reminds > me of my old history professor at Winona State U on mornings like > this...he'd come staggering into class with icicles hanging from his > beard, and muttering about "the American Siberia." Well, as Garrison > Keillor says, "Up here Mother Nature tries to kill us about six months > out of the year." Builds character...! I imagine I'll here from > somebody up around Fargo ND where it's _really_ cold... > > Stay warm -- won't be long until July/Brodhead once again! > Fred B. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:33 PM PST US From: "Darrel E. Jones" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat belt/shoulder harness attachments, oops! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Darrel E. Jones" It must be too late in the evening. I just posted a reply about harnesses on my Stinson. I also installed harnesses in my Pietenpol-like Pfiefer Sport, but it is tube fuselage and all I had to do was wrap the ends around the cross tubes behind each seat position. A great tutorial on installing shoulder harnesses is in Tony Bingles's book on Sport Plane Construction techniques, I think. Flat brackets with through bolts in shear as high as possible will work best. Try to borrow a copy of Tony's books if possible. If not, they are available through EAA and would be my recommendation for first books for a homebuilder's library. Good luck on the Piet. Darrel Jones Pfiefer Sport, Ser.#2 N154JP TBYH@aol.com wrote: > One thing that I forgot to pay special attention to while at Brodhead > last summer was how most folks anchor their Piet's seat belt/shoulder > harnesses....What's the recommended method and where to attach them? > Anyone have drawings? I've got my fuselage all framed up to where I > can add controls, landing gear, instruments, etc., etc. Seat belts > would be nice, too. ; ) > > Enjoyed Greg Bacon's post about Wicks -- I also enjoyed the pipe organ > factory tour when I was there three weeks ago. Don't forget to take an > airplane picture/poster to Buzzie's Diner in Highland (half a block or > so from Wick's) if you stop there for breakfast or lunch...good food, > reasonable prices... > > Still below zero this sunny but cold Saturday morning up here in > Western Wisconsin (I'm building the Piet fuselage in the > basement)...15 below or so again tonight and tomorrow night. Reminds > me of my old history professor at Winona State U on mornings like > this...he'd come staggering into class with icicles hanging from his > beard, and muttering about "the American Siberia." Well, as Garrison > Keillor says, "Up here Mother Nature tries to kill us about six months > out of the year." Builds character...! I imagine I'll here from > somebody up around Fargo ND where it's _really_ cold... > > Stay warm -- won't be long until July/Brodhead once again! > Fred B. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Bill Sayre ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! 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