Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:00 AM - Re: Burl panel (Clif Dawson)
2. 08:20 AM - Seat belts/harnesses/Deke Slayton Museum Piet (TBYH@aol.com)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: Burl panel (Rick Holland)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: Hanger space in the Phoenix Area (Rick Holland)
5. 08:55 AM - Safety strap (Rick Holland)
6. 02:16 PM - Burl Veneer (Mike Luther)
7. 03:24 PM - center section radios (Richard Navratil)
8. 03:28 PM - Re: Need help finding a master cylinder (Richard Navratil)
9. 03:45 PM - Wing rib brace location (NEMuzzy)
10. 04:06 PM - Re: Burl Veneer (walt evans)
11. 04:11 PM - Re: Safety strap (walt evans)
12. 06:58 PM - Re: Need help finding a master cylinder (srmjem)
13. 06:59 PM - Re: Safety strap (Aileron torque tube) (Graham Hansen)
14. 07:10 PM - Burl Veneer Cockpit panel (Mike Luther)
15. 08:36 PM - Re: Wing rib brace location (Rick Holland)
16. 09:06 PM - Re: center section radios (Clif Dawson)
17. 09:15 PM - Re: Wing rib brace location (Clif Dawson)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
It's a movie, "Ferris Buellers's Day Off".
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl panel
> Clif and Greg and List:
>
> Clif, I am not familiar with Ferris Bueller, so you lost me on that
> one. But I will research it until I know what you mean. Or as my
> carpenter friends say " I can't smell what you are stepping in.">
> Mike Luther
> Anchorage (Banana belt) Alaska
> NX1953M
>
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| Subject: | Seat belts/harnesses/Deke Slayton Museum Piet |
Thanks for excellent tips, Greg C. The Bingelis books are excellent, of
course (I wouldn't try to build an airplane without them), and you provided tips
very specific to the Piet -- many thanks again!
Here's an update on the Piet recently put on display at the Deke Slayton
Museum in Sparta, Wis.: According to a follow-up article in today's La Crosse
Tribune newspaper it was built by Raymond Schwarz of Glenview, IL. Took him seven
years to finish in the 1980s. The article also lists nine other people from
Monroe County, Wis., who had built Piets over the years. My only complaint is
that, like too many museums, they hung it from the ceiling -- how can young
people (or other builders) get up close and really see it if it's hanging from
a
20 or 30-foot ceiling? Perhaps they have a floor space issue, but I would feel
bad if they hung it up to "get it away from the kids." BHP would feel bad,
too. My 2 cents...
Have a great day!
Fred B.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Mike, that is one of the nicest instrument panels I have ever seen in
any airplane. Would be interested in knowing where you got that wood
also. I assume it doesn't grow locally up there in the Banana Belt.
RIck H.
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:12:03 -0900, Mike Luther <luther@gci.net> wrote:
> Clif and Greg and List:
>
> Clif, I am not familiar with Ferris Bueller, so you lost me on that
> one. But I will research it until I know what you mean. Or as my
> carpenter friends say " I can't smell what you are stepping in."
>
> Greg, I could not resist sending a picture of my cockpit panel. Yours
> is awesome looking. Your picture turned out a lot better than mine. I
> did notice the machine turning, the caning and the walnut stick grip.
> You can see my burl thru the "too" many instruments, but just for fun
> can you spot the garden hose, the British caulking gun parts or the
> K-Mart freezer bump rail.
>
> List: From now on I will try not to be a Piet repieter and will start a
> new message.
>
> Mike Luther
> Anchorage (Banana belt) Alaska
> NX1953M
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Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger space in the Phoenix Area |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
I am a computer programmer/geek and ex-flight instructor and thought
the same as you at one time. Now I am TIG welding my controls. Just
order the plans and start easy by making a rib jib and just build some
ribs, will only cost you $100 to $200 bucks. You will know after the
4th or 5th rib whether you are cutout to move up to the elite ranks of
Piet Builder. If you decide its not something you want to do you can
hang the ribs you do complete in your office wall at the airport and
impress your flight students.
Rick H
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:01:26 -0800 (PST), Mike Volckmann
<mike_cfi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Volckmann <mike_cfi@yahoo.com>
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> DJ,
>
> I have not yet started my project, haven't even
> ordered the plans yet but am getting closer. Part of
> what keeps delaying me is the thought of building
> something more complicated than a door stop. I have
> spent my life as a computer programmer and as a flight
> instructor. Never really built anything.
>
> I currently have a hanger at the Goodyear Airport
> (GYR) and work at Glendale Airport (GEU) with a little
> work rearranging my hanger we could possibly store
> your pietenpol in my hanger until you bubbled to the
> top of the Falcon Field (FFZ) hanger list. I can be
> reached at 602-819-8359 if you want to talk.
>
> Mike
>
> PS Have the hanger to store a bag of parts that will
> someday be an Auster J1.
>
> __________________________________
> http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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Rick Holland
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
What is the purpose of the safety strap that goes over the torque
tube? To keep the torque from bending up or sideways too much? Can't
find a thing on it in the archieves.
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Rick Holland
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net>
Rick,
Thanks for the compliment. I checked out www.constantines.com They
have all types of veneer and tools etc. I have never dealt with them,
so don't know about their service or quality.
Mike Luther
do not archive
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| Subject: | center section radios |
This question directed to Jack Phillips. I dont have your e_mail address or would
have sent this off line.
A few days ago you posted a pic of your wing center section with the boxes containing
transponder and such. I am very curious about this. Could you post more
detail? Do you leave the transponder in the On position and have another power
switch on the panel? What about VHF? Channging chanels?
This is a great use of space.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Need help finding a master cylinder |
I used a Piper Cherokee emergency brake master cyl. The assy has a hand lever.
One cyl controlls both wheels. With a steerable tailwheel I havent had the need
for individual brakes.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: John and Phyllis Smoyer
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need help finding a master cylinder
Can anyone advise me on a good source for a brake master cylinder suitable for
a Piet? Thanks to everyone for the informative postings and images. I really
enjoy this group.
Best Regards,
John Smoyer
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| Subject: | Wing rib brace location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "NEMuzzy" <list01@GourmetDamage.com>
A simple question-
<<just order the plans and start easy by making a rib jib and just build
some
ribs, will only cost you $100 to $200 bucks. You will know after the
4th or 5th rib whether you are cutout to move up to the elite ranks of
Piet Builder.>>
When you build your ribs, does the diagonal brace at the rear go from the
bottom chord to the top of the rear strut (aswn in the plans and the full
size rib sheet), or from low on the rear spar to the top rib capstrip (as
shown on the Sky Scout rib plan, the BPA newletter sample, & the picture of
the three piece wing)? I have found pictures of ribs on assorted web sites
in each position.
Regards-
Norm Muzzy
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Mike,
Wow!
They said they've been serving woodworkers since 1812.
They can't be all bad!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Luther" <luther@gci.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl Veneer
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net>
>
> Rick,
> Thanks for the compliment. I checked out www.constantines.com They
> have all types of veneer and tools etc. I have never dealt with them,
> so don't know about their service or quality.
>
> Mike Luther
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Safety strap |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Rick,
Guess it's for if the front guy fights you for the controls, and the torque
tube breaks,,,OR the torque tube just breaks! It keeps the tube in
allignment (kind of) and you can get the plane down.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Safety strap
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
> What is the purpose of the safety strap that goes over the torque
> tube? To keep the torque from bending up or sideways too much? Can't
> find a thing on it in the archieves.
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need help finding a master cylinder |
. With a steerable tailwheel I havent had the need for individual brakes.
Dick,
I'm also going to put a single master cylinder with a hand lever to operate
both brakes in my Piet but haven't figured out how to do it yet. Could you
post a picture of your brake system?
Thanks,
Sam
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Safety strap (Aileron torque tube) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Rick,
The earlier F&G Manual plans do not include the safety strap, likely because
the aileron drive cables were attached to the rear control stick about 6"
above the torque tube and ran down to the lower longerons, and out along the
rear lift struts. This imposed a downward load on the torque tube, tending
to keep it in position.
The later drawings by Orrin Hoopman show the aileron drive cables attached
to a vee-type crank welded to the torque tube about halfway along its
length. Since these cables travel upward to the center section, they impose
an upward force on the torque tube. A failure of the front torque tube
attachment could allow the torque tube to swing upward, slackening the
aileron drive cables. Presumably, the safety strap would hold the torque
tube down enough to maintain some aileron control.
When I built my Air Camper 35 years ago, I installed the "safety strap"
according to the Hoopman plans. I had, and still have,a suspicion that there
was a good reason for it being shown on the later plans, and would recommend
using it.
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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| Subject: | Burl Veneer Cockpit panel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net>
Walt and Rick,
I worked for 12 years at the seventh largest Architectural Mill-Cabinet
shop in the country. Their speciality was sequence blueprinted
bookmatched paneling for folks that could afford such luxury.
(Ritz-Carlton, Bill Gates, corporate executive offices etc.) This
company had over 1million square feet of bookmatched veneer flitches on
hand at all times. One day some really nice Madrone burl panels came
thru my department. I went to the back of the shop and I was lucky
enough to find and purchase the burl veneer left over from this
particular panel run.
Rick, Walt says that Constantines' "can't be all bad." So there you
have "the rest of the story."
Mike Luther
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib brace location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
The 1933 plans have it going from the top of the rear spar to the rib bottom.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:10:20 -0600, NEMuzzy <list01@gourmetdamage.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "NEMuzzy" <list01@GourmetDamage.com>
>
> A simple question-
>
> <<just order the plans and start easy by making a rib jib and just build
> some
> ribs, will only cost you $100 to $200 bucks. You will know after the
> 4th or 5th rib whether you are cutout to move up to the elite ranks of
> Piet Builder.>>
>
> When you build your ribs, does the diagonal brace at the rear go from the
> bottom chord to the top of the rear strut (aswn in the plans and the full
> size rib sheet), or from low on the rear spar to the top rib capstrip (as
> shown on the Sky Scout rib plan, the BPA newletter sample, & the picture of
> the three piece wing)? I have found pictures of ribs on assorted web sites
> in each position.
>
> Regards-
> Norm Muzzy
>
>
>
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Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: center section radios |
Jim Malley has had his radios up there for some time.
His plane appears in Mike's video.
Clif
Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section radios
This question directed to Jack Phillips. I dont have your e_mail address or
would have sent this off line.
A few days ago you posted a pic of your wing center section with the boxes containing
transponder and such.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib brace location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
It goes from the TOP of the rear spar downwards and
rearwards to the BOTTOM cap strip.
That's the way it's shown in my 1933 Flying Manual.
On p31 is an expanation of why the change was made.
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "NEMuzzy" <list01@GourmetDamage.com>
> >
> When you build your ribs, does the diagonal brace at the rear go from the
> bottom chord to the top of the rear strut (aswn in the plans and the full
> size rib sheet), or from low on the rear spar to the top rib capstrip (as
> shown on the Sky Scout rib plan, the BPA newletter sample, & the picture
of
> the three piece wing)? I have found pictures of ribs on assorted web
sites
> in each position.
>
> Regards-
> Norm Muzzy
>
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