---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/18/05: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - safety strap-torque tube (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 2. 04:20 AM - Re: burl (Phillips, Jack) 3. 06:40 AM - Re: burl (Isablcorky@aol.com) 4. 07:38 AM - Re: [ Bill Sayre ] : New Email List PhotoShare Avai (Michael D Cuy) 5. 06:41 PM - Re: burl (Clif Dawson) 6. 08:06 PM - Re: update on N74DV (DJ Vegh) 7. 08:32 PM - Re: update on N74DV (NEMuzzy) 8. 09:17 PM - Re: safety strap-torque tube (Catdesign) 9. 11:39 PM - Re: burl (Mike Luther) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:42 AM PST US ETAsAhRT3qeHnLY7YxqvF+8FRhONxVT3PQIUVaLVOuQWPctdgwtQSqxvTyVbgWg= From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: safety strap-torque tube 7.50 BARRACUDA_HEADER_FP56 RBL: Blacklist bl.spamcop [Blocked - see ] --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Ditto what G. Hansen said, but also if you brazed the mounting strap on to the torque tube bearing tubing as shown on the plans it's probably a good idea to have the safety strap. Remember the discussions about brazing 4130 a year or so ago? I left all of my brazed parts on the plane. I figure since hundreds of Piets have been flown with brazed parts(since Don Piet. is still selling old plans without corrections - even safety notations, like "don't braze 4130"- ( mild steel ok to braze) I think brazed parts are ok, but still, install the safety strap. Leon S. Hutchinson Ks. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: burl From: "Phillips, Jack" Whatever it is, it sure is pretty! Jack -----Original Message----- From: Clif Dawson [mailto:CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca] Subject: Pietenpol-List: burl I think I've figured out what my wood is. It has all the characteristics of the catalpa that I have used for carving in the past. I've still got a fair bit left. The reddish veneer I'm not sure of still. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:03 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: burl The larger piece appears to be a high quality honduras cut mahogany ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:51 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy lable! Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: [ Bill Sayre ] : New Email List PhotoShare Avai lable! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Bill Sayre ---- Your Brodhead Fun video and music on the photo share was GREAT !!!! Thank you ! For those who missed it, click on the link below, scroll down a bit and then and double click on the .wmv file. Mike C. > >http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/bannerbill@att.net.01.15.2005/index.html ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:42 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: burl Sometimes wonderful things happen when you least expect it. :-) Corky, I lean in that direction also but not Honduras. True Honduras was logged to extinction by the early part of the last century. There are some very similiar mahogany's from the same general region though. Clif Whatever it is, it sure is pretty! Jack ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:05 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" hey guys.... been in Ireland all week just got back and am trying to catch up to about 200 emails...... Thanks for the words of encouragement.... I'm gonna stick with it and just hope something turns around soon. Leaving it outside on the ramp (even covered) is not an option out here in AZ. Our summer T-storms produce winds in excess of 60mph on a daily basis from late July thru August.... I'd be freaking out with a T-strom hammering down on it. I'm gonna do some looking around and see if I can keep in at Casa Grande (about an hour away). DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > Not any more Mike :-) > > I have no idea what this wood is. I've never seen anything > like it. I'll be varnishing and sanding this weekend. Mostly > on the LG legs but the panels will get attention so maybe > I can get some pics up on my site. > > Your right, it's tough to cut holes in something like this. > The panels are big ovals so I cut an outside pattern and > moved it around the panels till it seemed right then placed > instrument cutouts on it and moved them around until I > got crosseyed. So in the end what it is is what it is. > > As per the hanger question, remember Ferris Bueller's > buddy? His old man's Ferrari didn't fair too well in the > end, did it? :-) :-) > > Oh, I'm such a nasty old crow. :-) Clif > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Luther" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV > > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther >> >> Clif: >> >> I thought that I was the only fellow that had burl veneer cockpit > panels. >> Mine are California madrone burl that we had leftover from a fancy job at > a >> cabinet shop where I used to work. Made me a bit nervous to cut the > holes for >> my instruments. >> Sure, if I had my way I would like to have a $75,000 dollar hangar > that had >> in floor heat and a private strip and a $250,000 dollar house to go with > it. >> But, the $60.00 dollar a month tie down fee at Merrill field will be the > best >> that I can do. So, I have plans to bring my Piet home to my garage for > the >> months of Nov thru March for maintainence. At least I am within walking >> distance of the airport, so I fully intend to keep the air flowing thru > the >> fuselage as often as is possible. >> Any chance that I have, I like to drive thru Merill Field and look at >> literally hundreds of airplanes tied down. Big kid that I am. Easy to > tell >> which airplanes are cared for and which aren't. Some planes have nice > wing >> covers and cowl covers and others have an accumulation of two feet of >> snow > by >> the end of the winter. Yes I know that wood is higher maintainence than > say, >> stainless steel or concrete. Duh! If a persons takes care of his > machine, >> then the machine will take care of him. If a guy wants to let his plane > sit >> and dry rot, then I would blame the person and not the machine's > environment. >> >> Mike Luther >> NX1953M >> Anchorage, Alaska >> >> do not archive >> >> >> >> Clif Dawson wrote: >> >> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson >> > >> > I'm sure Bernard is looking down at us and chortling away. >> > What did he design this thing for anyway? Get it done. Get >> > it in the air. go flying! And yet here am I turning it into some >> > piece of Louie the Fourteenth furniture. You should see these >> > fantastic burl veneers I lucked into for my cockpit panels. >> > Jaguar eat your heart out! But you know what? I have known >> > right from the first stick that I would never be able to afford a >> > hanger. Everywhere I look there's planes out in the sun and >> > rain year round for their entire life. And think of those youngsters >> > that might hang out at the local strip. They're gonna develop >> > some love for what? dead closed up industrial buildings or the >> > real live, in your face, honest to god flying machines that can be >> > touched and smelt. We need them! Those future aviators. >> > For what it's worth, there's wood and fabric airplanes around >> > here that have been out in the weather for 30 years that fly regularly. >> > Average rainfall? 72 inches. Average temps? -5 to 90F. >> > >> > Clif, on the Wetcoast of North America. >> > >> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" > >> > > >> > > DJ, >> > > >> > > This plays to one of my worst fears, projected maybe 4 years in the >> > > future, BUT when I got on my EAA chapter's hangar waiting list, I had >> > > some interesting discussions. One member tied down his Aeronca Champ >> > > for something like 8 years before selling it, and it was airworthy >> > > and >> > > regularly flown right up until then. Granted, the Champ is tube and >> > > fabric, but isn't its spar wood? He claimed it wasn't a problem AND >> > > we're talking New England, which gets a tad more precip and cold than >> > > Arizona. Second, it may be undignified, but you could tie down with >> > > a >> > > Cover-It hangar depending on the airport manager or their policies >> > > (http://www.coverit.com/). I hope you find a solution because I >> > > could >> > > easily be in a similar boat when I complete my labor of love. I can >> > > either have faith that this can be solved or make lawn furniture, I >> > > suppose, and lawn furniture is a lot more boring. >> > > >> > > Mark Hodgson >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:12 PM PST US From: "NEMuzzy" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "NEMuzzy" DJ- You might put an ad in the paper 'wanted to share hanger'. My plane is in the hanger with another one. I know a person with a hanger at the Chandler airport, and they are huge hangers. It would be no problem to put a second plane in there. -Norm ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:32 PM PST US From: "Catdesign" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: safety strap-torque tube --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" >since Don Piet. is still selling old plans without corrections - even >safety notations, like "don't >braze 4130"- mild steel ok to braze The plans do not need to have the warning because the plans do not call for 4130 steel. They actually call for mild steel. I think the only piece called out as chro-molly is the rudder bar but I'd have to check on that. Most people, my self included, choose to use 4130 but I welded mine because I thought that was the best way to do it. However, I'd bet there are a bunch of Piets out there with brazed 4130 (as well as millions of bike frames). I do wish Don would put some kind of a notice on the plans that says, if you choose to use 4130 steel check as to the appropriate welding or brazing process. I think it would help a of people. On a side note, did anyone else read the articles in Sport Aviation (I think November and December 2004?) where the authors tested Oxy-Acetylene, TIG and MIG welding processes with 4130. Read them at my Dads house and now he can't find them again. As I recall they felt all three processes can be used but MIG requires a bit more talent to get a good weld. They also recommended and welding rod RS-80 I think it was. Any one else remember this? Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:28 PM PST US From: Mike Luther Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: burl <00fc01c4fdd0$49713f80$4e705118@dawsonaviation> Clif: Cuban Mahogany ( Swietenia Mahagoni) extinct. Honduras "Mahogany" (Swietenia Macrophylla) still around. Mike L. Clif Dawson wrote: > Sometimes wonderful things happen when you least expect it. :-) Corky, > I lean in that direction also but not Honduras. TrueHonduras was > logged to extinction by the early part of thelast century. There are > some very similiar mahogany's fromthe same general region though. Clif > > > Whatever it is, it sure is pretty! > > Jack > > Do not archive >