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1. 06:12 AM - COntinental A65's on a cold morning (Phillips, Jack)
2. 06:57 AM - Re: COntinental A65's on a cold morning (cgalley)
3. 07:29 AM - Re: COntinental A65's on a cold morning (Phillips, Jack)
4. 07:39 AM - Re: Japanese Pietenpol Air Camper (DJ Vegh)
5. 08:35 AM - Re: COntinental A65's on a cold morning (cgalley)
6. 10:32 AM - Re: COntinental A65's on a cold morning (Galen Hutcheson)
7. 01:01 PM - Continental A-65 in "Black Piet" (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 01:43 PM - Virus, Modern Ford Power (Michael Fisher)
9. 01:51 PM - Re: Next TACO meeting to honor Steve Ruse (Carl Vought)
10. 02:25 PM - Re: Virus, Modern Ford Power (Carl Vought)
11. 02:55 PM - Re: Next TACO meeting to honor Steve Ruse (Steve Ruse)
12. 03:22 PM - Re: continental A65in "Black Piet" (walt evans)
13. 04:32 PM - Peitenpol in Utah (bpjardine@comcast.net)
14. 05:22 PM - Re: Peitenpol in Utah (Doyle Combs)
15. 05:55 PM - Re: Peitenpol in Utah ()
16. 06:03 PM - Re: Peitenpol in Utah (Richard Schreiber)
17. 06:22 PM - Re: Leading Edge Ply (Rcaprd@aol.com)
18. 07:03 PM - Re: Leading Edge Ply (Peter W Johnson)
19. 08:46 PM - Re: Peitenpol in Utah (Catdesign)
20. 11:24 PM - A little something (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | COntinental A65's on a cold morning |
Bert and Les,
I think what you are seeing is pretty common. Continental A65's don't
have an "acceleration pump" on the throttle to help atomize extra fuel
for acceleration. When the engine is cold, a sudden opening of the
throttle tends to suck liquid fuel into the throat of the carburetor,
with the result that the engine sort of chokes and gasps before
beginning to accelerate. It can be quite disconcerting particularly if
you suddenly need a burst of power, to shove the throttle in and have
the engine sit there spluttering for a second or two before beginning to
speed up. It definitely occurs on my Pietenpol and I remember the same
thing happening with my old J-3 Cub. You just need to learn to advance
the throttle very slowly on a cold day. I've never had the engine quit
from this, but it sounds like it is about to quit.
Jack Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: COntinental A65's on a cold morning |
COntinental A65's on a cold morningIt is more serious than you think. Lee Hilbert,
Buck's #3 son, had his A-65 quit because he went from idle to power about
2 weeks ago. Temp was about 5=B0F. He landed, dead stick on Lake Delavan only
to sink thru a weak spot in the ice.
Ruined his entire day and the WIS DNR finded him $440 for polluting the lake.
Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.aeronca.org
Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: Pietenpol-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: COntinental A65's on a cold morning
Bert and Les,
I think what you are seeing is pretty common. Continental A65's don't have an
"acceleration pump" on the throttle to help atomize extra fuel for acceleration.
When the engine is cold, a sudden opening of the throttle tends to suck
liquid fuel into the throat of the carburetor, with the result that the engine
sort of chokes and gasps before beginning to accelerate. It can be quite disconcerting
particularly if you suddenly need a burst of power, to shove the throttle
in and have the engine sit there spluttering for a second or two before
beginning to speed up. It definitely occurs on my Pietenpol and I remember the
same thing happening with my old J-3 Cub. You just need to learn to advance
the throttle very slowly on a cold day. I've never had the engine quit from
this, but it sounds like it is about to quit.
Jack Phillips
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| Subject: | COntinental A65's on a cold morning |
Man! That=A1=AFs terrible! What kind of plane was it? Probably not a Pietenpol
at 5=A2=AAF, but anything with a 65 Continental is a cool airplane
Jack
-----Original Message-----
It is more serious than you think. Lee Hilbert, Buck's #3 son, had his A-65 quit
because he went from idle to power about 2 weeks ago. Temp was about 5=A1=C6F.
He landed, dead stick on Lake Delavan only to sink thru a weak spot in the
ice.
Ruined his entire day and the WIS DNR finded him $440 for polluting the lake.
Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club
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| Subject: | Re: Japanese Pietenpol Air Camper |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
looks good! I think everyone who builds a real Aircamper should build a
model too!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Pietenpol Air Camper
> Thru another builder who contacted me, I learned that a glider
> pilot/mechanic named Mita San
> near Tokyo built an Air Camper years ago and never finished it. He
> intends to someday but for
> now has built this yellow electric r/c Piet which he has flown off the
sand
> beaches of Tokyo bay !
>
> Tora Tora Pietenpol Air Camper !
>
> Mike
----
>
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| Subject: | Re: COntinental A65's on a cold morning |
COntinental A65's on a cold morningIt was an Aeronca 7AC
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: COntinental A65's on a cold morning
Man! That=A1=AFs terrible! What kind of plane was it? Probably not a Pietenpol
at 5=A2=AAF, but anything with a 65 Continental is a cool airplane
Jack
-----Original Message-----
It is more serious than you think. Lee Hilbert, Buck's #3 son, had his A-65 quit
because he went from idle to power about 2 weeks ago. Temp was about 5=A1=C6F.
He landed, dead stick on Lake Delavan only to sink thru a weak spot in the
ice.
Ruined his entire day and the WIS DNR finded him $440 for polluting the lake.
Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club
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| Subject: | Re: COntinental A65's on a cold morning |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Jack is right, you slowly advance the throttle or
advance it in small increments to allow the engine to
catch up. You can flood the carb. enough to kill the
engine. This is especially true on a very cold
engine. Another reason to allow the engine to warm up
before flight on cold days.
Doc
--- "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com> wrote:
> Bert and Les,
>
> You just need to learn to advance
> the throttle very slowly on a cold day.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
>
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| Subject: | Continental A-65 in "Black Piet" |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Les asks-
>I assume that this flat spot and slight black smoke as you speed it up
>is a indication of incorrect float level. I have installed the new delrin
>needle
>with the recommended float weight change.
Not sure if it's a float level issue because you didn't say which carburetor
you're using, but if it's a Stromberg NA-S3 series, it could possibly be.
There is a bit of fussiness about setting the float level but it's been
perfect on mine since Corky set it up and since I changed the carb to one
overhauled by Deanie Montgomery. Deanie puts them on a flow bench to set
them up, but if you want to fool with it there is detailed information in
some articles authored by Neal Wright at
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/engines.htm (under "Technical Help- Neal
Wright on the Stromberg Carburetor"). It has to do with fiddling with the
combination of various thicknesses of float bowl gaskets that come with an
overhaul kit.
You can email Neal at COUGARNFW@aol.com if you want to discuss this specific
problem to see if it's related to the float level.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Virus, Modern Ford Power |
2004)
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher <mfisher@gci.net>
Piet List Members,
I keep getting lengthy, virus infected attachments from Michael D. Cuy
to my personal mailbox. When I asked Mr. Cuy to disinfect the attachment of
the "W32Beagle.AY@mm" virus to reassure my very picky Norton utility, he responded
by advising me to seek assistance by clicking on the "HELP" button.
Perhaps this is not the Michael D. Cuy who is a member of the Pietenpol List.
Does anyone know anything about this?
On a more interesting note, many Pieters are airframe guys; a smaller number are
engine guys. A few like D. J. Vegh and Larry Harrison are both. I am primarily
an engine guy who has a 116 cubic inch Ford Escort engine hanging, inverted,
in a mockup Pietenpol Scout mount on my garage wall. It is currently belt-driven
by a large electric motor to investigate the pressure and scavenge oiling
and fuel injection systems. The truncated oil pan (now on top and no longer
a sump) has a temporary Plexiglas cover through which oil flows can be observed.
Interesting stuff, slow progress, not actively looking for an airframe
yet. Sure would be fun to have it running at Brodhead next July.
Happy landings,
Mike Fisher
Talkeetna, Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: Next TACO meeting to honor Steve Ruse |
Steve...Sorry for the delay in answering your inquiry about the price quote from
US Buildings. We've been out of town for the last ten days. The price I was
quoted on 4/6/04 for a model Q33'-16' which is 33 feet wide and 20 feet long with
max height of 16 feet was $5750.00 delivered to Huntsville, Alabama.. The
person who made the quote was Andrea C. Gimin. You might want to talk to Karen
Smith (factory consultant) first. Do you know they have a free video which they
will send upon request?
...Carl Vought----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Ruse
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:55 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Next TACO meeting to honor Steve Ruse
That sounds like fun Sterling, I can't wait to get it back here and spend spring,
summer, and fall burning Avgas. I'll have the plane here ASAWA (As Soon
As Weather Allows). I'd be glad to drop down into the hill country once I get
it here, there is some great barbeque to be had down there.
Thanks for the welcome everyone...I can't wait to meet more of you. Seems like
a great group.
Later this spring I plan on buying some wood and fabric and re-creating the vertical
and horizontal stabs for a Pietenpol, just to learn more about their construction.
Who knows, maybe one day I'll find time to build an entire Piet.
Steve
Dallas, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N321TX@wmconnect.com
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:19 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Next TACO meeting to honor Steve Ruse
Actually the subject line should read... Next TACO meeting to honor and induct
Steve Ruse and gawk at his new Texas Air Camper...
As soon as Steve has an idea of when he will have his Air Camper in Texas,
and at a time convenient to him, let's have a meeting. Maybe we can tie this into
Mike Cuy's visit. Maybe Corky can swing by? Maybe Oscar will have his repairs
done and can meet us at a location between San Antonio and Dallas if there
isn't a Presidential TFR. Maybe some other Yankees other than Mike can visit?
Just a thought.
Sterling
5TA6
NOTAMS. Fresh cow chips on runway, land at your own risk.
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| Subject: | Re: Virus, Modern Ford Power |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
There was a Mike Fisher who was involved in the tests of a two-cylinder
opposed four stroke Rotax engine. Zat you? The tests apparently didn't go
well or Rotax decided the market wasn't there. I'd like to find out more
about it...Carl Vought
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Fisher" <mfisher@gci.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Virus, Modern Ford Power
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher <mfisher@gci.net>
>
> Piet List Members,
> I keep getting lengthy, virus infected attachments from Michael
D. Cuy to my personal mailbox. When I asked Mr. Cuy to disinfect the
attachment of the "W32Beagle.AY@mm" virus to reassure my very picky Norton
utility, he responded by advising me to seek assistance by clicking on the
"HELP" button.
>
> Perhaps this is not the Michael D. Cuy who is a member of the Pietenpol
List. Does anyone know anything about this?
>
> On a more interesting note, many Pieters are airframe guys; a smaller
number are engine guys. A few like D. J. Vegh and Larry Harrison are both.
I am primarily an engine guy who has a 116 cubic inch Ford Escort engine
hanging, inverted, in a mockup Pietenpol Scout mount on my garage wall. It
is currently belt-driven by a large electric motor to investigate the
pressure and scavenge oiling and fuel injection systems. The truncated oil
pan (now on top and no longer a sump) has a temporary Plexiglas cover
through which oil flows can be observed. Interesting stuff, slow progress,
not actively looking for an airframe yet. Sure would be fun to have it
running at Brodhead next July.
>
>
Happy landings,
>
Mike Fisher
>
Talkeetna, Alaska
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Next TACO meeting to honor Steve Ruse |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
No problem Carl. Thanks for the information...that sounds like a pretty good
deal, especially considering the price of steel lately. So it would probably
end up being over the $10k by the time you finished a small hangar(add a door,
concrete, electrical, etc.).
I didn't know about the video, I'll probably hold off for now, this would be
something I would do a few years down the road, and I had no idea if they were
$5k or $30k. Thanks again for the information though.
For anyone who is curious, it looks like the weekend of February 19th will be
the soonest I can get the GN-1 down here, and that will still depend on the
weather between Indiana and Texas that weekend. I'd guess there is a less than
50% chance that weekend will work out...but hopefully it will be sometime this
month.
Steve Ruse
Dallas, TX
do not archive
Quoting Carl Vought <carbarvo@knology.net>:
> Steve...Sorry for the delay in answering your inquiry about the price quote
> from US Buildings. We've been out of town for the last ten days. The price I
> was quoted on 4/6/04 for a model Q33'-16' which is 33 feet wide and 20 feet
> long with max height of 16 feet was $5750.00 delivered to Huntsville,
> Alabama.. The person who made the quote was Andrea C. Gimin. You might want
> to talk to Karen Smith (factory consultant) first. Do you know they have a
> free video which they will send upon request?
> ...Carl Vought----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Ruse
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:55 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Next TACO meeting to honor Steve Ruse
>
>
> That sounds like fun Sterling, I can't wait to get it back here and spend
> spring, summer, and fall burning Avgas. I'll have the plane here ASAWA (As
> Soon As Weather Allows). I'd be glad to drop down into the hill country once
> I get it here, there is some great barbeque to be had down there.
>
> Thanks for the welcome everyone...I can't wait to meet more of you. Seems
> like a great group.
>
> Later this spring I plan on buying some wood and fabric and re-creating the
> vertical and horizontal stabs for a Pietenpol, just to learn more about their
> construction. Who knows, maybe one day I'll find time to build an entire
> Piet.
>
> Steve
> Dallas, TX
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> N321TX@wmconnect.com
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:19 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Next TACO meeting to honor Steve Ruse
>
>
> Actually the subject line should read... Next TACO meeting to honor and
> induct Steve Ruse and gawk at his new Texas Air Camper...
>
> As soon as Steve has an idea of when he will have his Air Camper in
> Texas, and at a time convenient to him, let's have a meeting. Maybe we can
> tie this into Mike Cuy's visit. Maybe Corky can swing by? Maybe Oscar will
> have his repairs done and can meet us at a location between San Antonio and
> Dallas if there isn't a Presidential TFR. Maybe some other Yankees other than
> Mike can visit?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Sterling
> 5TA6
> NOTAMS. Fresh cow chips on runway, land at your own risk.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: continental A65in "Black Piet" |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Les,
Yeah, I went thru this with my Mentor on a 65 idle setup. First you have to
set up the carb to the manual. Then , as I was told, you have to find the
happy medium on the idle mixture. The main thing is that the Stromberg carb
doesn't have an acelerator pump like all the cars do, so you have to set it
up so that it will stumble the least on acceration. and work the throttle
accordingly. (remember, it's 1930's technology)
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Schubert" <leskarin@telus.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: continental A65in "Black Piet"
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
>
> I was sitting in my almost completed Piet today running the engine and
> observed that the engine seems to go rich as you come off idle up to about
> 1100 rpm, over that it then revs up nicely. idles fine at about 600-700
rpm
> with no indication of overrichness. Starts quite nicely with the throttle
> closed with one shot of prime. The engine was at about 60 F and the
outside
> air temp was about 35 F when it started. I assume that this flat spot and
> slight black smoke as you speed it up is a indication of incorrect float
> level. I have installed the new delrin needle with the recommended float
> weight change. I would appreciate any sage advice from someone with more
> experience than I. I should be ready to test fly in a week or so if I
don't
> have huge issues to deal with. Just need to final fit the wings, do the
> weight and balance final, and take it to the airport. I have a experience
> tail dragger pilot lined up for the first flights
>
>
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| Subject: | Peitenpol in Utah |
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Hi everyone,
My name is Brian and I am new to this group. I live in Clinton, Utah and I was
interested in a Peitenpol for a new project. I had a Challenger II several years
ago and my brother and I finished a Sixchuter PPC last year. I like the looks,
and construction of the Air camper. I have a few questions I hope you all
could help me with. 1. Where is the best place to obtain full sets of plans
and assembly instructions? 2. Would it be wise to buy a plane that someone else
has started? 3. Does anyone know of any planes started/unfinished for sale.
4. Can you buy a kit that includes the needed wood sizes? 5. Does anyone know
if there are any builders, or Piets in Utah? I am 210lb pilot, I would like
to sit in one to get the feel if I am going to invest the time and money. I
have read a lot regarding the plane and the different engines guys have used.
Would a C-90 be to large with my weight, or would a Continental A-65 be better
suited? Are the Rotax engines too light for the p
lane and do they have enough torque at the lower RPMS? I'm sure if I get started
on this project I will have many questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Brian Jardine
Clinton, Utah
801-499-6210
Hi everyone,
My name is Brian and I am new to this group. I live in Clinton, Utah and I was
interested in a Peitenpol for a new project. I had a Challenger II several years
ago and my brother and I finished a Sixchuter PPC last year. I like the looks,
and construction of the Air camper. I have a few questions I hope you all
could help me with. 1. Where is the best place to obtain full sets of plans and
assembly instructions? 2. Would it be wise to buy a plane that someone else
has started? 3. Does anyone know of any planes started/unfinished for sale. 4.
Can you buy a kit that includes the needed wood sizes? 5. Does anyone know if
there are any builders, or Piets in Utah? I am 210lb pilot, I would like to sit
in one to get the feel if I am going to invest the time and money.I have read
a lot regarding the plane andthe different engines guys have used. Would a
C-90 be to large with my weight, or would a Continental A-65 be be
tter suited? Are the Rotax engines too light for the plane and do they have enough
torque at the lower RPMS? I'm sure if I get started on this project I will
have many questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Brian Jardine
Clinton, Utah
801-499-6210
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| Subject: | Peitenpol in Utah |
Brian, there is a Piet fuselage, ribs, and tailfeathers on ebay right now. It is
located in Texas City. Good luck in your venture.
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From:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peitenpol in Utah
Hi everyone,
My name is Brian and I am new to this group. I live in Clinton, Utah and I was
interested in a Peitenpol for a new project. I had a Challenger II several years
ago and my brother and I finished a Sixchuter PPC last year. I like the looks,
and construction of the Air camper. I have a few questions I hope you all
could help me with. 1. Where is the best place to obtain full sets of plans
and assembly instructions? 2. Would it be wise to buy a plane that someone else
has started? 3. Does anyone know of any planes started/unfinished for sale.
4. Can you buy a kit that includes the needed wood sizes? 5. Does anyone know
if there are any builders, or Piets in Utah? I am 210lb pilot, I would like
to sit in one to get the feel if I am going to invest the time and money. I
have read a lot regarding the plane and the different engines guys have used.
Would a C-90 be to large with my weight, or would a Continental A-65 be be tter
suited? Are the Rotax engines too light for the
plane and do they have enough torque at the lower RPMS? I'm sure if I get started
on this project I will have many questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Brian Jardine
Clinton, Utah
801-499-6210
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| Subject: | Re: Peitenpol in Utah |
Brian,
Go to: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/ for the plans.
The best place for "assembly instructions" is right here on the Pietenpol list.
Aircraft Spruce sells a wood kit but there have been mixed reviews on it. I don't
have any first hand knowledge.
Steve Eldridge is a well known Pietenpoler who lives in Utah and has built a
beautiful A-65 powered Air Camper. He pops up on the list occasionally.
People MUCH larger than 210 pounds have built Pietenpols. They are
quite roomy.
Engine choice might be more dependant on your field elevation than your body weight.
A Rotax would be too light.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peitenpol in Utah
Hi everyone,
My name is Brian and I am new to this group. I live in Clinton, Utah and I was
interested in a Peitenpol for a new project. I had a Challenger II several
years ago and my brother and I finished a Sixchuter PPC last year. I like the
looks, and construction of the Air camper. I have a few questions I hope you all
could help me with. 1. Where is the best place to obtain full sets of plans
and assembly instructions? 2. Would it be wise to buy a plane that someone
else has started? 3. Does anyone know of any planes started/unfinished for sale.
4. Can you buy a kit that includes the needed wood sizes? 5. Does anyone
know if there are any builders, or Piets in Utah? I am 210lb pilot, I would like
to sit in one to get the feel if I am going to invest the time and money.
I have read a lot regarding the plane and the different engines guys have used.
Would a C-90 be to large with my weight, or would a Continental A-65 be be
tter suited? Are the Rotax engines too light for the plane and do they have
enough torque at the lower RPMS? I'm sure if I get started on this project I
will have many questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Brian Jardine
Clinton, Utah
801-499-6210
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Brian:
You can order the plans direct from Don Pietenpol, the son of Bernard Pietenpol who designed the original AirCamper. Here is a link to his web site ==>http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/.
Buying a plane that someone else started would certainly save time, but look at
all of the fun of building you would miss. I currently into my second year of
building and I enjoy it even more now than when I first started.
Aircraft Spruce in California has a wood kit available for the aircamper. There
is also a wood list on MYKITPLANE.com which is what I used. If you need the link
let me know and I will dig it up for you.
I would definitely get a copy of the 1932 flying and glider manual from the E.A.A.
(about $6 or $7), that has the reprint of the original 1932 series of articles
on building the aircamper. If you haven't already seen the publication, it
has all of the plans and building information. It will definitely give you a
good overview of what the Pietenpol is all about.
Good Luck,
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peitenpol in Utah
Hi everyone,
My name is Brian and I am new to this group. I live in Clinton, Utah and I was
interested in a Peitenpol for a new project. I had a Challenger II several years
ago and my brother and I finished a Sixchuter PPC last year. I like the looks,
and construction of the Air camper. I have a few questions I hope you all
could help me with. 1. Where is the best place to obtain full sets of plans
and assembly instructions? 2. Would it be wise to buy a plane that someone else
has started? 3. Does anyone know of any planes started/unfinished for sale.
4. Can you buy a kit that includes the needed wood sizes? 5. Does anyone know
if there are any builders, or Piets in Utah? I am 210lb pilot, I would like
to sit in one to get the feel if I am going to invest the time and money. I
have read a lot regarding the plane and the different engines guys have used.
Would a C-90 be to large with my weight, or would a Continental A-65 be be tter
suited? Are the Rotax engines too light for the
plane and do they have enough torque at the lower RPMS? I'm sure if I get started
on this project I will have many questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Brian Jardine
Clinton, Utah
801-499-6210
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge Ply |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Peter,
The 1/16" plywood goes on the Top Only. It does not go around the leading
edge, and it does not go on the bottom of the wing. It does not get glued to
the top of the front spar, either. The plywood overlaps the leading about 3/4",
then after the adhesive is set, bevel the forward edge of the plywood, and
blend it in. You could scarf splice the edges of each of the four pieces above
a rib, but I made butt joints. The only place it is glued is along the
leading edge, and up each of the ribs. The aft edge of the plywood, just above
the
spar, will kind of warp up a little bit. Bevel the aft edge of the plywood
slightly, and when the fabric is installed and shrunk, it pulls the aft edge of
the plywood down very nicely. There is no need to wet the plywood, because it
is a very large radius along that portion of the airfoil, and it is no
problem at all to bend the plywood along the ribs. I used T88 on mine, and did
not
use any nails, or staples. I used quite a few clamps, but not too much clamp
pressure, so you don't squeeze all the adhesive out. I also used the black
rubber bunji chords around the leading edge, and the spar, between each rib,
but use temporary blocks to space the plywood up off the spar, so you don't get
slack in the plywood there.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Leading Edge Ply |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Chuck/Walt.
Thanks for the reply's.
I am using the Jim Wills version of the plans which call for the complete
leading edge to be covered with ply. I will combine the two ideas and see
how it goes. I'll butt joint the ply pieces at the ribs. That will make it
easier to bend the smaller pieces rather than try to bend the whole length.
Ain't life fun.
Cheers
Peter.
Wonthaggi, Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Peter,
The 1/16" plywood goes on the Top Only. It does not go around the leading
edge, and it does not go on the bottom of the wing. It does not get glued
to
the top of the front spar, either. The plywood overlaps the leading about
3/4",
then after the adhesive is set, bevel the forward edge of the plywood, and
blend it in. You could scarf splice the edges of each of the four pieces
above
a rib, but I made butt joints. The only place it is glued is along the
leading edge, and up each of the ribs. The aft edge of the plywood, just
above the
spar, will kind of warp up a little bit. Bevel the aft edge of the plywood
slightly, and when the fabric is installed and shrunk, it pulls the aft edge
of
the plywood down very nicely. There is no need to wet the plywood, because
it
is a very large radius along that portion of the airfoil, and it is no
problem at all to bend the plywood along the ribs. I used T88 on mine, and
did not
use any nails, or staples. I used quite a few clamps, but not too much
clamp
pressure, so you don't squeeze all the adhesive out. I also used the black
rubber bunji chords around the leading edge, and the spar, between each rib,
but use temporary blocks to space the plywood up off the spar, so you don't
get
slack in the plywood there.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Peitenpol in Utah |
Brian,
You really need to go talk to Steve Eldrige in Prove, actually he works in Prove
and lives in Spanish Fork, I think. He is about 210lb too. He's a great guy
and I'd bet he would show you his plane. Try his email address at steve@byu.edu.
A Rotax is to light for a Piet. You may want to try upgrading to a C-90 or O-200.
I hear they fly very good on a C-90 and at your weight it might have better
climb, Steve runs a C-65 and seems to fly all over the place in his.
Keep asking questions on the list but see if you go see Steve's plane.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
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From: bpjardine@comcast.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peitenpol in Utah
Hi everyone,
My name is Brian and I am new to this group. I live in Clinton, Utah and I was
interested in a Peitenpol for a new project. I had a Challenger II several
years ago and my brother and I finished a Sixchuter PPC last year. I like the
looks, and construction of the Air camper. I have a few questions I hope you all
could help me with. 1. Where is the best place to obtain full sets of plans
and assembly instructions? 2. Would it be wise to buy a plane that someone
else has started? 3. Does anyone know of any planes started/unfinished for sale.
4. Can you buy a kit that includes the needed wood sizes? 5. Does anyone
know if there are any builders, or Piets in Utah? I am 210lb pilot, I would like
to sit in one to get the feel if I am going to invest the time and money.
I have read a lot regarding the plane and the different engines guys have used.
Would a C-90 be to large with my weight, or would a Continental A-65 be be
tter suited? Are the Rotax engines too light for the plane and do they have
enough torque at the lower RPMS? I'm sure if I get started on this project I
will have many questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Brian Jardine
Clinton, Utah
801-499-6210
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Don't say I don't give you guys something. :-) :-)
http://www.flightsongrecords.com/
Clif
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