---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/13/05: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Re: Rib-lacing Cord (Dick and Marge Gillespie) 2. 08:06 AM - Painting control system metal parts (Rick Holland) 3. 08:39 AM - Powdercoating control system parts (Rick Holland) 4. 09:07 AM - Firewall/crossbrace question (TBYH@aol.com) 5. 01:19 PM - Re: Painting control system metal parts (Mike Luther) 6. 01:36 PM - Re: Powdercoating control system parts (DJ Vegh) 7. 01:41 PM - Re: Painting control system metal parts (cgalley) 8. 03:36 PM - Re: Painting control system metal parts (walt evans) 9. 04:59 PM - engine available (Bert Conoly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:56 AM PST US From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib-lacing Cord Steve, It's the round cord. You arrived in Ft.Myers on one of the coldest days of the year. If you'd like to discuss it, call me at 936-2774. DickG. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eldredge To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib-lacing Cord Don't know about a new source of cord, But I just saved a ton of money on insurance... Only kidding, but I did by chance just land in your fair city about 2 hours ago (ala Delta 767, not the piet..) Is this the flat cord or the round cord we are talking about? Steve E (at the pink shell) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick and Marge Gillespie Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:52 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib-lacing Cord Pieters, Don't bitch a whole lot, but I really gotta get this one out for venting and warning others. This is my second time around using Poly Fiber system and am well pleased except for the following: I ran out of cord (500 yds) from the first time and had to re-order (from AS & S) to finish this second project. I was rocking right along almost enjoying the lacing until I received the re-order of cord. It was ordered under the same part number at AS & S but when received it was much heavier cord and much waxier and only 296 yards. P/N 09-03800. Talk about difficult. It was twice as hard to use and took at least twice as long to lace. I was so pissed I called PolyFiber and ask them about it. The tech I talked to said that he was aware of the cord being heavier and said that it was all that was available. So, does anyone know of any other source of cord that I might replace what I am going to dispose of? I have finished with this project but will be doing more lacing in the future, I hope. DickG. Ft. Myers, FL ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:05 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Painting control system metal parts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland What have you guys used to paint your control system parts (after zinc chromate primer)? Was thinking of using rustoleum spray paint. Lighter colors are better at showing weld cracks correct? -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:11 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powdercoating control system parts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland You guys that powdercoated your control system parts, how did you deal with the ends of your torque tube and bellcrank tube which fits tightly and rotates in a bearing tube. Can those ends be masked off before coating? And the insides of the bearing tubes as well. -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:23 AM PST US From: TBYH@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall/crossbrace question This will seem like a dumb question (I know, I know -- there are no dumb questions, but this one may qualify). On the 1-1/2 by 1-1/4-inch white ash horizontal crossbrace that is shaped to fit around the vertical uprights behind the firewall...and is held in place with 5/16 bolts...should there also be glue between the ash crosspiece and the back of the plywood firewall? This is the piece that the Model A engine "cradle" rests on... I assume there should be glue here, in addition to the bolts...and I assume the plywood "box" (where the mag and radiator will reside) above is also glued to that crosspiece.... Fred B. . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:14 PM PST US From: Mike Luther Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Painting control system metal parts Hi Rick: I am really sold on the Poly-Fiber two part white Epoxy primer for all of my metal parts. After seven days of cure time it is a really durable finish. Paint stripper won't touch it and I can't scratch it off with my finger nail and I can polish the primer to a nice sheen for a final finish. I did read that Epoxy primer will get a little chalky after a few years of UV. Zinc chromate as a primer for steel works just fine, but I ran into durability issues when I tried to topcoat the primer with spray enamel. Mike Luther Rick Holland wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland > > What have you guys used to paint your control system parts (after zinc > chromate primer)? Was thinking of using rustoleum spray paint. > Lighter colors are better at showing weld cracks correct? > > -- > Rick Holland > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:41 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powdercoating control system parts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" all my stuff was powdercoated. thermal tape is used to mask off areas where powdercoat should not get to. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powdercoating control system parts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland > > You guys that powdercoated your control system parts, how did you deal > with the ends of your torque tube and bellcrank tube which fits > tightly and rotates in a bearing tube. Can those ends be masked off > before coating? And the insides of the bearing tubes as well. > > -- > Rick Holland > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:45 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Painting control system metal parts Most of the Fabric "glues" will lift the zinc chromate as well. Then there goes your rust protection. Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Luther To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Painting control system metal parts Hi Rick: I am really sold on the Poly-Fiber two part white Epoxy primer for all of my metal parts. After seven days of cure time it is a really durable finish. Paint stripper won't touch it and I can't scratch it off with my finger nail and I can polish the primer to a nice sheen for a final finish. I did read that Epoxy primer will get a little chalky after a few years of UV. Zinc chromate as a primer for steel works just fine, but I ran into durability issues when I tried to topcoat the primer with spray enamel. Mike Luther Rick Holland wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland What have you guys used to paint your control system parts (after zinc chromate primer)? Was thinking of using rustoleum spray paint. Lighter colors are better at showing weld cracks correct? -- Rick Holland - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:39 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Painting control system metal parts Rick, I finally settled on Rust-o-leam appliance epoxy spray paint. In the hardware store with a picture of a fridge or stove on it. Not too many choices for color,,,black,white or almond. Cause I made all the controls black, it worked out. Since most parts can fit into an oven, I sprayed and baked at 250 F for about 1/2 hour. When it cools, it seems to be bullet proof, even MEK wont touch it. I was put onto this by my Mentor AP. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Painting control system metal parts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland > > What have you guys used to paint your control system parts (after zinc > chromate primer)? Was thinking of using rustoleum spray paint. > Lighter colors are better at showing weld cracks correct? > > -- > Rick Holland > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:07 PM PST US s=test1; d=earthlink.net; b=rXF8yksSyHm+0OcJRAWySi5PJwhMf58v/l4QGc+qplns0NT3SKhyWJgivJIbjqK6; From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine available --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" I just heard about an engine /prop combo that is available. This is a Chevy (GM) 2.5 Liter - 4 cylinder engine with a wooden prop. A retired Doctor (or dentist) built this engine up for a Corben Baby Ace and it was completed and flew. It was very satisfatory however evidently some family members "encouraged" him to convert to a continental. Auto engine Phobia, I guess. He told me it had a special cam put in to make the max power 92 hp at a lower RPM than what the engine is rated at. I think it also of course comes with carb, prop hub, stacks, etc. This is the same type engine that Larry Harrison flew with for years - I flew that plane several times and it was a sweet engine. It also LOOKS very much like a Model A. Dr Wicker is known here locally as a VERY capable builder and pilot having built and flown a Marquart Charger for years. Anyway - I have no interest in this at all - diont get a thing out of it -I just wanted to pass it along. If anybody wants his telephone number, e-mail me off line. Bert