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1. 03:19 AM - 2.5 Chevy engine (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 06:11 AM - Re: Painting control system metal parts (Rick Holland)
3. 11:47 AM - Aileron Horn Question (Textor, Jack)
4. 12:07 PM - Re: Aileron Horn Question (Phillips, Jack)
5. 01:04 PM - A little bragging (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 01:04 PM - Re: Painting control system metal parts (walt evans)
7. 01:11 PM - Re: Aileron Horn Question (walt evans)
8. 02:27 PM - Re: Aileron Horn Question (FTLovley@aol.com)
9. 03:15 PM - Re: Aileron Horn Question (walt evans)
10. 03:35 PM - OT - Quad City Challenger II (DJ Vegh)
11. 04:30 PM - Re: Aileron Horn Question ()
12. 06:03 PM - Re: OT - Quad City Challenger II (brian jardine)
13. 06:50 PM - Re: Aileron Horn Question (Rcaprd@aol.com)
14. 06:51 PM - Re: OT - Quad City Challenger II (Rcaprd@aol.com)
15. 08:51 PM - Re: OT - Quad City Challenger II (Greg Bacon)
16. 09:02 PM - Re: Aileron Horn Question (Gary Gower)
17. 09:02 PM - Re: OT - Quad City Challenger II (Carl)
18. 09:04 PM - Challenger II (Chad Johnson)
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| Subject: | 2.5 Chevy engine |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Hi Burt: Did Larry Harrison ( or any one else ) ever do a "how to
convert" article for that engine? I was wanting to use the Chevy. 2.5
originally, but knew nothing about what was needed to convert one for
ac. use. I now have a fortune invested in a Model A, but may still like
to know more about it for a future project. Thanks Leon Stefan in Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: Painting control system metal parts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Walt
Did you use any primer before applying that? That must be a big oven
you have to fit a torque tube.
Rick H
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:35:53 -0500, walt evans <wbeevans@verizon.net> wrote:
> Rick,
> I finally settled on Rust-o-leam appliance epoxy spray paint. In the
> hardware store with a picture of a fridge or stove on it. Not too many
> choices for color,,,black,white or almond. Cause I made all the controls
> black, it worked out. Since most parts can fit into an oven, I sprayed
> and baked at 250 F for about 1/2 hour. When it cools, it seems to be bullet
> proof, even MEK wont touch it.
> I was put onto this by my Mentor AP.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 11:05 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Painting control system metal parts
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> >
> > What have you guys used to paint your control system parts (after zinc
> > chromate primer)? Was thinking of using rustoleum spray paint.
> > Lighter colors are better at showing weld cracks correct?
> >
> > --
> > Rick Holland
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Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Aileron Horn Question |
Hi all,
It' 50 and sunny here in Des Moines, can't wait for spring. What's the
consensuses regarding aileron horn construction? The manual says 20
gauge and bend without heat while the plans say 22 guage, all welded
with no bend. 4130 only? Anybody just use flat aluminum? Thanks for
all the help!
Jack Textor
Still building ribs
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| Subject: | Aileron Horn Question |
I used .032" 4130, bent and welded. Makes a nice lightweight and very
stiff and strong unit. The edge welding is very easy to do and requires
little or no filler rod. Makes a nice "antique" touch to the airplane
(looks just like the control horns on the Spirit of St. Louis). Drill
all holes after welding.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC (48 F and rain today, but 67 tomorrow)
-----Original Message-----
Hi all,
It' 50 and sunny here in Des Moines, can't wait for spring. What's the
consensuses regarding aileron horn construction? The manual says 20
gauge and bend without heat while the plans say 22 guage, all welded
with no bend. 4130 only? Anybody just use flat aluminum? Thanks for
all the help!
Jack Textor
Still building ribs
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| Subject: | A little bragging |
Do Not Archive
Just couldn't keep this to myself. It's few and far between on Valentine day
in Louisiana
76 F
Calm
RH 27%
30.01
10 miles
Fair Skies
But no Piet to fly
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| Subject: | Re: Painting control system metal parts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Rick,
The cans instructions specifically said not to use primer, so I didn't. The
instructions were odd cause it said to apply second coat within 1/2 hour OR
after like two weeks. I top coated one piece after one hour, and the second
coat attacks the first, and you have a wrinkley mess.
Get around this by baking between coats.
Yeah, think that the torque tube was the only thing that I let air dry
between coats.
Try this paint on some scrap. Cut some coat hanger into like 3" pieces and
bend a hook on each end. I had a string between two trees in the yard that
I would hang the stuff onto while painting. Hold the top of the hook with
your fingers on each piece so you can look at and spin the piece around
while painting, then hang it. and the next piece etc.
then heat the oven to 250 F and pull out the top rack. Two by two carry the
pieces inside and hang them from the rack. After about half hour take out
and cool by hanging somewhere. You won't be disappointed in the durability.
All you've got to lose is about $5.00 for one can
walt evans
NX140DL
PS if you're married, you may want to do this when the wife is out shopping
for the day
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Painting control system metal parts
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
> Walt
>
> Did you use any primer before applying that? That must be a big oven
> you have to fit a torque tube.
>
> Rick H
>
>
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:35:53 -0500, walt evans <wbeevans@verizon.net>
wrote:
> > Rick,
> > I finally settled on Rust-o-leam appliance epoxy spray paint. In the
> > hardware store with a picture of a fridge or stove on it. Not too many
> > choices for color,,,black,white or almond. Cause I made all the
controls
> > black, it worked out. Since most parts can fit into an oven, I
sprayed
> > and baked at 250 F for about 1/2 hour. When it cools, it seems to be
bullet
> > proof, even MEK wont touch it.
> > I was put onto this by my Mentor AP.
> > walt evans
> > NX140DL
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 11:05 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Painting control system metal parts
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland
<at7000ft@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > What have you guys used to paint your control system parts (after zinc
> > > chromate primer)? Was thinking of using rustoleum spray paint.
> > > Lighter colors are better at showing weld cracks correct?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rick Holland
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Horn Question |
Jack,
My 1934 plans say welded WITH a bend with 22 ga steel. That's what I did. seems
very whispy before bending and welding, but after the welding, it's very impressive
how strong the horns are.
none of them flew off yet!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Textor, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Horn Question
Hi all,
It' 50 and sunny here in Des Moines, can't wait for spring. What's the consensuses
regarding aileron horn construction? The manual says 20 gauge and bend
without heat while the plans say 22 guage, all welded with no bend. 4130 only?
Anybody just use flat aluminum? Thanks for all the help!
Jack Textor
Still building ribs
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Horn Question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: FTLovley@aol.com
I don't know how thick it is...but I watched Bernard make those aileron horns
and elevator horns from the mild steel tops from 5 gallon dope cans. They
didn't have an actual bend in them...he just formed them so that after brazing
they were airfoil shaped with the thick section near the front.
Forrest Lovley
Jordan MN
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Horn Question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Thanks Forrest,
Every once in a while I need a letter like yours to set me back on track.
Aileron horns from dope cans, leading edge ply from Quaker Oats containers,
and split gear from water pipe. We still have to make it good, but
Bernard made them from pretty basic stuff, so what we use today should hold
together pretty darn good.
Ain't life grand!!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: <FTLovley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Horn Question
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: FTLovley@aol.com
>
> I don't know how thick it is...but I watched Bernard make those aileron
horns
> and elevator horns from the mild steel tops from 5 gallon dope cans. They
> didn't have an actual bend in them...he just formed them so that after
brazing
> they were airfoil shaped with the thick section near the front.
> Forrest Lovley
> Jordan MN
>
>
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| Subject: | OT - Quad City Challenger II |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
has anyone on the list ever flown a Challenger II?? If so do you know if
the wings are easily foldable for storage/transportation? I ask because I
have an opportunity to go in a partnership with one. My uncle wants to
build a plane and he's decided on the Challenger II. Build time is about
200 hrs and with the both of us tackling the project we could be flying
inside of 4 months.
for those who don't know what it is here's the site.... it's a low and slow
2 seat plane.
www.http://www.quadcitychallenger.com/
DJ
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Horn Question |
.028 is the thickness I used. Seemed pretty flimsy until the halves were formed
and welded.
They were then incredibly strong. And light.
They aren't all that difficult to make and are quite satisfying to complete.
I've seen many that were simply made from a single piece of .090 steel, it works
but is heavy. I have not seen any aluminum horns.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: Textor, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Horn Question
Hi all,
It' 50 and sunny here in Des Moines, can't wait for spring. What's the consensuses
regarding aileron horn construction? The manual says 20 gauge and bend
without heat while the plans say 22 guage, all welded with no bend. 4130 only?
Anybody just use flat aluminum? Thanks for all the help!
Jack Textor
Still building ribs
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Quad City Challenger II |
DJ,
I had a Challenger II for a while. The wings attach in the standard form; 4 bolts
on top of the fuse, and several bolts for the wing struts. You would also disconnect
the flaperon linkage connections. You could assemble and disassemble
each time you wanted to fly but it would become a pain. Mine took several hundred
hours to assemble, it was fun and it went together nicely. The challenger
is a nice flying plane. Good luck.
Brian
Clinton, UT
DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
has anyone on the list ever flown a Challenger II?? If so do you know if
the wings are easily foldable for storage/transportation? I ask because I
have an opportunity to go in a partnership with one. My uncle wants to
build a plane and he's decided on the Challenger II. Build time is about
200 hrs and with the both of us tackling the project we could be flying
inside of 4 months.
for those who don't know what it is here's the site.... it's a low and slow
2 seat plane.
www.http://www.quadcitychallenger.com/
DJ
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Horn Question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/05 1:48:03 PM Central Standard Time,
jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes:
<< What's the
consensuses regarding aileron horn construction? >>
Jack,
Plans type horns are much more than adequate, three dimensional making them
very strong, easy to build, and well proven. Aluminum horns are Risky Business
!!
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Quad City Challenger II |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
DJ,
I've never flown, and I don't think I've ever seen a Challenger II, but I've
heard of it somewhere...probably in one of the magazines. I'm always
interested in anything that flys, but the link you listed didn't work for me.
Oh,
well....kit planes are for Sissy's !! :) He he he !!
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Quad City Challenger II |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@direcway.com>
DJ,
I met a Challenger II owner at the Brodhead fly-in last year. He mentioned
that he was selling his Challenger because it was "the most boring thing he
ever flew". You may want to get a ride in one before diving in.
BTW, I did a little tail dragger training in a Kitfox with a 582 Rotax. The
noise and vibration of that two stroke was annoying and disconcerting. It
took a lot of enjoyment out of the flight experience for me.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Horn Question |
Just remember that dope cans material from the 30's was thicker than the cans
we get today... The same hapens with the fenders of the cars... Also there
was no Aircraft Spruce or Wicks or epoxy back then...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not Archive.
walt evans <wbeevans@verizon.net> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans"
Thanks Forrest,
Every once in a while I need a letter like yours to set me back on track.
Aileron horns from dope cans, leading edge ply from Quaker Oats containers,
and split gear from water pipe. We still have to make it good, but
Bernard made them from pretty basic stuff, so what we use today should hold
together pretty darn good.
Ain't life grand!!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Horn Question
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: FTLovley@aol.com
>
> I don't know how thick it is...but I watched Bernard make those aileron
horns
> and elevator horns from the mild steel tops from 5 gallon dope cans. They
> didn't have an actual bend in them...he just formed them so that after
brazing
> they were airfoil shaped with the thick section near the front.
> Forrest Lovley
> Jordan MN
>
>
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| Subject: | OT - Quad City Challenger II |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl" <skycarl@buckeye-express.com>
DJ,,,
I flew a challengerII for several years and really enjoyed it. Fly great.
But as far as pulling the wings everytime,,, you really might think about
that one. I don't believe you'll enjoy doing that everytime you fly.
But it's a real nice bird.
Carl L.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT - Quad City Challenger II
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
has anyone on the list ever flown a Challenger II?? If so do you know if
the wings are easily foldable for storage/transportation? I ask because I
have an opportunity to go in a partnership with one. My uncle wants to
build a plane and he's decided on the Challenger II. Build time is about
200 hrs and with the both of us tackling the project we could be flying
inside of 4 months.
for those who don't know what it is here's the site.... it's a low and slow
2 seat plane.
www.http://www.quadcitychallenger.com/
DJ
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DJ, I also have no experience with the challenger but I do fly a Kolb Firestar
II that my uncle built. I absolutely love it. I compare it to riding a motocycle
with wings. The Kolb is somewhat like the Challenger. Very well designed
and rugged. Feels and flys like a conventional airplane. The Kolbs wings fold
very easily, a one-man job, no problem. It uses a Rotax 503, dual carb.
Plenty of power even with my 200 lbs and another 130 in the rear seat. The firestar
is definately a "bugs in the teeth" airplane. Chasing coyotes, turkeys
or just enjoying the view, its a great way to blow off the sawdust from piet
building!! Good luck.
Chad Johnson
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