---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/17/05: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:18 AM - Re: 4130 cutting with PLASMA? (Phillips, Jack) 2. 07:10 AM - Cutting 4130 (Leroy Brandt) 3. 07:42 AM - Cabane bottom attachment (Rick Holland) 4. 08:10 AM - Re: Cabane bottom attachment (Phillips, Jack) 5. 08:40 AM - Re: Cabane bottom attachment (DJ Vegh) 6. 05:02 PM - Re: 4130 cutting with PLASMA? (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 7. 06:04 PM - Harbor Freight bandsaws / was: 4130 cutting with PLASMA? (Jim Ash) 8. 08:24 PM - Re: OT - Quad City Challenger II (Jim Thursby) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 4130 cutting with PLASMA? From: "Phillips, Jack" I just use a bandsaw. Nothing you will be cutting for a Pietenpol is thick enough to worry with torch methods. Some can be cut with shears. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pilots4ETW@wmconnect.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130 cutting with PLASMA? Has anyone had good results cutting 4130 sheet with a plasma cutter? Gas (the old cutting torch method) renders sloppy results and I'd like a better way to cut 4130. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:41 AM PST US d="scan'208"; a="818949392:sNHT14743554" From: Leroy Brandt Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cutting 4130 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Leroy Brandt I have the Jet horizontal/verticle bandsaw and really like it so far. About all I have cut with it is 4130 making pratice pieces for TIG welding. Those welds do get hard I found out. If you saw too close to the weld to use the pieces over again you'll destroy the blade in only a couple cuts. I wonder if anyone has found a good set of hole saws to use with a Joint Jigger. I have gone through a few bi-metal saws by Dewalt. They have course teeth and tend to break on the hard chrome moly tubing. Anyone know if a finer tooth hole saw would last longer. What about grinding the fish mouth to shape or cutting with snips and filing to finsh it off. Thanks for listening. Leroy Brandt ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:30 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane bottom attachment --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland I am planning on using the smaller (2.4") streamline aluminum struts from Carlson for my cabanes, mostly based on info from this newsgroup. On the plans the cabane lower attachment bolt that goes through the two .090 fittings is about 3/8" above the longeron. This means that the 1/4" hole in the bottom end of the cabane is 3/8" (or a little less) from the end. Question is, does this put the hole too close to the end of the cabane? From what I have read any hole center should be 2 x hole diameter from the edge of the material. Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:45 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabane bottom attachment From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" As usual, in this area BHP made his fittings too short. Lengthen the fittings to get proper edge distance on the holes. In nearly every fitting on the airplane, Bernard was a little stingy with material. Makes for a light airplane, but some of those fittings are pretty critical and will ruin your day if they fail Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane bottom attachment --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland I am planning on using the smaller (2.4") streamline aluminum struts from Carlson for my cabanes, mostly based on info from this newsgroup. On the plans the cabane lower attachment bolt that goes through the two .090 fittings is about 3/8" above the longeron. This means that the 1/4" hole in the bottom end of the cabane is 3/8" (or a little less) from the end. Question is, does this put the hole too close to the end of the cabane? From what I have read any hole center should be 2 x hole diameter from the edge of the material. Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:41 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane bottom attachment --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" lengthen the fittings and insert a 4" piece of 2024-T351 Square bar into the bottom end of the cabane. Place a bolt through the cabane and bar above the fitting.... this helps put some load further up on the cabane. I used Carlson (Sky-Tek) struts and that's how I did mine. see these pics. http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-30-03.htm DJ Vegh www.imagedv.com/aircamper N74DV Mesa, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane bottom attachment > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland > > I am planning on using the smaller (2.4") streamline aluminum struts > from Carlson for my cabanes, mostly based on info from this newsgroup. > On the plans the cabane lower attachment bolt that goes through the > two .090 fittings is about 3/8" above the longeron. This means that > the 1/4" hole in the bottom end of the cabane is 3/8" (or a little > less) from the end. Question is, does this put the hole too close to > the end of the cabane? From what I have read any hole center should be > 2 x hole diameter from the edge of the material. > > Thanks > -- > Rick Holland > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:33 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 cutting with PLASMA? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Hi Chuck: I got a Harbor Freight metal cutting bandsaw but I am not real pleased with it. I doesn't cut straight in the horizontal position, the blade veers off to one side. In the vertical position the blade jumps off the wheels. Is there any way to correct this? My buddy has a King brand, but the same saw and his is great. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 cutting with PLASMA? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 2/16/05 6:15:56 PM Central Standard Time, > jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: > > << Northern Tool and Harbor both have an outstanding metal cutting band saw > (cuts horiz and vert) for around $170.....EASILY worth the money..... >> > > That's what I use to cut all my 4130, both tubing and sheet steel. When I > raise it up to verticle, I use it to cut sheet steel over.090" thick. I bought > mine used for $30. > > Chuck G. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:12 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Pietenpol-List: Harbor Freight bandsaws / was: 4130 cutting with PLASMA? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash Don't even consider using the blade Harbor Freight sends you with the bandsaw; go get a real blade from somewhere reputable. Better yet, buy your blade by the foot, get some silver solder and make them to length yourself. Jim Ash At 2/17/2005 06:59 PM -0800, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" > > >Hi Chuck: > I got a Harbor Freight metal cutting bandsaw but I am not real pleased >with it. I doesn't cut straight in the horizontal position, the blade veers >off to one side. In the vertical position the blade jumps off the wheels. Is >there any way to correct this? My buddy has a King brand, but the same saw >and his is great. >Dennis >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:08 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 cutting with PLASMA? > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 2/16/05 6:15:56 PM Central Standard Time, > > jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: > > > > << Northern Tool and Harbor both have an outstanding metal cutting band >saw > > (cuts horiz and vert) for around $170.....EASILY worth the money..... >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:37 PM PST US From: "Jim Thursby" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: OT - Quad City Challenger II --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" Funny, I have over 500 hours behind/in front of Rotax two-strokes and 700 hours behind the 912/914 series. Zero failures with the exception of the carb falling out of the boot on my Fisher 303 with a little Rotax 277 single lunger. I have had one failure with a Continental and one with a Lycoming though. Jim T. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Holcomb Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT - Quad City Challenger II "Kevin Holcomb" Friends don't let friends fly a Rotax, Kevin www.airminded.net > [Original Message] > From: Greg Bacon > To: > Date: 2/14/2005 11:51:20 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT - Quad City Challenger II > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Greg Bacon > > DJ, > > I met a Challenger II owner at the Brodhead fly-in last year. He mentioned > that he was selling his Challenger because it was "the most boring thing he > ever flew". You may want to get a ride in one before diving in. > > BTW, I did a little tail dragger training in a Kitfox with a 582 Rotax. The > noise and vibration of that two stroke was annoying and disconcerting. It > took a lot of enjoyment out of the flight experience for me. > > Greg Bacon > Prairie Home, MO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >