---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/02/05: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:52 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) 2. 06:19 AM - Fiberglass Gas Tank Question (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 3. 07:16 AM - cabane struts (Jeff Hill) 4. 07:29 AM - ribs (Jeff Hill) 5. 07:37 AM - Re: cabane struts (DJ Vegh) 6. 08:17 AM - Re: cabane struts (Phillips, Jack) 7. 08:29 AM - Re: cabane struts (Larry Ragan) 8. 10:08 AM - Re: cabane struts (Jim Markle) 9. 11:48 AM - Re: cabane struts (DJ Vegh) 10. 11:58 AM - Re: cabane struts (Jim Markle) 11. 11:58 AM - RE Throttle quadrant plans, Thank you all (Andimaxd@aol.com) 12. 12:27 PM - Re: cabane struts (Phillips, Jack) 13. 01:15 PM - Re: cabane struts (DJ Vegh) 14. 01:17 PM - Glue question (Dan Loegering) 15. 01:38 PM - Re: Glue question () 16. 02:10 PM - Re: Glue question (Galen Hutcheson) 17. 02:32 PM - Re: Lost Foam Gas Tank (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 18. 02:40 PM - Re: Fiberglass Gas Tank Question (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 19. 03:03 PM - Re: Glue question (walt evans) 20. 04:30 PM - Re: Firewall (Pilots4ETW@wmconnect.com) 21. 04:37 PM - Re: Fiberglass Gas Tank Question (Pilots4ETW@wmconnect.com) 22. 04:38 PM - Re: Lost Foam Gas Tank (Pilots4ETW@wmconnect.com) 23. 07:27 PM - Re: Glue question (alexms1@comcast.net) 24. 09:21 PM - Re: cabane struts (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:23 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Lister, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. 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This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:43 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass Gas Tank Question Is there any special epoxy or glass used in the construction of a gas tank? do not archive Dan Hopper Walton, IN ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:48 AM PST US From: "Jeff Hill" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list --- MIME Errors --- A message with no text/plain section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using plaintext formatting. NOTE! This error can also occur when the poster of the message has a specific type of computer virus. This virus WAS NOT forwarded on to the List. 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The poster should be informed of the potential problem with their system as soon as possible. --- MIME Errors --- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:14 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts Cabanes are the talk of the group lately I used Carlson Aircraft aluminum struts. www.sky-tek.com About 75% cheaper than 4130 with only a small penalty in weight. DJ Vegh www.imagedv.com/aircamper N74DV ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Hill To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" How many guys have used the steel streamlined tubing from Aircraft Spruce (or from Wicks) for the cabane struts? This is the stuff that is rather expensive now. Jeff in cool Texas Forums. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" That's what I used, but I bought it from Dillsburg. Much cheaper and much faster service. Jack -----Original Message----- Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts How many guys have used the steel streamlined tubing from Aircraft Spruce (or from Wicks) for the cabane struts? This is the stuff that is rather expensive now. Jeff in cool Texas see Matronics Forums. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:54 AM PST US From: "Larry Ragan" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list --- MIME Errors --- A message with no text/plain section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using plaintext formatting. NOTE! This error can also occur when the poster of the message has a specific type of computer virus. This virus WAS NOT forwarded on to the List. The poster should be informed of the potential problem with their system as soon as possible. --- MIME Errors --- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:05 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts Why not laminate your cabanes from wood (I used light maple and mahoghany) and sandwich in some carbon fiber? Incredibly light (mine are around 12-15 ounces each) and strong. Someone once did the math and said each of the 4 cabanes on the typical Air Camper (if there IS such a thing....) only had about 50 pounds of lift (tension) to handle. I don't know how accurate that is, but a 1" X 2" wooden cabane (even without the carbon fiber inlay) will easily handle that..... Just a thought.... JM (I have a set I made from black walnut/maple (doesn't everyone build 3 sets of everything before they have the one they'll use????) that I'll probably take to Brodhead this summer.......) ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" That's what I used, but I bought it from Dillsburg. Much cheaper and much faster service. Jack -----Original Message----- Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts How many guys have used the steel streamlined tubing from Aircraft Spruce (or from Wicks) for the cabane struts? This is the stuff that is rather expensive now. Jeff in cool Texas ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:04 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts it's most certainly more than 50#. I did the calcs a while back when I bought my aluminum struts. I came up to a few hundred pounds at 1G (remember they are at about a 60=B0 angle) If planning for a +5G load you're looking at over 1,000# Still... wood works and looks cool too.... so long as they are built right... especially the ends. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts Why not laminate your cabanes from wood (I used light maple and mahoghany) and sandwich in some carbon fiber? Incredibly light (mine are around 12-15 ounces each) and strong. Someone once did the math and said each of the 4 cabanes on the typical Air Camper (if there IS such a thing....) only had about 50 pounds of lift (tension) to handle. I don't know how accurate that is, but a 1" X 2" wooden cabane (even without the carbon fiber inlay) will easily handle that..... Just a thought.... JM (I have a set I made from black walnut/maple (doesn't everyone build 3 sets of everything before they have the one they'll use????) that I'll probably take to Brodhead this summer.......) ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" That's what I used, but I bought it from Dillsburg. Much cheaper and much faster service. Jack -----Original Message----- Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts How many guys have used the steel streamlined tubing from Aircraft Spruce (or from Wicks) for the cabane struts? This is the stuff that is rather expensive now. Jeff in cool Texas ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:05 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts Cabanes...not lift struts....yes, agreed, the lift struts are MUCH more than 50 pounds..... ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts it's most certainly more than 50#. I did the calcs a while back when I bought my aluminum struts. I came up to a few hundred pounds at 1G (remember they are at about a 60=B0 angle) If planning for a +5G load you're looking at over 1,000# Still... wood works and looks cool too.... so long as they are built right... especially the ends. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts Why not laminate your cabanes from wood (I used light maple and mahoghany) and sandwich in some carbon fiber? Incredibly light (mine are around 12-15 ounces each) and strong. Someone once did the math and said each of the 4 cabanes on the typical Air Camper (if there IS such a thing....) only had about 50 pounds of lift (tension) to handle. I don't know how accurate that is, but a 1" X 2" wooden cabane (even without the carbon fiber inlay) will easily handle that..... Just a thought.... JM (I have a set I made from black walnut/maple (doesn't everyone build 3 sets of everything before they have the one they'll use????) that I'll probably take to Brodhead this summer.......) ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" That's what I used, but I bought it from Dillsburg. Much cheaper and much faster service. Jack -----Original Message----- Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts How many guys have used the steel streamlined tubing from Aircraft Spruce (or from Wicks) for the cabane struts? This is the stuff that is rather expensive now. Jeff in cool Texas ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:51 AM PST US From: Andimaxd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE Throttle quadrant plans, Thank you all Group: A special thanks to all (Terry Bowden, Dick Hartwig, Jack NX899JP, and Corky NX311CC) who replied. I appreciate the constructive help and input concerning how to make a throttle quadrant! A note for Oscar Zuniga: I appreciate your comments and pointing out the obvious, about playing around at the work bench with the scrap bin. I agree, that would normally be easier and more satisfying. That being said, I have never made a quadrant. (I enjoy getting different opinions and learning everything I can before I've made three of them, only to find a better way.) All of the planes that I have had the privilege of flying had a vernier knob on the dash, so I don't know what "feels" good, bad or indifferent. (It's terrible growing up deprived and underprivileged.) Last but not least, the majority of the project that I'm working on is 307 miles northwest of where I currently live. (That makes it damned hard to determine just what the throw or travel is going to be!) So, in my defense, I did need some stinkin' plans (and I'm not an engineer!!) -- I'm just playing with you Oscar, good luck with 41CC !! Hope to see all of you on July 22nd... Max Davis Arlington, TX. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:32 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts From: "Phillips, Jack" DJ - I think you are talking Lift struts, while Jim is talking Cabanes. The cabanes see very little lift load in flight - essentially just whatever lift the centersection develops because the lift struts attach at almost the center of the main wing panels and carry virtually all the lift loads generated by the wings. However, the roll wires put a considerable compression load on the cabanes, and any rolling maneuvers put loads on them eiither tensile or compressive, depending one which side of the airplane and which direction it is rolling. I can also tell you from personal experience - when you are making a forced landing and hit a dirt bank with the wingtip, the centersection and cabane struts do feel some stress. My roll wires are now slack on one side from the fittings at the top of the cabanes bending due to the load imposed on them. I'm going to have to straighten those fittings as part of the rebuild of NX899JP. Having finally assessed all the damage incurred, I can truthfully say, this is a STOUT airframe. I would hate to think what this repair would have cost to a Cessna. As it is, I'm getting it back in the air for somewhere around $1,000 and $475 of that is in heat treating the new axle. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts it's most certainly more than 50#. I did the calcs a while back when I bought my aluminum struts. I came up to a few hundred pounds at 1G (remember they are at about a 60=B0 angle) If planning for a +5G load you're looking at over 1,000# Still... wood works and looks cool too.... so long as they are built right... especially the ends. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts Why not laminate your cabanes from wood (I used light maple and mahoghany) and sandwich in some carbon fiber? Incredibly light (mine are around 12-15 ounces each) and strong. Someone once did the math and said each of the 4 cabanes on the typical Air Camper (if there IS such a thing....) only had about 50 pounds of lift (tension) to handle. I don't know how accurate that is, but a 1" X 2" wooden cabane (even without the carbon fiber inlay) will easily handle that..... Just a thought.... JM (I have a set I made from black walnut/maple (doesn't everyone build 3 sets of everything before they have the one they'll use????) that I'll probably take to Brodhead this summer.......) ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" That's what I used, but I bought it from Dillsburg. Much cheaper and much faster service. Jack -----Original Message----- Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts How many guys have used the steel streamlined tubing from Aircraft Spruce (or from Wicks) for the cabane struts? This is the stuff that is rather expensive now. Jeff in cool Texas ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:26 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts ooops my bad DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts Cabanes...not lift struts....yes, agreed, the lift struts are MUCH more than 50 pounds..... ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts it's most certainly more than 50#. I did the calcs a while back when I bought my aluminum struts. I came up to a few hundred pounds at 1G (remember they are at about a 60=B0 angle) If planning for a +5G load you're looking at over 1,000# Still... wood works and looks cool too.... so long as they are built right... especially the ends. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts Why not laminate your cabanes from wood (I used light maple and mahoghany) and sandwich in some carbon fiber? Incredibly light (mine are around 12-15 ounces each) and strong. Someone once did the math and said each of the 4 cabanes on the typical Air Camper (if there IS such a thing....) only had about 50 pounds of lift (tension) to handle. I don't know how accurate that is, but a 1" X 2" wooden cabane (even without the carbon fiber inlay) will easily handle that..... Just a thought.... JM (I have a set I made from black walnut/maple (doesn't everyone build 3 sets of everything before they have the one they'll use????) that I'll probably take to Brodhead this summer.......) ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" That's what I used, but I bought it from Dillsburg. Much cheaper and much faster service. Jack -----Original Message----- Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts How many guys have used the steel streamlined tubing from Aircraft Spruce (or from Wicks) for the cabane struts? This is the stuff that is rather expensive now. Jeff in cool Texas ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glue question From: "Dan Loegering" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan Loegering" Getting ready to purchase some wood and start cutting. I have decided to start on the wing ribs as my first project and was wondering if anyone out there has a rough guestimate on how much T-88 I should start out with? Would a quart kit suffice, or should I go for the 1/2 gallon right off the bat... Now just waiting for the plans to show up! Dan Loegering Fargo, ND ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:45 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Glue question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" Dan, I went for the smaller bottles, it makes it easier to handle and keeps it fresh. Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:31 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oVucI4CzT7M6/EHkj3nbp73APu/5S+L03zWSaIO79X1rWesv1CZ68bdTvV+S4GsbIEJlySMbdDGuLvb3XSuK5f8446h+tOfE0F22i+oaEjAaDstB9iiiBKJWgloWOKaguwMwXHWGoNcWthUTQMrJi25Wgtq0i2V2kPY/Skc1Qmk= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Glue question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Dan, I went with the quart bottles. The stuff goes pretty quickly, but not so much on the ribs. They are also easier to handle. I'm on my 4th set now. There is a tip I found very helpful in dispensing the stuff. I bought some 2 ton epoxy from Walmart ($1.97 each) and when I used the glue and emptied the syringes the stuff comes in, I cleaned the syringes out with acetone real well and then dried them with a clean cloth inside and then fill them with the T-88. I used several of them at one time. This makes dispensing the glue (1:1) real easy. I also used the blister pack (and every blister pack I could get my hands on) to mix the stuff. Hope this helps. I also made my glue sticks out of short pieces of capstrip sanded down on the bench sander to a chisel shape. This worked real well in spreading the glue. Doc rough guestimate on how much T-88 I > should start out with? Would a quart kit suffice, > or should I go for the 1/2 gallon right off the > bat... > > Dan Loegering > Fargo, ND > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:51 PM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lost Foam Gas Tank --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" I use hot melt glue to hold the various foam blocks together. You can hot wire cut or hand shape the blocks. The glue will dissolve just like the polystryrene foam with a solvent wash after you've cut the mold apart, for rebonding. Gordon Bowen ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:38 PM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass Gas Tank Question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" A good tight weave like 7781 will make a good tank, plus it's a satin weave which makes the compound curves and corners more easily formed. I think any epoxy will work, but Derakane (epoxy based vinyl ester) has a better chemical resistance plus you work it just like polyester or bondo, (just add a dab of mek peroxide to the resin) it kicks off fast. EZ-Poxy 10 plus EZ-83 hardener has a track record of over 35 years usage as a glass/epoxy gas tank in canard-pusher Rutan type aircraft. Gordon Bowen ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:58 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Glue question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Dan, I would go with the quart kit. T-88 does have a shelf life, in as much as after awhile the clear (not amber) does start to thicken. I only used 2 quart kits for my Piet. I didn't like to waste (even though all my joints had a nice fillet at the connecting pieces) The best way to mix T-88 is on a saucer. Cut the nozzles with the same size opening at the tip , and squeeze the same diameter bead , the same length for both A&B. Guys waste alot by mixing in a cup. Only time I used a cup was when I glued the ply to the fuse side or bottom, where you need lots of glue. Best application stick is a tongue depressor. Buy a package, or go to a local pharmacy and get them for about a dime apiece. Grab the round end in your teeth, about half way across, bite down , and pull the other part away from your face. Now you have 2 applicater sticks. Every time you're done using it, wipe off the tip. When it becomes "round" on the end, throw it out. (probably TMI, but I miss building) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Loegering" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glue question > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan Loegering" > > > Getting ready to purchase some wood and start cutting. I have decided to start on the wing ribs as my first project and was wondering if anyone out there has a rough guestimate on how much T-88 I should start out with? Would a quart kit suffice, or should I go for the 1/2 gallon right off the bat... Now just waiting for the plans to show up! > > Dan Loegering > Fargo, ND > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:41 PM PST US From: Pilots4ETW@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall In a message dated 3/1/2005 8:21:46 PM Central Standard Time, ddjohn@earthlink.net writes: > You can't use aluminum FAA won't allow on a "certificated" airplane, but still a very bad idea on an experimetal as well. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:12 PM PST US From: Pilots4ETW@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass Gas Tank Question I'm using the West system and ordered my supplies from Aircraft Spruce. I'm building one fuel tank (center section) using the lost foam method. A second tank in the center section (smaller) will be used for baby oil so I can out-smoke Chuck Gantzer. My fuselage tank will be built not from lost foam, but from a female (waxed) mold. I already had access to the gas tank mold and am too lazy to build one from scratch for the center section tanks. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:56 PM PST US From: Pilots4ETW@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost Foam Gas Tank Gordon: Many thanks for the tips on the tanks (not to be confused with tip tanks:) Roy Starting on the tanks tomorrow. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:34 PM PST US From: alexms1@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Glue question Dan, I looked at prices and it was $25.00 for a quart or $75.00 for the gallon. That seemed like a good saving so I went with the gallon.. Trouble was, it came in two half gallon containers. Pouring from them to measure small quantities was a pain. I have since ordered a quart and it comes in two pint containers. Much better to pour and measure from. Food for thought. Alex Sloan -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan Loegering" > > > Getting ready to purchase some wood and start cutting. I have decided to start > on the wing ribs as my first project and was wondering if anyone out there has a > rough guestimate on how much T-88 I should start out with? Would a quart kit > suffice, or should I go for the 1/2 gallon right off the bat... Now just > waiting for the plans to show up! > > Dan Loegering > Fargo, ND > > > > > > > > Dan, I looked at prices and it was $25.00 for a quart or $75.00 for the gallon. That seemed like a good saving so I went with the gallon.. Trouble was, it came in two half gallon containers. Pouring from them to measure small quantities was a pain. I have since ordered a quart and it comes in two pint containers. Much better to pour and measure from. Food for thought. Alex Sloan ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:38 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com One thing to keep in mind when using aluminum struts, is that aluminum is much less forgiving than steel. Aluminum requires accurate holes, and NO nicks or scratches. After put into service, nicks or scratches (stress risers) could render the part unservicable, and un-airworthy. If a bolt should loosen up, and woller out the hole slightly, the part is unservicable, and un-airworthy. For these reasons, I strongly suggest the use of steel. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG Smoke 'em, if ya got 'em !!