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1. 02:46 AM - Re: Kevlar (Pilots4ETW@wmconnect.com)
2. 09:07 AM - email test (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
3. 09:14 AM - Re: email test (walt evans)
4. 12:54 PM - Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 03:02 PM - Re: A-65 exhausts (walt evans)
6. 07:02 PM - Re: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
7. 08:37 PM - sanding glue joints (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
8. 08:47 PM - Re: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE (Rcaprd@aol.com)
9. 08:53 PM - Re: sanding glue joints (Galen Hutcheson)
10. 09:55 PM - Pietenpol Video Documentry (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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So, 4 layers of Kevlar over two layers of fiberglass in a fuel tank build up
(in a Pietenpol having the fuel tank a few feet away from the pilot, in a
wooden airplane) does not add any safety? In looking at a search of Kevlar=20fuel
tanks on the internet, many folks riding pocket rockets (fast motorcycles) are
switching to Kevlar gas tanks so they don't cook their nuts over an open fire.
Also, the radio control airplane people are using Kevlar gas tanks so their
expensive RC airplanes don't cook upon hard landings. And, many law enforcement
groups using Ford Crown Victorias are now using Kevlar so their officers
don't burn if rear ended.
Here are some links.
https://commerce67.datapipe.com/eraaviation/hs_gc_as_aux_fuel.stm
Era's Enhanced
External Auxiliary Fuel System
for Bell 412/212/205/UH-1H/V/N
Two externally mounted "Kevlar=C2=AE" fuel tanks providing an additional 140
gallons of usable fuel, extending endurance by 1.5 hours meets FAR 29.952 NPRM
crashworthiness criteria.
http://www.f1technical.net/article19.html
Fuel tank F1 cars use fuel tanks made from puncture-proof Kevlar. This
dramatically reduces the risk of any fire during an accident. The tank reshapes
itself in the area where any pressure is being put.
http://www.benlovejoy.com/concorde/crash.html
Third, the fuel tanks. The bottom of several of the fuel tanks were lined
with rubber-kevlar shielding, both to reduce the risk of debris reaching the
fuel, and to dramatically reduce the rate at which fuel would flow out through
a
leak.
http://www.amerindustrial.com/article.htm
Amer Industrial Technologies Inc., has designed a fire-resistant fuel tank
system for the Long Island Railroad that will allow tank full of fuel without
risking the spill of fuel or fumes in an accident. Ahmad Amer=E2=80=99s=20=E2=80=9Cbullet-proof=E2=80=9D
rail-road car, lined by a puncture-resistant bladder made of Du Pont Co.=E2=80=99s
Kevlar, can carry 500 pounds of fuel and withstand a collision with a load of up
to 250,000 pounds. Kevlar is the same material used in making bullet-proof
vests.
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/roadtests/4288/
The cars were shipped from the DAP facility to Mascotech for installation of
the special custom HD cooling system and the special 20-gallon Kevlar fuel
cell. Those who raced the 1993 Cobra R complained of too small a fuel tank,
forcing extra fuel stops in endurance races that cost them time and position on
the
track compared to the Camaros.
http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid141&did813
On Friday, with the cooperation of Ford, Florida state troopers began
installing Kevlar-reinforced tubs in their trunks, which are designed to organize
equipment so items don't shoot forward in a crash and puncture the gas tank.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.com>
test only - sorry
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
I received it.
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE |
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Pieters,
This bit of info is aimed at Chuck Gantzer but since the list needs to try
and keep up with him I'm sending it to all.
Had lunch today with a few gents from Springfield. Mo. During the lighter
lull in conversation I boldly asked about a legal nude beach up in the Ozarks.
Meekly the father stated that it was neither legal or illegal but it did exist.
He said the crowds gather with truckloads of beer and undress as the beer
supply decreases. The authorities just let them alone and all seem happy. So
Chuck, go on over low and slow and smoke em.
Corky your naughty Louisiana reporter
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Subject: | Re: A-65 exhausts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Oscar,
I made mine from "J.C. Whitneys" VW bypass exhaust pipes, for about $9.95
for two. The VW flange is the same as the continental, and by cutting up
the pipes, that are shaped like candy canes, with a little cutting/welding
and a little work you can have them for $10.00. You may have to add some
stock pipe from the auto store ( 1 1/4",,,I think)
walt evans
NX140DL
PS quite a few hours,,,and nothing flew off yet.
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 exhausts
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
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> Anybody have a set of left and right exhaust stacks for a Continental
> A-65/Aeronca 7AC for sale? It turns out that both the right and left
stacks
> on 41CC got bent in the nose-over and I'll probably replace both. Repairs
> coming along nicely...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE |
It isn't a "nude beach". It is a bunch of boats tied together at the Lake of the
Ozarks, MO. The area is called "party cove". I heard there was a court case
last year when someone was given a ticket by the water patrol for public nudity
and the court ruled since the lake is under maritime law, when a boat leaves
dock the occupants do not have to be fully clothed. As soon as one body part
touches the dock though, it is covered under land law and they can be ticketed.
The water patrol has never bothered trying to mess with party cove people,
probably because there are too many of them (many hundreds) and some of them are
well connected both legally and politically. One state representative got ticketed
for drunk boating a few years back and got the water patrols funding cut.
There are only a handful for the whole lake area.
Dennis
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Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE
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Pieters,
This bit of info is aimed at Chuck Gantzer but since the list needs to try and
keep up with him I'm sending it to all.
Had lunch today with a few gents from Springfield. Mo. During the lighter lull
in conversation I boldly asked about a legal nude beach up in the Ozarks. Meekly
the father stated that it was neither legal or illegal but it did exist.
He said the crowds gather with truckloads of beer and undress as the beer supply
decreases. The authorities just let them alone and all seem happy. So Chuck,
go on over low and slow and smoke em.
Corky your naughty Louisiana reporter
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Subject: | sanding glue joints |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.com>
In the advisory circular "acceptable methods.." section 1-6 "preparation of wood
surfaces for bonding" it states that sandpaper must never be used to smooth
softwood surfaces that are to be bonded. I built my fuselage by cutting the braces
on the table saw to a rough dimension and using a stationary disc sander
to get just the right fit. Does this mean that I'm building an expensive 2-seat
piece of firewood?
I did the same with the ribs I've been building.
Any thoughts on this?
Tom Brant
Brooklyn Park, MN
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Subject: | Re: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE |
In a message dated 3/12/2005 5:32:33 PM Central Standard Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
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Pieters,
This bit of info is aimed at Chuck Gantzer but since the list needs to try
and keep up with him I'm sending it to all.
Had lunch today with a few gents from Springfield. Mo. During the lighter
lull in conversation I boldly asked about a legal nude beach up in the Ozarks.
Meekly the father stated that it was neither legal or illegal but it did exist.
He said the crowds gather with truckloads of beer and undress as the beer
supply decreases. The authorities just let them alone and all seem happy. So
Chuck, go on over low and slow and smoke em.
Corky your naughty Louisiana reporter
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Hey Corky and Dennis,
Thanks for the report !! We now know the 'Who, What and Where', but we need
to know 'When' !! Hummmmm....you guys got me to planning...
I just bought a new Mini Digital Camcorder, and a new computer. It has
a great zoom lens, and a separate 4 Megapixel still camera in it. This thing
can do all kinds of stuff. With the help of Sterling Brooks, I'm learning how
to do Video Editing. One of the projects I'm going to do is a sort of
Documentry on building and flying the 'Pietenpol AirCamper.' - More on that
later...
Last summer, during my 'America Tour 04', I landed at Otten Memorial
Airport, and stayed in a motel in Versalles. That night, I planned the next days
flight path. I overflew the Lake of the Ozarks the next morning (well,
OK...late morning) on a Wednesday, so the lake seemed rather quiet, but with all
the
many docks, lakefront hotels, and lakeside mansions, the place begged me to
come back on a weekend !! That was one of the most beautiful legs of my
journey. It was also one of the longest - 3 1/2 hrs flight time, and landed at
Eureka, KS. There are 4 public airports on the lake, and 4 private airports.
I
found out that one of the private airports is an EAA community type airport, so
I doubt that if an ol 'Pietenpol' landed there, anybody would be too upset.
I'm thinking that if I brought along a rubber raft in the front cockpit, and a
couple of 12 packs, I could paddle right up, and dock along with all the
other water craft..."Hey Baby, show me your ti_ _ !! "
C'mon SUMMERTIME !!
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Re: sanding glue joints |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Tom, you are doing fine. Some will not agree, but
glue two pieces of spruce (both sanded) as in a test
joint and then cut through the joint and see just how
far the glue absorbs into the wood. If you are using
T-88 or evuivalent, then you will get good penetration
whether you sand or not. I did mine both ways (sanded
or saw mitered) and found no difference in the
strength of the joints.
Doc
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> In the advisory circular "acceptable methods.."
> section 1-6 "preparation of wood surfaces for
> bonding" it states that sandpaper must never be used
> to smooth softwood surfaces that are to be bonded.
> I built my fuselage by cutting the braces on the
> table saw to a rough dimension and using a
> stationary disc sander to get just the right fit.
> Does this mean that I'm building an expensive 2-seat
> piece of firewood?
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> I did the same with the ribs I've been building.
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> Any thoughts on this?
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> Tom Brant
> Brooklyn Park, MN
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Subject: | Pietenpol Video Documentry |
To all you Pietenpol Enthusiasts,
I've started doing this video on the building and flying the Pietenpol
Aircamper, and I'm asking everyone to make suggestions as to what I should
include in the video. Sterling Brooks has been VERY helpful to me on this
project...Thank You Sterling !!
To introduce the video, I think I will go over some of the reasons that
folks have always had the urge to fly. I will also go into the history of the
Pietenpol, with information found on the Pietenpol Family Web Site. A part=20of
that history, is that the plans sold by the Pietenpol Family is the exact
plans drawn up by Orrin Hoopman, and designed by Bernard Harold Pietenpol. =20This
is the reason I am against updating the original plans. It's part of the rich
history of our beloved design. However, in my video, I am going to go over
each of the errors, and not so clear points on the plans, that need to be
clarified. I will also mention all the pertinent documents, and books, that the
builder needs to study, as well as all the hints & tips that I can think of. I
will include a method of tying the bunji chords. I will also include the need
to use the strap fittings on the belly, between the Landing Gear Lugs / Lift
Strut Fittings. Today, I carried the camera around with me, during a
pre-flight, and talked about each item I was inspecting...then the camera battery
went
dead. I'm also going to do quite a bit of aerial view points with the camera
with background music, and some ground based shots of take offs, and
landings...I hope I can grease a few landings for the camera !!
As far as the errors go, here are the ones that I know of :
Drawing No. 3 - lower left hand corner, the Bottom Fitting Plates show a
dashed line that says 'BEND UP 20=BA HERE.' It should read BEND UP 30=BA HERE,
or
Maintain alignment with the Lift Struts.
Drawing No. 4 - in the lower left corner, the drawing of the Center Strut
Fittings (to of the Cabane Struts) is unclear that there are but TWO pieces, that
overlap each other, kind of a U into a U. It is NOT three pieces.
Drawing No. 4 - Flying Strut Fittings 4 Req'd The angle of the strut
fittings should be installed in line with the lift struts, not at the sharp=20angle
called out in the plans.
Drawing No. 5 - the Measurements of Wing Rib Profile, there are a couple of
measurements that are a little short, and cause the top profile of the rib to
dip in. You should loft these points on your rib jig, then just blend the
crooked line on the top, so it is a smooth transition.
Drawing No. 5 - the Wing Beam Details (Main Spars) show an outdated method of
splicing the spars, and not recognized by AC43.13. The correct method of
scarf splice is called out in that AC.
Can anyone point out any other areas of the plans that are not clear ?
Any other suggestions on what I should include in the video ?
Should I include all the infomation I have about builders and flyers ?
How about an overview about building a prop ?
I hope to put together a useful, and enjoyable DVD, but I'm not going to
release it until it is 'Just Right'.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
itching to burn some DVD's
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