---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/12/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:46 AM - Re: Kevlar (Pilots4ETW@wmconnect.com) 2. 09:07 AM - email test (tmbrant1@netzero.com) 3. 09:14 AM - Re: email test (walt evans) 4. 12:54 PM - Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE (Isablcorky@aol.com) 5. 03:02 PM - Re: A-65 exhausts (walt evans) 6. 07:02 PM - Re: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 7. 08:37 PM - sanding glue joints (tmbrant1@netzero.com) 8. 08:47 PM - Re: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE (Rcaprd@aol.com) 9. 08:53 PM - Re: sanding glue joints (Galen Hutcheson) 10. 09:55 PM - Pietenpol Video Documentry (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:10 AM PST US From: Pilots4ETW@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar So, 4 layers of Kevlar over two layers of fiberglass in a fuel tank build up (in a Pietenpol having the fuel tank a few feet away from the pilot, in a wooden airplane) does not add any safety? In looking at a search of Kevlar=20fuel tanks on the internet, many folks riding pocket rockets (fast motorcycles) are switching to Kevlar gas tanks so they don't cook their nuts over an open fire. Also, the radio control airplane people are using Kevlar gas tanks so their expensive RC airplanes don't cook upon hard landings. And, many law enforcement groups using Ford Crown Victorias are now using Kevlar so their officers don't burn if rear ended. Here are some links. https://commerce67.datapipe.com/eraaviation/hs_gc_as_aux_fuel.stm Era's Enhanced External Auxiliary Fuel System for Bell 412/212/205/UH-1H/V/N Two externally mounted "Kevlar=C2=AE" fuel tanks providing an additional 140 gallons of usable fuel, extending endurance by 1.5 hours meets FAR 29.952 NPRM crashworthiness criteria. http://www.f1technical.net/article19.html Fuel tank F1 cars use fuel tanks made from puncture-proof Kevlar. This dramatically reduces the risk of any fire during an accident. The tank reshapes itself in the area where any pressure is being put. http://www.benlovejoy.com/concorde/crash.html Third, the fuel tanks. The bottom of several of the fuel tanks were lined with rubber-kevlar shielding, both to reduce the risk of debris reaching the fuel, and to dramatically reduce the rate at which fuel would flow out through a leak. http://www.amerindustrial.com/article.htm Amer Industrial Technologies Inc., has designed a fire-resistant fuel tank system for the Long Island Railroad that will allow tank full of fuel without risking the spill of fuel or fumes in an accident. Ahmad Amer=E2=80=99s=20=E2=80=9Cbullet-proof=E2=80=9D rail-road car, lined by a puncture-resistant bladder made of Du Pont Co.=E2=80=99s Kevlar, can carry 500 pounds of fuel and withstand a collision with a load of up to 250,000 pounds. Kevlar is the same material used in making bullet-proof vests. http://www.mustang50magazine.com/roadtests/4288/ The cars were shipped from the DAP facility to Mascotech for installation of the special custom HD cooling system and the special 20-gallon Kevlar fuel cell. Those who raced the 1993 Cobra R complained of too small a fuel tank, forcing extra fuel stops in endurance races that cost them time and position on the track compared to the Camaros. http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid141&did813 On Friday, with the cooperation of Ford, Florida state troopers began installing Kevlar-reinforced tubs in their trunks, which are designed to organize equipment so items don't shoot forward in a crash and puncture the gas tank. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:45 AM PST US From: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: email test --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" test only - sorry ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:59 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: email test --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" I received it. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: email test > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" > > > test only - sorry > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:05 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE Do not archive Pieters, This bit of info is aimed at Chuck Gantzer but since the list needs to try and keep up with him I'm sending it to all. Had lunch today with a few gents from Springfield. Mo. During the lighter lull in conversation I boldly asked about a legal nude beach up in the Ozarks. Meekly the father stated that it was neither legal or illegal but it did exist. He said the crowds gather with truckloads of beer and undress as the beer supply decreases. The authorities just let them alone and all seem happy. So Chuck, go on over low and slow and smoke em. Corky your naughty Louisiana reporter Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:23 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 exhausts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Oscar, I made mine from "J.C. Whitneys" VW bypass exhaust pipes, for about $9.95 for two. The VW flange is the same as the continental, and by cutting up the pipes, that are shaped like candy canes, with a little cutting/welding and a little work you can have them for $10.00. You may have to add some stock pipe from the auto store ( 1 1/4",,,I think) walt evans NX140DL PS quite a few hours,,,and nothing flew off yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 exhausts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Anybody have a set of left and right exhaust stacks for a Continental > A-65/Aeronca 7AC for sale? It turns out that both the right and left stacks > on 41CC got bent in the nose-over and I'll probably replace both. Repairs > coming along nicely... > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:51 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE It isn't a "nude beach". It is a bunch of boats tied together at the Lake of the Ozarks, MO. The area is called "party cove". I heard there was a court case last year when someone was given a ticket by the water patrol for public nudity and the court ruled since the lake is under maritime law, when a boat leaves dock the occupants do not have to be fully clothed. As soon as one body part touches the dock though, it is covered under land law and they can be ticketed. The water patrol has never bothered trying to mess with party cove people, probably because there are too many of them (many hundreds) and some of them are well connected both legally and politically. One state representative got ticketed for drunk boating a few years back and got the water patrols funding cut. There are only a handful for the whole lake area. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE Do not archive Pieters, This bit of info is aimed at Chuck Gantzer but since the list needs to try and keep up with him I'm sending it to all. Had lunch today with a few gents from Springfield. Mo. During the lighter lull in conversation I boldly asked about a legal nude beach up in the Ozarks. Meekly the father stated that it was neither legal or illegal but it did exist. He said the crowds gather with truckloads of beer and undress as the beer supply decreases. The authorities just let them alone and all seem happy. So Chuck, go on over low and slow and smoke em. Corky your naughty Louisiana reporter Do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:48 PM PST US From: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: sanding glue joints --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" In the advisory circular "acceptable methods.." section 1-6 "preparation of wood surfaces for bonding" it states that sandpaper must never be used to smooth softwood surfaces that are to be bonded. I built my fuselage by cutting the braces on the table saw to a rough dimension and using a stationary disc sander to get just the right fit. Does this mean that I'm building an expensive 2-seat piece of firewood? I did the same with the ribs I've been building. Any thoughts on this? Tom Brant Brooklyn Park, MN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:23 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Info for Chuck Gantzer about PARTY COVE In a message dated 3/12/2005 5:32:33 PM Central Standard Time, Isablcorky@aol.com writes: Do not archive Pieters, This bit of info is aimed at Chuck Gantzer but since the list needs to try and keep up with him I'm sending it to all. Had lunch today with a few gents from Springfield. Mo. During the lighter lull in conversation I boldly asked about a legal nude beach up in the Ozarks. Meekly the father stated that it was neither legal or illegal but it did exist. He said the crowds gather with truckloads of beer and undress as the beer supply decreases. The authorities just let them alone and all seem happy. So Chuck, go on over low and slow and smoke em. Corky your naughty Louisiana reporter Do not archive Hey Corky and Dennis, Thanks for the report !! We now know the 'Who, What and Where', but we need to know 'When' !! Hummmmm....you guys got me to planning... I just bought a new Mini Digital Camcorder, and a new computer. It has a great zoom lens, and a separate 4 Megapixel still camera in it. This thing can do all kinds of stuff. With the help of Sterling Brooks, I'm learning how to do Video Editing. One of the projects I'm going to do is a sort of Documentry on building and flying the 'Pietenpol AirCamper.' - More on that later... Last summer, during my 'America Tour 04', I landed at Otten Memorial Airport, and stayed in a motel in Versalles. That night, I planned the next days flight path. I overflew the Lake of the Ozarks the next morning (well, OK...late morning) on a Wednesday, so the lake seemed rather quiet, but with all the many docks, lakefront hotels, and lakeside mansions, the place begged me to come back on a weekend !! That was one of the most beautiful legs of my journey. It was also one of the longest - 3 1/2 hrs flight time, and landed at Eureka, KS. There are 4 public airports on the lake, and 4 private airports. I found out that one of the private airports is an EAA community type airport, so I doubt that if an ol 'Pietenpol' landed there, anybody would be too upset. I'm thinking that if I brought along a rubber raft in the front cockpit, and a couple of 12 packs, I could paddle right up, and dock along with all the other water craft..."Hey Baby, show me your ti_ _ !! " C'mon SUMMERTIME !! Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:44 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=fCvfI7MrJ88WRcZSdwGNw2m88E16M8DjjJudTKxH+abmq2hSVtyJiFWss1vzBtPej0tBHy8xJYT6/MzAZOA60ng7C8js0pNNgg+YnW/CQnvR4S6HMx3DIZoFqM5iAH/ov5deGnYahkijHg5lwdnk7v+b9TKqU6/bkqHx0NEAkfw= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sanding glue joints --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Tom, you are doing fine. Some will not agree, but glue two pieces of spruce (both sanded) as in a test joint and then cut through the joint and see just how far the glue absorbs into the wood. If you are using T-88 or evuivalent, then you will get good penetration whether you sand or not. I did mine both ways (sanded or saw mitered) and found no difference in the strength of the joints. Doc --- "tmbrant1@netzero.com" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > "tmbrant1@netzero.com" > > > In the advisory circular "acceptable methods.." > section 1-6 "preparation of wood surfaces for > bonding" it states that sandpaper must never be used > to smooth softwood surfaces that are to be bonded. > I built my fuselage by cutting the braces on the > table saw to a rough dimension and using a > stationary disc sander to get just the right fit. > Does this mean that I'm building an expensive 2-seat > piece of firewood? > > I did the same with the ribs I've been building. > > Any thoughts on this? > > Tom Brant > Brooklyn Park, MN > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:00 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Video Documentry To all you Pietenpol Enthusiasts, I've started doing this video on the building and flying the Pietenpol Aircamper, and I'm asking everyone to make suggestions as to what I should include in the video. Sterling Brooks has been VERY helpful to me on this project...Thank You Sterling !! To introduce the video, I think I will go over some of the reasons that folks have always had the urge to fly. I will also go into the history of the Pietenpol, with information found on the Pietenpol Family Web Site. A part=20of that history, is that the plans sold by the Pietenpol Family is the exact plans drawn up by Orrin Hoopman, and designed by Bernard Harold Pietenpol. =20This is the reason I am against updating the original plans. It's part of the rich history of our beloved design. However, in my video, I am going to go over each of the errors, and not so clear points on the plans, that need to be clarified. I will also mention all the pertinent documents, and books, that the builder needs to study, as well as all the hints & tips that I can think of. I will include a method of tying the bunji chords. I will also include the need to use the strap fittings on the belly, between the Landing Gear Lugs / Lift Strut Fittings. Today, I carried the camera around with me, during a pre-flight, and talked about each item I was inspecting...then the camera battery went dead. I'm also going to do quite a bit of aerial view points with the camera with background music, and some ground based shots of take offs, and landings...I hope I can grease a few landings for the camera !! As far as the errors go, here are the ones that I know of : Drawing No. 3 - lower left hand corner, the Bottom Fitting Plates show a dashed line that says 'BEND UP 20=BA HERE.' It should read BEND UP 30=BA HERE, or Maintain alignment with the Lift Struts. Drawing No. 4 - in the lower left corner, the drawing of the Center Strut Fittings (to of the Cabane Struts) is unclear that there are but TWO pieces, that overlap each other, kind of a U into a U. It is NOT three pieces. Drawing No. 4 - Flying Strut Fittings 4 Req'd The angle of the strut fittings should be installed in line with the lift struts, not at the sharp=20angle called out in the plans. Drawing No. 5 - the Measurements of Wing Rib Profile, there are a couple of measurements that are a little short, and cause the top profile of the rib to dip in. You should loft these points on your rib jig, then just blend the crooked line on the top, so it is a smooth transition. Drawing No. 5 - the Wing Beam Details (Main Spars) show an outdated method of splicing the spars, and not recognized by AC43.13. The correct method of scarf splice is called out in that AC. Can anyone point out any other areas of the plans that are not clear ? Any other suggestions on what I should include in the video ? Should I include all the infomation I have about builders and flyers ? How about an overview about building a prop ? I hope to put together a useful, and enjoyable DVD, but I'm not going to release it until it is 'Just Right'. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG itching to burn some DVD's