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1. 12:18 AM - Re: Prop carving machine on Ebay (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:47 AM - Fw: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy System Warning (Sterling)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: Prop carving (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
4. 10:38 AM - Prop duplicator (rhartwig11@juno.com)
5. 02:17 PM - A good day at the hangar (Dick Navratil)
6. 03:20 PM - Re: A good day at the hangar (DJ Vegh)
7. 04:11 PM - Re: A good day at the hangar (Frank Metcalfe)
8. 07:16 PM - Well gone an did it today (Mark Blackwell)
9. 07:41 PM - Re: *****SPAM***** Prop duplicator (Sterling)
10. 10:39 PM - Re: Well gone an did it today (Galen Hutcheson)
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Subject: | Re: Prop carving machine on Ebay |
Found it! Finally! I knew I had plans for this somewhere.
I haven't made or used this thing yet but it looks pretty
simple. Below is the source;
Gary McGill & Associates
PO Box 2566
Glendale, AZ 85311-2566
gemcsr@juno.com
VW two cylinder engine conversion plans and parts.
Here's some other stuff;
http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Carve_Prop.html
http://www.flyingflea.org/docs/WoodenProps.htm
http://members.tripod.com/moasiaircraft/simple_propeller_design.htm
http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Glue_for_Props.html
http://www.kenfern.btinternet.co.uk/frame.htm
http://www.wood-carver.com/articles.html
And finally, my favourite;
http://www.woodenpropeller.com/index.html
Clif
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop carving machine on Ebay
Ebay item number 4534710618
Does anyone have experience with making this device? Pros - cons?
Thanks,
Sterling
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Subject: | Fw: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy System Warning |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
I read the RV, Tailwind and KitFox lists just to see what the other guys are
up to. One poster added this comment about epoxy. He specifically names West
Epoxy, but West isn't the culprit, it's just the components in epoxy.
For what it's worth, it makes an interesting read. (I ALWAYS use gloves when
working around epoxy, MEK and acetone.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy System Warning
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Don, I have to echo your warnings to everyone. I built a KR-1 over 28
years
> ago, then a KR-2. Both are built using epoxy as the resin for fiberglass
> cloth (more flexible than polyester.) During construction, I did not wear
> gloves at all, and often had my hands and arms dripping with the stuff. It
> even got into my hair. I sensitized my hands after the KR-1. Every time I
> was exposed to the epoxy, or even its fumes, it was like someone poured
> scalding water over my skin. My skin would just act exactly like it was
> badly burned, and hurt as bad too. Luckily, the sensitized areas were just
> my hands and arms, but not ALL areas. There were patches of my skin that
> were not affected.
>
> Needless to say, after the KR-2, I said bye-bye to building composite
> planes.
>
> To this day, many years later, I still get burned by just being near epoxy
> fumes. And I sure do not work with it.
>
> So I sympathize with you Don! I hope your face heals quickly. Did you go
to
> a Dr yet? Maybe there is something they can do to make it heal faster.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy System Warning
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> I posted a few days back that I had another episode with West Epoxy.
Once
> a
> person becomes sensitized to epoxy, it is for life (that is per West
> Epoxy).
> A couple weeks ago, my Son wanted to fill a small crack on his boat and
I
> offered to help. He mixed it up while I watched close by. Even that
> close
> and it nailed me good. I have lost at least two layers of skin around my
> nose
> and mouth. Tonight, it had stopped peeling and starting to itch. I
gently
>
> rubbed my face to make it feel better and all of a sudden, I had two
> palmfuls
> of blood. There isn't enough skin left on my face to hold back the
blood.
> We've talked about MEK and other chemical we use and how bad they can
> be
> to an airplane builder. Trust me folks, you don't want to become
> sensitized
> to epoxy. West says that it will get worse and worse at each exposure.
> They are telling the truth.
> When you use this stuff, you better get into full dress with an
> external
> air source. I'm having a hard time understanding how they can even sell
> this stuff.
> BTW, I've used West Epoxy rarely on and off for years and it never
> bothered me until I built the Fox. I put out this warning tonight
because,
> quite
> frankly, I'm a bit worried this time. All you tough guys that might say,
> "stuff don't bother me". STAND-BY
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Prop carving |
Clif,
Great post. I changed the title line for the archives.
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
In a message dated 3/18/05 3:19:06 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca writes:
Found it! Finally! I knew I had plans for this somewhere.
I haven't made or used this thing yet but it looks pretty
simple. Below is the source;
Gary McGill & Associates
PO Box 2566
Glendale, AZ 85311-2566
_gemcsr@juno.com_ (mailto:gemcsr@juno.com)
VW two cylinder engine conversion plans and parts.
Here's some other stuff;
_http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Carve_Prop.html_
(http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Carve_Prop.html)
_http://www.flyingflea.org/docs/WoodenProps.htm_
(http://www.flyingflea.org/docs/WoodenProps.htm)
_http://members.tripod.com/moasiaircraft/simple_propeller_design.htm_
(http://members.tripod.com/moasiaircraft/simple_propeller_design.htm)
_http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Glue_for_Props.html_
(http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Glue_for_Props.html)
_http://www.kenfern.btinternet.co.uk/frame.htm_
(http://www.kenfern.btinternet.co.uk/frame.htm)
_http://www.wood-carver.com/articles.html_
(http://www.wood-carver.com/articles.html)
And finally, my favourite;
_http://www.woodenpropeller.com/index.html_
(http://www.woodenpropeller.com/index.html)
Clif
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
Sterling,
I can't tell much from the poor photo on Ebay. I have a duplicator
(don't know if it is the same one)which is like a wooden box with 4 sides
made of 3/4 inch ply. The sides are hinged together and hinged to a
trolley. The trolley runs on 4 wheels made of pulleys that ride on
tracks made of 1/2 inch angle iron. The side opposite the side that is
attached to the trolley has a bullnose 1/2 inch probe attached to one
corner and a router with 1/2 inch core box bit attached to the other
corner. My description is probably as clear as mud, but this tool has
been used to make several good props and is as good as the operator. I
obviously was not the operator. I could bring it to Brodhead if you are
going to be there this year
Dick Hartwig
Waunakee, WI
rhartwig11@juno.com
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Subject: | A good day at the hangar |
I uncrated my new engine and did a first test fitting today. This is the Rotec
R-2800. I have attached a pic. It's starting to look like an airplane of sorts.
This is the fuselage that we built at Sun n Fun.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Re: A good day at the hangar |
Dick,
my dad was considering that engine for his Fisher Celebrity project but ended up
opting for a Corvair. I sure am fond of those Rotec R-2800's They look
great!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good day at the hangar
I uncrated my new engine and did a first test fitting today. This is the Rotec
R-2800. I have attached a pic. It's starting to look like an airplane of
sorts. This is the fuselage that we built at Sun n Fun.
Dick N.
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Subject: | A good day at the hangar |
Very cool !! Good looking engine cant wait to see that on fly !!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick Navratil
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:16 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good day at the hangar
I uncrated my new engine and did a first test fitting today. This is the
Rotec R-2800. I have attached a pic. It's starting to look like an
airplane of sorts. This is the fuselage that we built at Sun n Fun.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Well gone an did it today |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell <aerialphotos@dp.net>
Well my day started off a bit differently. I picked up the phone before
making a final decision and talked to Don Peitenpol. I haven't started
a day in a better way in a very long time. Super guy that seems to love
aviation with a true appreciation of avation history. He should, he did
have a rather unique view of it. His willingness to answer questions
and his just generally being a nice man told me this really is the
airplane for me and I ordered the plans.
Ive never tackled a project like this, but Don was very encouraging. It
will be a while before I finally start cutting wood, but the first step
was taken today and would welcome any advise and recomendations on any
special tools I might need to make life easier.
Mark
>
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Subject: | Re: Prop duplicator |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
Dick:
Thanks very much for the offer, but a fellow builder down the road in Dallas
is sending me his plans. Not sure about Brodhead this year. I'm saving my
nickles and dimes and I hope to fly my airplane to Brodhead the following
year.
Sterling Brooks
Knot-2-Shabby Airport
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <rhartwig11@juno.com>
Subject: *****SPAM***** Pietenpol-List: Prop duplicator
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
>
> Sterling,
> I can't tell much from the poor photo on Ebay. I have a duplicator
> (don't know if it is the same one)which is like a wooden box with 4 sides
> made of 3/4 inch ply. The sides are hinged together and hinged to a
> trolley. The trolley runs on 4 wheels made of pulleys that ride on
> tracks made of 1/2 inch angle iron. The side opposite the side that is
> attached to the trolley has a bullnose 1/2 inch probe attached to one
> corner and a router with 1/2 inch core box bit attached to the other
> corner. My description is probably as clear as mud, but this tool has
> been used to make several good props and is as good as the operator. I
> obviously was not the operator. I could bring it to Brodhead if you are
> going to be there this year
> Dick Hartwig
> Waunakee, WI
> rhartwig11@juno.com
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Well gone an did it today |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Mark, congratulations, but don't wait too long after
getting the plans to start work on the project. Best
to get started as soon as possible. A small workshop
is helpful. I use my garage. A work bench. I use a
table saw frequently as well as a small band saw and a
miter saw. I also use a Dremel tool often. A tack
hamer and I use tweesers for holding the very small
nails for securing the gussetts on while the glue
dries. I also have a larger band saw with a metal
cutting blade for the metal work. I have an
acetylene/oxy torch with an "O" size welding tip to
make the welds with. I also use a Stanley
forming/shaping tool and a good wood rasp. Lots of
sand paper and a disc and belt sander are very
helpful. Lots of glue clamps for sure. These items
don't all have to be bought at one time, you can
acquire them over several weeks as you progress on the
project. You will love working on the plane and this
is coming from a guy who spent 32 years of flying and
had never built before in his life. It is a lot of
fun to build and does take a lot of time, but it is
far more fun than watching tv and much more rewarding
too. You will save big bucks if you go to the lumber
yard and purchase your wood there and cut the pieces
you need. Baltic birch is a great plywood. You can
get good A/C grade 1/16th inch birch ply from a good
hobby store. It takes more work this way, but you
will save a lot of money. Everyone on this list is
very helpful and will answer all your questions for
you, just ask. Best wishes and happy building.
Doc
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> but the first step
> was taken today and would welcome any advise and
> recomendations on any
> special tools I might need to make life easier.
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