---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/18/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:18 AM - Re: Prop carving machine on Ebay (Clif Dawson) 2. 04:47 AM - Fw: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy System Warning (Sterling) 3. 06:18 AM - Re: Prop carving (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 4. 10:38 AM - Prop duplicator (rhartwig11@juno.com) 5. 02:17 PM - A good day at the hangar (Dick Navratil) 6. 03:20 PM - Re: A good day at the hangar (DJ Vegh) 7. 04:11 PM - Re: A good day at the hangar (Frank Metcalfe) 8. 07:16 PM - Well gone an did it today (Mark Blackwell) 9. 07:41 PM - Re: *****SPAM***** Prop duplicator (Sterling) 10. 10:39 PM - Re: Well gone an did it today (Galen Hutcheson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:34 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop carving machine on Ebay Found it! Finally! I knew I had plans for this somewhere. I haven't made or used this thing yet but it looks pretty simple. Below is the source; Gary McGill & Associates PO Box 2566 Glendale, AZ 85311-2566 gemcsr@juno.com VW two cylinder engine conversion plans and parts. Here's some other stuff; http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Carve_Prop.html http://www.flyingflea.org/docs/WoodenProps.htm http://members.tripod.com/moasiaircraft/simple_propeller_design.htm http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Glue_for_Props.html http://www.kenfern.btinternet.co.uk/frame.htm http://www.wood-carver.com/articles.html And finally, my favourite; http://www.woodenpropeller.com/index.html Clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop carving machine on Ebay Ebay item number 4534710618 Does anyone have experience with making this device? Pros - cons? Thanks, Sterling ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:58 AM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy System Warning --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" I read the RV, Tailwind and KitFox lists just to see what the other guys are up to. One poster added this comment about epoxy. He specifically names West Epoxy, but West isn't the culprit, it's just the components in epoxy. For what it's worth, it makes an interesting read. (I ALWAYS use gloves when working around epoxy, MEK and acetone.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy System Warning > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > Don, I have to echo your warnings to everyone. I built a KR-1 over 28 years > ago, then a KR-2. Both are built using epoxy as the resin for fiberglass > cloth (more flexible than polyester.) During construction, I did not wear > gloves at all, and often had my hands and arms dripping with the stuff. It > even got into my hair. I sensitized my hands after the KR-1. Every time I > was exposed to the epoxy, or even its fumes, it was like someone poured > scalding water over my skin. My skin would just act exactly like it was > badly burned, and hurt as bad too. Luckily, the sensitized areas were just > my hands and arms, but not ALL areas. There were patches of my skin that > were not affected. > > Needless to say, after the KR-2, I said bye-bye to building composite > planes. > > To this day, many years later, I still get burned by just being near epoxy > fumes. And I sure do not work with it. > > So I sympathize with you Don! I hope your face heals quickly. Did you go to > a Dr yet? Maybe there is something they can do to make it heal faster. > > Don Pearsall > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > AlbertaIV@aol.com > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy System Warning > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > I posted a few days back that I had another episode with West Epoxy. Once > a > person becomes sensitized to epoxy, it is for life (that is per West > Epoxy). > A couple weeks ago, my Son wanted to fill a small crack on his boat and I > offered to help. He mixed it up while I watched close by. Even that > close > and it nailed me good. I have lost at least two layers of skin around my > nose > and mouth. Tonight, it had stopped peeling and starting to itch. I gently > > rubbed my face to make it feel better and all of a sudden, I had two > palmfuls > of blood. There isn't enough skin left on my face to hold back the blood. > We've talked about MEK and other chemical we use and how bad they can > be > to an airplane builder. Trust me folks, you don't want to become > sensitized > to epoxy. West says that it will get worse and worse at each exposure. > They are telling the truth. > When you use this stuff, you better get into full dress with an > external > air source. I'm having a hard time understanding how they can even sell > this stuff. > BTW, I've used West Epoxy rarely on and off for years and it never > bothered me until I built the Fox. I put out this warning tonight because, > quite > frankly, I'm a bit worried this time. All you tough guys that might say, > "stuff don't bother me". STAND-BY > > Don Smythe > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:15 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop carving Clif, Great post. I changed the title line for the archives. Dan Hopper Walton, IN In a message dated 3/18/05 3:19:06 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time, CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca writes: Found it! Finally! I knew I had plans for this somewhere. I haven't made or used this thing yet but it looks pretty simple. Below is the source; Gary McGill & Associates PO Box 2566 Glendale, AZ 85311-2566 _gemcsr@juno.com_ (mailto:gemcsr@juno.com) VW two cylinder engine conversion plans and parts. Here's some other stuff; _http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Carve_Prop.html_ (http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Carve_Prop.html) _http://www.flyingflea.org/docs/WoodenProps.htm_ (http://www.flyingflea.org/docs/WoodenProps.htm) _http://members.tripod.com/moasiaircraft/simple_propeller_design.htm_ (http://members.tripod.com/moasiaircraft/simple_propeller_design.htm) _http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Glue_for_Props.html_ (http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Glue_for_Props.html) _http://www.kenfern.btinternet.co.uk/frame.htm_ (http://www.kenfern.btinternet.co.uk/frame.htm) _http://www.wood-carver.com/articles.html_ (http://www.wood-carver.com/articles.html) And finally, my favourite; _http://www.woodenpropeller.com/index.html_ (http://www.woodenpropeller.com/index.html) Clif ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop duplicator From: rhartwig11@juno.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com Sterling, I can't tell much from the poor photo on Ebay. I have a duplicator (don't know if it is the same one)which is like a wooden box with 4 sides made of 3/4 inch ply. The sides are hinged together and hinged to a trolley. The trolley runs on 4 wheels made of pulleys that ride on tracks made of 1/2 inch angle iron. The side opposite the side that is attached to the trolley has a bullnose 1/2 inch probe attached to one corner and a router with 1/2 inch core box bit attached to the other corner. My description is probably as clear as mud, but this tool has been used to make several good props and is as good as the operator. I obviously was not the operator. I could bring it to Brodhead if you are going to be there this year Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:02 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good day at the hangar I uncrated my new engine and did a first test fitting today. This is the Rotec R-2800. I have attached a pic. It's starting to look like an airplane of sorts. This is the fuselage that we built at Sun n Fun. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:13 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A good day at the hangar Dick, my dad was considering that engine for his Fisher Celebrity project but ended up opting for a Corvair. I sure am fond of those Rotec R-2800's They look great! DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good day at the hangar I uncrated my new engine and did a first test fitting today. This is the Rotec R-2800. I have attached a pic. It's starting to look like an airplane of sorts. This is the fuselage that we built at Sun n Fun. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:38 PM PST US From: "Frank Metcalfe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A good day at the hangar Very cool !! Good looking engine cant wait to see that on fly !! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:16 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good day at the hangar I uncrated my new engine and did a first test fitting today. This is the Rotec R-2800. I have attached a pic. It's starting to look like an airplane of sorts. This is the fuselage that we built at Sun n Fun. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:05 PM PST US From: Mark Blackwell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Well gone an did it today --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell Well my day started off a bit differently. I picked up the phone before making a final decision and talked to Don Peitenpol. I haven't started a day in a better way in a very long time. Super guy that seems to love aviation with a true appreciation of avation history. He should, he did have a rather unique view of it. His willingness to answer questions and his just generally being a nice man told me this really is the airplane for me and I ordered the plans. Ive never tackled a project like this, but Don was very encouraging. It will be a while before I finally start cutting wood, but the first step was taken today and would welcome any advise and recomendations on any special tools I might need to make life easier. Mark > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:32 PM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: *****SPAM***** Pietenpol-List: Prop duplicator --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" Dick: Thanks very much for the offer, but a fellow builder down the road in Dallas is sending me his plans. Not sure about Brodhead this year. I'm saving my nickles and dimes and I hope to fly my airplane to Brodhead the following year. Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: *****SPAM***** Pietenpol-List: Prop duplicator > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com > > Sterling, > I can't tell much from the poor photo on Ebay. I have a duplicator > (don't know if it is the same one)which is like a wooden box with 4 sides > made of 3/4 inch ply. The sides are hinged together and hinged to a > trolley. The trolley runs on 4 wheels made of pulleys that ride on > tracks made of 1/2 inch angle iron. The side opposite the side that is > attached to the trolley has a bullnose 1/2 inch probe attached to one > corner and a router with 1/2 inch core box bit attached to the other > corner. My description is probably as clear as mud, but this tool has > been used to make several good props and is as good as the operator. I > obviously was not the operator. I could bring it to Brodhead if you are > going to be there this year > Dick Hartwig > Waunakee, WI > rhartwig11@juno.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:45 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=LuEzqE6Scrg5OADfTEgnX+9RwuBorsogklb9ZdlhAJY7OiFUk1+kX5ygdZBdnn74qSdrO1kQ+brEMAfSnsUi77FDeLZxpLy98kSlFMft8cmzhcfE1FYhOGMfJdCUiaU7pCyeQYliAcCO+LwoevH26fPSVVtC3S+6szTyS5EtMPo= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Well gone an did it today --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Mark, congratulations, but don't wait too long after getting the plans to start work on the project. Best to get started as soon as possible. A small workshop is helpful. I use my garage. A work bench. I use a table saw frequently as well as a small band saw and a miter saw. I also use a Dremel tool often. A tack hamer and I use tweesers for holding the very small nails for securing the gussetts on while the glue dries. I also have a larger band saw with a metal cutting blade for the metal work. I have an acetylene/oxy torch with an "O" size welding tip to make the welds with. I also use a Stanley forming/shaping tool and a good wood rasp. Lots of sand paper and a disc and belt sander are very helpful. Lots of glue clamps for sure. These items don't all have to be bought at one time, you can acquire them over several weeks as you progress on the project. You will love working on the plane and this is coming from a guy who spent 32 years of flying and had never built before in his life. It is a lot of fun to build and does take a lot of time, but it is far more fun than watching tv and much more rewarding too. You will save big bucks if you go to the lumber yard and purchase your wood there and cut the pieces you need. Baltic birch is a great plywood. You can get good A/C grade 1/16th inch birch ply from a good hobby store. It takes more work this way, but you will save a lot of money. Everyone on this list is very helpful and will answer all your questions for you, just ask. Best wishes and happy building. Doc It > will be a while before I finally start cutting wood, > but the first step > was taken today and would welcome any advise and > recomendations on any > special tools I might need to make life easier. > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > >