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1. 05:04 AM - Stromberg needles for Continental engines (Sterling)
2. 09:21 AM - Elevator/rudder horns (Textor, Jack)
3. 10:12 AM - teen builder (TRichmo9@aol.com)
4. 10:24 AM - Re: teen builder (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 10:28 AM - Re: teen builder (TRichmo9@aol.com)
6. 11:22 AM - Re: teen builder (Gordon Bowen)
7. 02:05 PM - Re: teen builder (Galen Hutcheson)
8. 03:38 PM - Re: teen builder (Mike McCarty)
9. 03:53 PM - Re: teen builder (Go for it!) (Gary Gower)
10. 03:54 PM - Re: Elevator/rudder horns (Jack Phillips)
11. 04:32 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/26/05 (clawler@ptd.net)
12. 06:11 PM - Re: teen builder (Mark Blackwell)
13. 06:25 PM - Re: teen builder (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
14. 08:04 PM - Re: teen builder (Graham Hansen)
15. 08:04 PM - OT Giant RC B-52 has crashed - video (DJ Vegh)
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Subject: | Stromberg needles for Continental engines |
Here is a very good link in regard to arguments for stainless steel or Derlin or
Neoprene tipped needles in Stromberg carbs. The link mentions fuel additives
in auto gas is not specific to what additive except with a brief mention of alcohol.
I'm still trying to locate the info I found on the additives MTBE and
TAME and how is affects plastic and neoprene.
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/stromberg%20needles1.pdf
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Subject: | Elevator/rudder horns |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Happy Easter all,
Do the full size plans for the horns include the bend allowance to form the front
edge?
Thanks!
Jack Textor
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well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes 15, and he wants to
build a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for a teen tom
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Subject: | Re: teen builder |
Tom,
There are teens and then there are teens. You alone will have to judge the
ability of yours. I will say that I knew of a kid (pre teen ) who built a Model
T Ford Sporter from parts and had to wait 3 years before being legally old
enough to drive it (on the streets). Age really has nothing to do with it. If
he can imagine it he can build it.
Corky, the ole school teacher down on the bayou
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Subject: | Re: teen builder |
In a message dated 3/27/05 12:24:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
Tom,
There are teens and then there are teens. You alone will have to judge the
ability of yours. I will say that I knew of a kid (pre teen ) who built a
Model T Ford Sporter from parts and had to wait 3 years before being legally old
enough to drive it (on the streets). Age really has nothing to do with it. If
he can imagine it he can build it.
Corky, the ole school teacher down on the bayou
thanks corky the kid is pretty good with cars him and his brother built a
jaguar xj6 drag car with a 500 hp chevy sroker its pretty quick
but you cant pull over to the urb at 3000 ft
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Subject: | Re: teen builder |
Tom,
I think building a homebuilt can be a great character builder for any young man
and the original wooden Piete is a great place to start. Starting a big project,
having the character to stick with the work no matter what the problems and
lastly seeing the end product of one's labors is an invaluable life learning
experience. Couple $100 worth of Sitka spruce, good wood working tools, plans
are all that's needed. If you're anywhere near Satsuma FL, I'll give the
young Eagle enough rough cut Sitka spruce to get started, if he's got the wood
working tools and desire to buy a set of plans. The wood's in hanger #8 at
Palatka Airport FL., so's my metal Piete. Building a plane can start a lifetime
of love of aviation, even if it takes a lifetime getting done. As I think
most of the fellow members of these web-user homebuilder groups would agree,
being an aviator is more than just being a pilot. Building a plane is as rewarding
on a daily basis as actually taking it for a spin around the pattern.
Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska
Cozy IV N64CY
Osprey II N64SY
Pietenpol N-1033B Flew again on 3/12/2005
"Fanaticism consists of redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim"
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From: TRichmo9@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: teen builder
well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes 15, and he wants to build
a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for a teen tom
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Subject: | Re: teen builder |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Tom, I don't think age is as important as maturity.
If he is motivated and dedicated to the project, there
is no reason he couldn't build an award winning Piet.
Put him to building a few ribs and see how motivated
he is. It wouldn't cost much and he could get spruce
at the lumber yard that will do well for ribs. The
hobby store will have 1/16" Aircraft birch. I'd say
full steam ahead. It will be the young people who
will carry aviation into the future, not us old guys.
Doc
--- TRichmo9@aol.com wrote:
> well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes
> 15, and he wants to
> build a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for
> a teen tom
>
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Subject: | Re: teen builder |
He'll need a lot of perseverance to see it through to completion. I had the skills
to do something
like this as a teen, but I think it would have been hard for me to see a project
of this size through
to the final product.
I have a 14 year old whose only interest right now is to get this Corvair engine
together and see it run.
We put a long block together and then the Air Force sent me off to Flight Engineer
school last week
for the next six weeks. He's just itching for me to get back so we can wrench
on it. Somewhere along
the way I realized that we didn't orient the pistons properly and that we need
to take it apart and flip half
the pistons over. I was going to help him do it when I got back home. After reading
your post and thinking
about the things I was doing by myself when I was a young teen (building motors,
doing bodywork,
doing carpentry, plumbing and electrical work) I realized that I don't give him
enough leeway to let him
go and learn some of these things on his own. I'm always there supervising him
and if he runs into
trouble doing something I do it for him. As a result he doesn't have a lot of
confidence in being able
to accomplish anything on his own After thinking it over I called him and told
him to go ahead and
disassemble the motor and turn the pistons over. I know he can do it, it's just
the matter of letting
him do it on his own...
-Mike McCarty
----- Original Message -----
From: TRichmo9@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: teen builder
well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes 15, and he wants to build
a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for a teen tom
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Subject: | Re: teen builder (Go for it!) |
Not at all! He just need guidance and supervison from other builders, parents
and teachers:
Is something great to encourage, the best idea is to finish the proyect when they
are old enough (16 or more) to fly it.
In France there is a school and Assn. that promotes aviation betwen (very) young
boys:
http://www.chez.com/airetespace/
"Click" several pages in "Air et Space" until you find in the left side in "constructuin
colective" a two seater by several of the students and also in "constructions
Individuelles" you can see projects of Flying Fleas with builders
from 12 years old up, teached and helped by adults, but the project is all theirs,
imagine the potential of learning in this boys!!.....
Needs lots of cooperation from the Teachers and the Parents and support from the
Government(s).
In Europe in general Aviation Education with young boys and girls beguin very
early, including Soaring classes. Just like Music and Atheltic or Sports classes.
Saludos
Gary Gower
TRichmo9@aol.com wrote:
well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes 15, and he wants to build
a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for a teen tom
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Subject: | Elevator/rudder horns |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Yes, just cut them out per the plans, roll the edges (I hammered them over a
1/2" diameter steel rod), bend up the flanges and edge weld them, then drill
the holes. They are fun to make, very light and very strong. I don't
understand why anyone would use flat steel plate horns - too heavy.
Jack
Raleigh, NC
Covering the last aileron and getting ready to start re-painting NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Textor,
Jack
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator/rudder horns
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack"
<jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Happy Easter all,
Do the full size plans for the horns include the bend allowance to form the
front edge?
Thanks!
Jack Textor
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/26/05 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clawler@ptd.net
Walt,
We have a 1,200ft strip located just east of Milton Pa.
Craig Lawler
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Subject: | Re: teen builder |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell <aerialphotos@dp.net>
As a former flight instructor I ran into this once in a while. I'd
never discourage a kid from wanting to reach for his dreams, but I'd
never turn a kid loose on something like this unless you or someone you
trust completely is helping him along the way.
Something like this reminds me of why I used to like fishing so much.
When I was in my teens, I spent many wonderful hours on a lake. I never
caught much, but I learned a lot about boating, water safety, and some
life saving techniques along the way. When I was 16, I got to take the
boat and go to the lake by myself under certain conditions. Man that
was something. Yet he didn't just turn me loose. He had taught me. He
controlled where I went and when. He checked up behind me and once in a
while he would, "just happen by the lake" and have his rod in the trunk
of the car to make sure I was where I said I was and following the rules
he had set. Id see the car, bring the boat in to pick him up and
usually there would be an hour of fishing left.
It was not till I hit my thirties that I realized the most important
part about fishing and boating was the time I got to spend with my dad
at a key time in my life. One of the tricks he showed me about life
saving on the lake, saved the life a young boy off the coast of South
Carolina. Looking back Id bet you find that building the airplane would
only be a fringe benefit.
TRichmo9@aol.com wrote:
> well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes 15, and he wants
> to build a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for a teen tom
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Subject: | Re: teen builder |
Mike,
Be careful. Pretty soon he'll be giving you lessons! It happened to me.
My oldest son helped me with my stock car racing when he was about 6 to age
15. Now he knows more about it than me! (He just turned 43.) We still
share our interest in automotive things. I can't imagine what kind of
relationship we'd have without that.
I think you did the right thing by letting him work on his own. Sounds like
a great father-son project.
do not archive
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A (Flying - being painted now)
Have the plans for a Piet. It will be Corvair powered.
In a message dated 3/27/05 8:54:20 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
mmccarty@zianet.com writes:
He'll need a lot of perseverance to see it through to completion. I had the
skills to do something
like this as a teen, but I think it would have been hard for me to see a
project of this size through
to the final product.
I have a 14 year old whose only interest right now is to get this Corvair
engine together and see it run.
We put a long block together and then the Air Force sent me off to Flight
Engineer school last week
for the next six weeks. He's just itching for me to get back so we can
wrench on it. Somewhere along
the way I realized that we didn't orient the pistons properly and that we
need to take it apart and flip half
the pistons over. I was going to help him do it when I got back home.
After reading your post and thinking
about the things I was doing by myself when I was a young teen (building
motors, doing bodywork,
doing carpentry, plumbing and electrical work) I realized that I don't give
him enough leeway to let him
go and learn some of these things on his own. I'm always there supervising
him and if he runs into
trouble doing something I do it for him. As a result he doesn't have a lot
of confidence in being able
to accomplish anything on his own After thinking it over I called him and
told him to go ahead and
disassemble the motor and turn the pistons over. I know he can do it, it's
just the matter of letting
him do it on his own...
-Mike McCarty
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Subject: | Re: teen builder |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Two good friends of mine have now "gone west". Their names were Maurice Fry
and John Davids, and both had impressive careers in aviation.
They grew up in Hartney, Manitoba, Canada and Maurice travelled to
Minneapolis, Minnesota where he took his flying training at Wold Chamberlin
airport during the summer of 1930. When he returned to Hartney with a
Private Pilot Licence, he and his friend, John, decided to build a Pietenpol
Air Camper. I'm not sure when they started construction, but Maurice made
the first three test flights on November 7, 1931. At that time the airplane
was unregistered and unlicenced. A local Royal Canadian Mounted Police
member told Maurice he would have register it and have it inspected by the
Department of Transport. This was done and the registration markings CF-ARH
were assigned. As far as we can determine, this Pietenpol was the first of
the type officially registered in Canada. It was powered by a Ford A engine
which, according to Maurice, gave somewhat marginal performance.
Building an airplane is an undertaking relatively few people carry through
to completion. Maurice and John's accomplishment is especially remarkable
because Maurice was only seventeen years old when he test flew his
creation--and John was just sixteen!
If a kid is fifteen years old and wants to build a Pietenpol, let him or her
do it. It has been done before.
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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Subject: | OT Giant RC B-52 has crashed - video |
remember the huge 25' wingspan 8 turbine powered radio controlled B-52? well
it has crashed.
what a shame
here's the video
http://www.warrixflyinggroup.co.uk/Video/August%2004/Broadband/b52.wmv
also a 20' span Cessna Caravan with turboprop power crashed on takeoff due to reversed
ailerons check it out
http://www.blinddumbanddeaf.com/Videos/ravencrash.mpg
DJ
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