---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/27/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:04 AM - Stromberg needles for Continental engines (Sterling) 2. 09:21 AM - Elevator/rudder horns (Textor, Jack) 3. 10:12 AM - teen builder (TRichmo9@aol.com) 4. 10:24 AM - Re: teen builder (Isablcorky@aol.com) 5. 10:28 AM - Re: teen builder (TRichmo9@aol.com) 6. 11:22 AM - Re: teen builder (Gordon Bowen) 7. 02:05 PM - Re: teen builder (Galen Hutcheson) 8. 03:38 PM - Re: teen builder (Mike McCarty) 9. 03:53 PM - Re: teen builder (Go for it!) (Gary Gower) 10. 03:54 PM - Re: Elevator/rudder horns (Jack Phillips) 11. 04:32 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/26/05 (clawler@ptd.net) 12. 06:11 PM - Re: teen builder (Mark Blackwell) 13. 06:25 PM - Re: teen builder (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 14. 08:04 PM - Re: teen builder (Graham Hansen) 15. 08:04 PM - OT Giant RC B-52 has crashed - video (DJ Vegh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:50 AM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg needles for Continental engines Here is a very good link in regard to arguments for stainless steel or Derlin or Neoprene tipped needles in Stromberg carbs. The link mentions fuel additives in auto gas is not specific to what additive except with a brief mention of alcohol. I'm still trying to locate the info I found on the additives MTBE and TAME and how is affects plastic and neoprene. http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/stromberg%20needles1.pdf ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator/rudder horns From: "Textor, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" Happy Easter all, Do the full size plans for the horns include the bend allowance to form the front edge? Thanks! Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:07 AM PST US From: TRichmo9@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: teen builder well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes 15, and he wants to build a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for a teen tom ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:02 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: teen builder Tom, There are teens and then there are teens. You alone will have to judge the ability of yours. I will say that I knew of a kid (pre teen ) who built a Model T Ford Sporter from parts and had to wait 3 years before being legally old enough to drive it (on the streets). Age really has nothing to do with it. If he can imagine it he can build it. Corky, the ole school teacher down on the bayou ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:36 AM PST US From: TRichmo9@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: teen builder In a message dated 3/27/05 12:24:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, Isablcorky@aol.com writes: Tom, There are teens and then there are teens. You alone will have to judge the ability of yours. I will say that I knew of a kid (pre teen ) who built a Model T Ford Sporter from parts and had to wait 3 years before being legally old enough to drive it (on the streets). Age really has nothing to do with it. If he can imagine it he can build it. Corky, the ole school teacher down on the bayou thanks corky the kid is pretty good with cars him and his brother built a jaguar xj6 drag car with a 500 hp chevy sroker its pretty quick but you cant pull over to the urb at 3000 ft ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:38 AM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: teen builder Tom, I think building a homebuilt can be a great character builder for any young man and the original wooden Piete is a great place to start. Starting a big project, having the character to stick with the work no matter what the problems and lastly seeing the end product of one's labors is an invaluable life learning experience. Couple $100 worth of Sitka spruce, good wood working tools, plans are all that's needed. If you're anywhere near Satsuma FL, I'll give the young Eagle enough rough cut Sitka spruce to get started, if he's got the wood working tools and desire to buy a set of plans. The wood's in hanger #8 at Palatka Airport FL., so's my metal Piete. Building a plane can start a lifetime of love of aviation, even if it takes a lifetime getting done. As I think most of the fellow members of these web-user homebuilder groups would agree, being an aviator is more than just being a pilot. Building a plane is as rewarding on a daily basis as actually taking it for a spin around the pattern. Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska Cozy IV N64CY Osprey II N64SY Pietenpol N-1033B Flew again on 3/12/2005 "Fanaticism consists of redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim" ----- Original Message ----- From: TRichmo9@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: teen builder well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes 15, and he wants to build a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for a teen tom ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:48 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=58q3c6J7V3zph7gkphQZuTw4cJXrQf7EAXz4KRMuYIvDQ/c8t/vDOTf7HFFWaVOoLl+FOxK+ZCqSFI9XMdYVY7S24BWQqUrUEJ2tenR0yNhd+cbSUn97kQkwUbQ5qpWGsxprGS2FroPrGOrAfEk0kdvdaDV/eTBzm00UvDi2yjI= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: teen builder --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Tom, I don't think age is as important as maturity. If he is motivated and dedicated to the project, there is no reason he couldn't build an award winning Piet. Put him to building a few ribs and see how motivated he is. It wouldn't cost much and he could get spruce at the lumber yard that will do well for ribs. The hobby store will have 1/16" Aircraft birch. I'd say full steam ahead. It will be the young people who will carry aviation into the future, not us old guys. Doc --- TRichmo9@aol.com wrote: > well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes > 15, and he wants to > build a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for > a teen tom > __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:42 PM PST US From: "Mike McCarty" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: teen builder He'll need a lot of perseverance to see it through to completion. I had the skills to do something like this as a teen, but I think it would have been hard for me to see a project of this size through to the final product. I have a 14 year old whose only interest right now is to get this Corvair engine together and see it run. We put a long block together and then the Air Force sent me off to Flight Engineer school last week for the next six weeks. He's just itching for me to get back so we can wrench on it. Somewhere along the way I realized that we didn't orient the pistons properly and that we need to take it apart and flip half the pistons over. I was going to help him do it when I got back home. After reading your post and thinking about the things I was doing by myself when I was a young teen (building motors, doing bodywork, doing carpentry, plumbing and electrical work) I realized that I don't give him enough leeway to let him go and learn some of these things on his own. I'm always there supervising him and if he runs into trouble doing something I do it for him. As a result he doesn't have a lot of confidence in being able to accomplish anything on his own After thinking it over I called him and told him to go ahead and disassemble the motor and turn the pistons over. I know he can do it, it's just the matter of letting him do it on his own... -Mike McCarty ----- Original Message ----- From: TRichmo9@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: teen builder well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes 15, and he wants to build a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for a teen tom ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:09 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=wx7HCxZb+J8m9vClErypg0F/6kBUBEPCJulUqBBHyXml4S395yQX/jjJ2LS2J57CdylbGdZSrW/iyy85ZqITYxzNty7Xs54ZZnnh9aEWUtRZEctfQILfy0E8ZiXr3paH62YtzlG5FCe6HRx1stq3rQgwqBsdwaS7P5t1yRMPLcM= ; From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: teen builder (Go for it!) Not at all! He just need guidance and supervison from other builders, parents and teachers: Is something great to encourage, the best idea is to finish the proyect when they are old enough (16 or more) to fly it. In France there is a school and Assn. that promotes aviation betwen (very) young boys: http://www.chez.com/airetespace/ "Click" several pages in "Air et Space" until you find in the left side in "constructuin colective" a two seater by several of the students and also in "constructions Individuelles" you can see projects of Flying Fleas with builders from 12 years old up, teached and helped by adults, but the project is all theirs, imagine the potential of learning in this boys!!..... Needs lots of cooperation from the Teachers and the Parents and support from the Government(s). In Europe in general Aviation Education with young boys and girls beguin very early, including Soaring classes. Just like Music and Atheltic or Sports classes. Saludos Gary Gower TRichmo9@aol.com wrote: well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes 15, and he wants to build a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for a teen tom ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:01 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator/rudder horns --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" Yes, just cut them out per the plans, roll the edges (I hammered them over a 1/2" diameter steel rod), bend up the flanges and edge weld them, then drill the holes. They are fun to make, very light and very strong. I don't understand why anyone would use flat steel plate horns - too heavy. Jack Raleigh, NC Covering the last aileron and getting ready to start re-painting NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Textor, Jack Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator/rudder horns --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" Happy Easter all, Do the full size plans for the horns include the bend allowance to form the front edge? Thanks! Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:33 PM PST US From: clawler@ptd.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/26/05 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clawler@ptd.net Walt, We have a 1,200ft strip located just east of Milton Pa. Craig Lawler ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:42 PM PST US From: Mark Blackwell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: teen builder --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell As a former flight instructor I ran into this once in a while. I'd never discourage a kid from wanting to reach for his dreams, but I'd never turn a kid loose on something like this unless you or someone you trust completely is helping him along the way. Something like this reminds me of why I used to like fishing so much. When I was in my teens, I spent many wonderful hours on a lake. I never caught much, but I learned a lot about boating, water safety, and some life saving techniques along the way. When I was 16, I got to take the boat and go to the lake by myself under certain conditions. Man that was something. Yet he didn't just turn me loose. He had taught me. He controlled where I went and when. He checked up behind me and once in a while he would, "just happen by the lake" and have his rod in the trunk of the car to make sure I was where I said I was and following the rules he had set. Id see the car, bring the boat in to pick him up and usually there would be an hour of fishing left. It was not till I hit my thirties that I realized the most important part about fishing and boating was the time I got to spend with my dad at a key time in my life. One of the tricks he showed me about life saving on the lake, saved the life a young boy off the coast of South Carolina. Looking back Id bet you find that building the airplane would only be a fringe benefit. TRichmo9@aol.com wrote: > well i may have the youngest piet builder around hes 15, and he wants > to build a piet.do you guys think its to big a job for a teen tom ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:09 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: teen builder Mike, Be careful. Pretty soon he'll be giving you lessons! It happened to me. My oldest son helped me with my stock car racing when he was about 6 to age 15. Now he knows more about it than me! (He just turned 43.) We still share our interest in automotive things. I can't imagine what kind of relationship we'd have without that. I think you did the right thing by letting him work on his own. Sounds like a great father-son project. do not archive Dan Hopper Walton, IN RV-7A (Flying - being painted now) Have the plans for a Piet. It will be Corvair powered. In a message dated 3/27/05 8:54:20 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time, mmccarty@zianet.com writes: He'll need a lot of perseverance to see it through to completion. I had the skills to do something like this as a teen, but I think it would have been hard for me to see a project of this size through to the final product. I have a 14 year old whose only interest right now is to get this Corvair engine together and see it run. We put a long block together and then the Air Force sent me off to Flight Engineer school last week for the next six weeks. He's just itching for me to get back so we can wrench on it. Somewhere along the way I realized that we didn't orient the pistons properly and that we need to take it apart and flip half the pistons over. I was going to help him do it when I got back home. After reading your post and thinking about the things I was doing by myself when I was a young teen (building motors, doing bodywork, doing carpentry, plumbing and electrical work) I realized that I don't give him enough leeway to let him go and learn some of these things on his own. I'm always there supervising him and if he runs into trouble doing something I do it for him. As a result he doesn't have a lot of confidence in being able to accomplish anything on his own After thinking it over I called him and told him to go ahead and disassemble the motor and turn the pistons over. I know he can do it, it's just the matter of letting him do it on his own... -Mike McCarty ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:45 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: teen builder --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" Two good friends of mine have now "gone west". Their names were Maurice Fry and John Davids, and both had impressive careers in aviation. They grew up in Hartney, Manitoba, Canada and Maurice travelled to Minneapolis, Minnesota where he took his flying training at Wold Chamberlin airport during the summer of 1930. When he returned to Hartney with a Private Pilot Licence, he and his friend, John, decided to build a Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm not sure when they started construction, but Maurice made the first three test flights on November 7, 1931. At that time the airplane was unregistered and unlicenced. A local Royal Canadian Mounted Police member told Maurice he would have register it and have it inspected by the Department of Transport. This was done and the registration markings CF-ARH were assigned. As far as we can determine, this Pietenpol was the first of the type officially registered in Canada. It was powered by a Ford A engine which, according to Maurice, gave somewhat marginal performance. Building an airplane is an undertaking relatively few people carry through to completion. Maurice and John's accomplishment is especially remarkable because Maurice was only seventeen years old when he test flew his creation--and John was just sixteen! If a kid is fifteen years old and wants to build a Pietenpol, let him or her do it. It has been done before. Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:45 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT Giant RC B-52 has crashed - video remember the huge 25' wingspan 8 turbine powered radio controlled B-52? well it has crashed. what a shame here's the video http://www.warrixflyinggroup.co.uk/Video/August%2004/Broadband/b52.wmv also a 20' span Cessna Caravan with turboprop power crashed on takeoff due to reversed ailerons check it out http://www.blinddumbanddeaf.com/Videos/ravencrash.mpg DJ