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1. 05:19 AM - Re: fabric iron calibration (Jack Phillips)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: Air Bound Fuel Lines - was Weber Carb (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
3. 06:30 AM - Re: P.F. Beck's Corvair Pietenpol (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: P.F. Beck's Corvair Pietenpol (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
5. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: Weber Carb (barnstmr@aol.com)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: Piet For Sale (Michael D Cuy)
7. 10:58 AM - Google gets more amazing . . . (Michael D Cuy)
8. 11:14 AM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (DJ Vegh)
9. 12:24 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Textor, Jack)
10. 12:36 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (DJ Vegh)
11. 02:26 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Steve Eldredge)
12. 02:49 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (DJ Vegh)
13. 03:19 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Mike McCarty)
14. 03:38 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Jim Ash)
15. 06:25 PM - weber carb (Douwe Blumberg)
16. 07:13 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
17. 07:17 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
18. 09:49 PM - Re: Re: Weber Carb (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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Subject: | fabric iron calibration |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
"A man with one watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is
never sure."
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Vought
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fabric iron calibration
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Different, yes, but how does one determine which is right..the thermometer
or the IR device? I can see a 10 degree variation over the surface of the
sole plate when the iron is operating off its' built-in
thermostat........Carl Vought
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From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fabric iron calibration
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
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> did the test today and with my infrared gun there was about a 15% error.
> Probably not a good idea to use a gun.... stick with a thermometer.
>
> DJ
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Subject: | Re: Air Bound Fuel Lines - was Weber Carb |
Fellow Piet lovers,
I'm a little reluctant to chime in here, but I must relate my experience
with the Cessna 150 fuel system. This will support the air-bound fuel line
possibility.
The C-150 fuel system is almost as simple as it gets. It has 2 wing tanks
with 3/8 inch lines that Y together, an on/off valve, a gascolator -- that's
about it. I ran the plane low on gas once and took off with about 1/4 tank
(or maybe less) and must have unported the fuel pickups in the tank. At about
800 feet AGL the engine shut off. After that it ran just barely enough to
get me turned around and back to the airport.
Here the story begins. I shut off the fuel valve and removed the line at
the carburetor. When I tried to drain the tanks into a gas can nothing came
out. After blowing into the line (by mouth) and hearing bubbles go into the
tank (or tanks), the fuel began to flow. I drained the system and shut off
the fuel valve, then put 5 gallons of gas in one tank. Turned on the valve and
nothing came out of the hose to the carb. A slight blow of air into the
hose and all 5 gallons drained from the tank. Ah, the hose must have a flap in
it. Took the hose apart and inspected it carefully. Blew into both ends of
the hose. Could not detect any defect at all. Disassembled the gascolator.
Found nothing wrong. Repeated the above on the other wing tank. No flow.
Blew into the line, all 5 gallons came out. Took the whole system apart --
line by line, fitting by fitting, looking for something acting like a check
valve. No problems found at all. Put the whole thing back together and flew
it for 4 more years, before selling the airplane.
I still don't understand it, but I certainly believe that you can have an
"air-bound fuel line."
If anyone can explain how my experience is possible, I would like to hear
it. It certainly seems like gravity would win, but it didn't.
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A - flying, Pietenpol - still drooling over the plans.
In a message dated 4/5/05 6:54:14 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
gcardinal@mn.rr.com writes:
Dale Johnson and I had the same problem. Engine would start and run fine but
the fuel bowl would empty out. The problem was an air-bound fuel line.
The fix was easy. Just lift the tail as high as possible for a minute or so
until the air bubble worked it's way back up to the tank.
No problems after that.
Greg Cardinal
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From: _TBYH@aol.com_ (mailto:TBYH@aol.com)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weber Carb
My guess is that there isn't enough fuel pressure. Runs fine until the carb
bowl runs empty then she quits. But there must be just enought fuel/head
pressure to refill the carb relatively quickly -- then she starts right up again.
Any chance the fuel filter is partially plugged, or fuel line? Could
possibly be an electric component in the ignition that is heating up and then
opens
the circuit -- but I imagine you have a magneto. Sounds like fuel starvation
to me...FWIW.
Been working on my Piet's landing gear struts and metal fittings. With this
nice spring weather I sure wish it were finished -- couple years yet, though,
unless I win the Powerball or some other lottery. Then it won't be a case of
building faster than budget allows...!
Fred B.
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Subject: | Re: P.F. Beck's Corvair Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: N321TX@wmconnect.com
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Subject: | Re: P.F. Beck's Corvair Pietenpol |
For those of you who have not had the privilege of meeting P.F., you haven't
met a nicer Southern gent than Mr. Beck, and if you haven't seen pictures of
his airplane, we'll have to figure out a way to post some. It is a very nice
bird, as is the builder.
S.B.
TACO Land
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Something else to chedk happened to me one time...
Check the fuel hose from Gascolator to carburetor inlet to verify it is free.
One time I had a hose swell inward due to age/deterioration. The passageway was
almost completely restricted. It was not evident on the outside of the hose.
But was a dangerous situation.
Terry
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From: Rcaprd@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weber Carb
In a message dated 4/5/2005 6:54:14 PM Central Standard Time, gcardinal@mn.rr.com
writes:
Dale Johnson and I had the same problem. Engine would start and run fine but the
fuel bowl would empty out. The problem was an air-bound fuel line.
The fix was easy. Just lift the tail as high as possible for a minute or so until
the air bubble worked it's way back up to the tank.
That's the first thing I thought of. The fuel line from the carb MUST be a continous
slope down to the gascolator, then up to the tank. No place for air to
accumulate. Fuel starvation is the most common reason of engine failures. Design
your fuel system very carefully, and double check fuel delivery rate, with
the airframe jacked up in the highest angle of attack. In this attitude, it
should deliver at least 150% of the maximum fuel consumption of the engine.
200% would be even better.
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Re: Piet For Sale |
Guys--- this is a SHARP looking plane.........Jerry had e-mailed me some
photos.
His e-mail is below.
Mike C.
At 11:22 PM 4/5/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Piet with Approx 600 Hrs. TTAE. 90 HP Franklin with starter but
>no electric system. Rebuilt in 1993 and covered with Stits. Dual
>Throttles and Mixtures. Wing and fuselage fuel tanks. DFW area.
>$12000. email jvgazda@aol.com for additional info and pictures.
>
>Jerry
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Subject: | Google gets more amazing . . . |
>Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key
>is to click on 'satellite' for a color
photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house,
etc. .....very cool
Mike C.
>. . . by the day.
>
>Try the "beta" version of <http://www.google.com/maps>www.google.com/maps
>by doing this:
>
>Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address
>in the search window like this:
>
>123 main st, anytown, state, zip code
>(or something similar in form)
>
>Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map.
>
>Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and
>click on "Satellite."
>
>Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image.
>
>(And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother
>is watching.)
>
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Subject: | Re: Google gets more amazing . . . |
I tired it last night and about carpped my shorts. I was able to find an overhead
shot of my childhood home in Alabama in less than 15 seconds
hey Mike, send me an offline email of your home address. I wanna see your street!
DJ
djv@imagedv.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .
Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key is
to click on 'satellite' for a color
photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house, etc.
.....very cool
Mike C.
. . . by the day.
Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps
by doing this:
Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address
in the search window like this:
123 main st, anytown, state, zip code
(or something similar in form)
Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map.
Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and
click on "Satellite."
Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image.
(And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother
is watching.)
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Subject: | Google gets more amazing . . . |
Great stuff, I'm dumping my Map Quest stock. How current do you think
the imagery is?
Jack Textor
Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh,
etc.......the key is to click on 'satellite' for a color
photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your
house, etc. .....very cool
Mike C.
. . . by the day.
Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps
<http://www.google.com/maps>
by doing this:
Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address
in the search window like this:
123 main st, anytown, state, zip code
(or something similar in form)
Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map.
Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and
click on "Satellite."
Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image.
(And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother
is watching.)
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Subject: | Re: Google gets more amazing . . . |
currency of the imagery in my area is about 12-18 months old. It's easy to tell
out here cause the city is growing so fast that I can tell when certain buildings
are there or not.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Textor, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .
Great stuff, I'm dumping my Map Quest stock. How current do you think the imagery
is?
Jack Textor
Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key is
to click on 'satellite' for a color
photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house, etc.
.....very cool
Mike C.
. . . by the day.
Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps
by doing this:
Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address
in the search window like this:
123 main st, anytown, state, zip code
(or something similar in form)
Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map.
Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and
click on "Satellite."
Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image.
(And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother
is watching.)
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Subject: | Google gets more amazing . . . |
I can also validate that it is 18 months old. For the same reason.
What is really cool is looking at airliners captured on approach, and on
runways at the local airports.
Yeah. I was flying touch and goes at the time. :-) caught on film.
Just kidding about the last part.
Steve Eldredge
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .
currency of the imagery in my area is about 12-18 months old. It's
easy to tell out here cause the city is growing so fast that I can tell
when certain buildings are there or not.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Textor, Jack <mailto:jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .
Great stuff, I'm dumping my Map Quest stock. How current do you
think the imagery is?
Jack Textor
Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh,
etc.......the key is to click on 'satellite' for a color
photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports,
your house, etc. .....very cool
Mike C.
=09
=09
=09
=09
. . . by the day.
=09
Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps
<http://www.google.com/maps>
=09
Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address
in the search window like this:
=09
123 main st, anytown, state, zip code
(or something similar in form)
=09
Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map.
=09
Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and
click on "Satellite."
=09
Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image.
=09
(And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother
is watching.)
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Subject: | Re: Google gets more amazing . . . |
I saw what appeared to be an MD-80 on departure out of PHX when I looked. Pretty
cool.
what if some guy looked at his house and it showed a car of a friends who he's
known has always had the hots for his stay at home wife.
hmmmm.....
or maybe a car accident or building fire was captured right as it happened. Wouldn't
that be interesting
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .
I can also validate that it is 18 months old. For the same reason.
What is really cool is looking at airliners captured on approach, and on runways
at the local airports.
Yeah. I was flying touch and goes at the time. J caught on film.
Just kidding about the last part.
Steve Eldredge
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:37 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .
currency of the imagery in my area is about 12-18 months old. It's easy to
tell out here cause the city is growing so fast that I can tell when certain buildings
are there or not.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Textor, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .
Great stuff, I'm dumping my Map Quest stock. How current do you think the
imagery is?
Jack Textor
Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key
is to click on 'satellite' for a color
photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house, etc.
.....very cool
Mike C.
. . . by the day.
Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps
by doing this:
Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address
in the search window like this:
123 main st, anytown, state, zip code
(or something similar in form)
Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map.
Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and
click on "Satellite."
Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image.
(And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother
is watching.)
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Subject: | Re: Google gets more amazing . . . |
I thought these would be the same images that you could get on terraserver.microsoft.com,
but these are
much better. I looked up my residence on Holloman AFB. You can see the German
AF Tornadoes sitting
on the southeast ramp and their F-4s to the west. On the southwest ramp you can
see the F-117 hangars
in two rows north to south, but none of the aircraft are outside. To the northwest
on White Sands Missile Range
the photos are kind of washed out, but you can pick out the 20,000 ft crossed runways
where they landed
the space shuttle once in the early 80's.
Mike McCarty
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .
I saw what appeared to be an MD-80 on departure out of PHX when I looked. Pretty
cool.
what if some guy looked at his house and it showed a car of a friends who he's
known has always had the hots for his stay at home wife.
hmmmm.....
or maybe a car accident or building fire was captured right as it happened.
Wouldn't that be interesting
DJ
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Subject: | Re: Google gets more amazing . . . |
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Its-Bogus: do not forward to list
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions!
I blew air into the fuel inlet to displace any gunk and possibly free up any sticky
needle or float. Then rerouted the fuel line to make sure there was no possible
air trap, which I don't think there was, but did anyways.
Started up on the first prop and ran great, no quits. Once warmed I tried full
throttle, and noticed that the gas seemed to be burbling in my inline transparant
fuel filter. I just felt that it wasn't getting enough fuel as i thought
it should show higher rpms.
Raised the tank fourteen inches and added three gallons, there was only half a
gallon left. got three hundred more rpms after this!
So while raising the tank helped, it wasn't the original culprit. I can't say
if the compressed air helped clear or loosen something or if there was somehow
a little air trap in the fuel line.
Lots of little tweeks to do still.
Doesn't want to idle low without choke, which tells me the idle jet is too small.
left mag is retarded way too much and runs rough, etc, etc, etc.
thanks again!
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Subject: | Re: Google gets more amazing . . . |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: N321TX@wmconnect.com
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Subject: | Re: Google gets more amazing . . . |
I tried this and indeed found poo-poo in Mesa, Arizona in the 4000 block of
Fairfield Street, so DJ must have been telling the truth.
I suspect the photo-satellite had passed over Arizona, shortly after DJ had
the enlightenment, because all I found was the remnants of his experience and
DJ must have already gone back in his garage to work on his pristine GN-1.
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In a message dated 4/6/2005 9:19:48 AM Central Standard Time,
barnstmr@aol.com writes:
Check the fuel hose from Gascolator to carburetor inlet to verify it is free.
One time I had a hose swell inward due to age/deterioration. The passageway
was almost completely restricted. It was not evident on the outside of the
hose. But was a dangerous situation.
I had a similar experience, but it wasn't due to age / deterioration. I made
up an AeroQuip hose, with the replaceable ends, and it scrunched up the
rubber inside of the hose. I caught the problem while doing the fuel flow test,
before I even started the engine. I tried several more times to install that
end of the hose - No Joy. Possibly didn't use the proper Cuss Words !! I=20now
use auto fuel line, and barbed end fittings, with double mini clamps. I
change this auto fuel hose at each annual 'Condition Inspection', as regular
maintenance. I recently bought another Aeroquip hose (as well as the 'Installation
Tool'), and will attempt installing the ends again. I much prefer using
AeroQuip hose (with 37=BA Flair), than the auto fuel hose.
Chuck G.
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