---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/06/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - Re: fabric iron calibration (Jack Phillips) 2. 05:57 AM - Re: Air Bound Fuel Lines - was Weber Carb (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 3. 06:30 AM - Re: P.F. Beck's Corvair Pietenpol (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 4. 06:32 AM - Re: P.F. Beck's Corvair Pietenpol (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 5. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: Weber Carb (barnstmr@aol.com) 6. 08:21 AM - Re: Piet For Sale (Michael D Cuy) 7. 10:58 AM - Google gets more amazing . . . (Michael D Cuy) 8. 11:14 AM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (DJ Vegh) 9. 12:24 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Textor, Jack) 10. 12:36 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (DJ Vegh) 11. 02:26 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Steve Eldredge) 12. 02:49 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (DJ Vegh) 13. 03:19 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Mike McCarty) 14. 03:38 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Jim Ash) 15. 06:25 PM - weber carb (Douwe Blumberg) 16. 07:13 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 17. 07:17 PM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 18. 09:49 PM - Re: Re: Weber Carb (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:58 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fabric iron calibration --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" "A man with one watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure." Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Vought Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fabric iron calibration --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Vought" Different, yes, but how does one determine which is right..the thermometer or the IR device? I can see a 10 degree variation over the surface of the sole plate when the iron is operating off its' built-in thermostat........Carl Vought ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fabric iron calibration > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > did the test today and with my infrared gun there was about a 15% error. > Probably not a good idea to use a gun.... stick with a thermometer. > > DJ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:02 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Bound Fuel Lines - was Weber Carb Fellow Piet lovers, I'm a little reluctant to chime in here, but I must relate my experience with the Cessna 150 fuel system. This will support the air-bound fuel line possibility. The C-150 fuel system is almost as simple as it gets. It has 2 wing tanks with 3/8 inch lines that Y together, an on/off valve, a gascolator -- that's about it. I ran the plane low on gas once and took off with about 1/4 tank (or maybe less) and must have unported the fuel pickups in the tank. At about 800 feet AGL the engine shut off. After that it ran just barely enough to get me turned around and back to the airport. Here the story begins. I shut off the fuel valve and removed the line at the carburetor. When I tried to drain the tanks into a gas can nothing came out. After blowing into the line (by mouth) and hearing bubbles go into the tank (or tanks), the fuel began to flow. I drained the system and shut off the fuel valve, then put 5 gallons of gas in one tank. Turned on the valve and nothing came out of the hose to the carb. A slight blow of air into the hose and all 5 gallons drained from the tank. Ah, the hose must have a flap in it. Took the hose apart and inspected it carefully. Blew into both ends of the hose. Could not detect any defect at all. Disassembled the gascolator. Found nothing wrong. Repeated the above on the other wing tank. No flow. Blew into the line, all 5 gallons came out. Took the whole system apart -- line by line, fitting by fitting, looking for something acting like a check valve. No problems found at all. Put the whole thing back together and flew it for 4 more years, before selling the airplane. I still don't understand it, but I certainly believe that you can have an "air-bound fuel line." If anyone can explain how my experience is possible, I would like to hear it. It certainly seems like gravity would win, but it didn't. Dan Hopper Walton, IN RV-7A - flying, Pietenpol - still drooling over the plans. In a message dated 4/5/05 6:54:14 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time, gcardinal@mn.rr.com writes: Dale Johnson and I had the same problem. Engine would start and run fine but the fuel bowl would empty out. The problem was an air-bound fuel line. The fix was easy. Just lift the tail as high as possible for a minute or so until the air bubble worked it's way back up to the tank. No problems after that. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: _TBYH@aol.com_ (mailto:TBYH@aol.com) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weber Carb My guess is that there isn't enough fuel pressure. Runs fine until the carb bowl runs empty then she quits. But there must be just enought fuel/head pressure to refill the carb relatively quickly -- then she starts right up again. Any chance the fuel filter is partially plugged, or fuel line? Could possibly be an electric component in the ignition that is heating up and then opens the circuit -- but I imagine you have a magneto. Sounds like fuel starvation to me...FWIW. Been working on my Piet's landing gear struts and metal fittings. With this nice spring weather I sure wish it were finished -- couple years yet, though, unless I win the Powerball or some other lottery. Then it won't be a case of building faster than budget allows...! Fred B. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:44 AM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: P.F. Beck's Corvair Pietenpol --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: N321TX@wmconnect.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:44 AM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: P.F. Beck's Corvair Pietenpol For those of you who have not had the privilege of meeting P.F., you haven't met a nicer Southern gent than Mr. Beck, and if you haven't seen pictures of his airplane, we'll have to figure out a way to post some. It is a very nice bird, as is the builder. S.B. TACO Land ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:15 AM PST US From: barnstmr@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weber Carb Something else to chedk happened to me one time... Check the fuel hose from Gascolator to carburetor inlet to verify it is free. One time I had a hose swell inward due to age/deterioration. The passageway was almost completely restricted. It was not evident on the outside of the hose. But was a dangerous situation. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weber Carb In a message dated 4/5/2005 6:54:14 PM Central Standard Time, gcardinal@mn.rr.com writes: Dale Johnson and I had the same problem. Engine would start and run fine but the fuel bowl would empty out. The problem was an air-bound fuel line. The fix was easy. Just lift the tail as high as possible for a minute or so until the air bubble worked it's way back up to the tank. That's the first thing I thought of. The fuel line from the carb MUST be a continous slope down to the gascolator, then up to the tank. No place for air to accumulate. Fuel starvation is the most common reason of engine failures. Design your fuel system very carefully, and double check fuel delivery rate, with the airframe jacked up in the highest angle of attack. In this attitude, it should deliver at least 150% of the maximum fuel consumption of the engine. 200% would be even better. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:25 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet For Sale Guys--- this is a SHARP looking plane.........Jerry had e-mailed me some photos. His e-mail is below. Mike C. At 11:22 PM 4/5/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Piet with Approx 600 Hrs. TTAE. 90 HP Franklin with starter but >no electric system. Rebuilt in 1993 and covered with Stits. Dual >Throttles and Mixtures. Wing and fuselage fuel tanks. DFW area. >$12000. email jvgazda@aol.com for additional info and pictures. > >Jerry ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:56 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . >Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key >is to click on 'satellite' for a color photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house, etc. .....very cool Mike C. >. . . by the day. > >Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps >by doing this: > >Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address >in the search window like this: > >123 main st, anytown, state, zip code >(or something similar in form) > >Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map. > >Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and >click on "Satellite." > >Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image. > >(And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother >is watching.) > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:39 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . I tired it last night and about carpped my shorts. I was able to find an overhead shot of my childhood home in Alabama in less than 15 seconds hey Mike, send me an offline email of your home address. I wanna see your street! DJ djv@imagedv.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael D Cuy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key is to click on 'satellite' for a color photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house, etc. .....very cool Mike C. . . . by the day. Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps by doing this: Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address in the search window like this: 123 main st, anytown, state, zip code (or something similar in form) Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map. Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and click on "Satellite." Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image. (And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother is watching.) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:34 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . From: "Textor, Jack" Great stuff, I'm dumping my Map Quest stock. How current do you think the imagery is? Jack Textor Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key is to click on 'satellite' for a color photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house, etc. .....very cool Mike C. . . . by the day. Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps by doing this: Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address in the search window like this: 123 main st, anytown, state, zip code (or something similar in form) Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map. Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and click on "Satellite." Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image. (And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother is watching.) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:51 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . currency of the imagery in my area is about 12-18 months old. It's easy to tell out here cause the city is growing so fast that I can tell when certain buildings are there or not. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Textor, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . Great stuff, I'm dumping my Map Quest stock. How current do you think the imagery is? Jack Textor Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key is to click on 'satellite' for a color photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house, etc. .....very cool Mike C. . . . by the day. Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps by doing this: Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address in the search window like this: 123 main st, anytown, state, zip code (or something similar in form) Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map. Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and click on "Satellite." Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image. (And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother is watching.) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:12 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . From: "Steve Eldredge" I can also validate that it is 18 months old. For the same reason. What is really cool is looking at airliners captured on approach, and on runways at the local airports. Yeah. I was flying touch and goes at the time. :-) caught on film. Just kidding about the last part. Steve Eldredge ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . currency of the imagery in my area is about 12-18 months old. It's easy to tell out here cause the city is growing so fast that I can tell when certain buildings are there or not. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Textor, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . Great stuff, I'm dumping my Map Quest stock. How current do you think the imagery is? Jack Textor Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key is to click on 'satellite' for a color photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house, etc. .....very cool Mike C. =09 =09 =09 =09 . . . by the day. =09 Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps =09 Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address in the search window like this: =09 123 main st, anytown, state, zip code (or something similar in form) =09 Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map. =09 Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and click on "Satellite." =09 Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image. =09 (And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother is watching.) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:01 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . I saw what appeared to be an MD-80 on departure out of PHX when I looked. Pretty cool. what if some guy looked at his house and it showed a car of a friends who he's known has always had the hots for his stay at home wife. hmmmm..... or maybe a car accident or building fire was captured right as it happened. Wouldn't that be interesting DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eldredge To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . I can also validate that it is 18 months old. For the same reason. What is really cool is looking at airliners captured on approach, and on runways at the local airports. Yeah. I was flying touch and goes at the time. J caught on film. Just kidding about the last part. Steve Eldredge From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:37 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . currency of the imagery in my area is about 12-18 months old. It's easy to tell out here cause the city is growing so fast that I can tell when certain buildings are there or not. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Textor, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . Great stuff, I'm dumping my Map Quest stock. How current do you think the imagery is? Jack Textor Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key is to click on 'satellite' for a color photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house, etc. .....very cool Mike C. . . . by the day. Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps by doing this: Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address in the search window like this: 123 main st, anytown, state, zip code (or something similar in form) Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map. Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and click on "Satellite." Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image. (And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother is watching.) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:14 PM PST US From: "Mike McCarty" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . I thought these would be the same images that you could get on terraserver.microsoft.com, but these are much better. I looked up my residence on Holloman AFB. You can see the German AF Tornadoes sitting on the southeast ramp and their F-4s to the west. On the southwest ramp you can see the F-117 hangars in two rows north to south, but none of the aircraft are outside. To the northwest on White Sands Missile Range the photos are kind of washed out, but you can pick out the 20,000 ft crossed runways where they landed the space shuttle once in the early 80's. Mike McCarty ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . I saw what appeared to be an MD-80 on departure out of PHX when I looked. Pretty cool. what if some guy looked at his house and it showed a car of a friends who he's known has always had the hots for his stay at home wife. hmmmm..... or maybe a car accident or building fire was captured right as it happened. Wouldn't that be interesting DJ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:01 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list --- MIME Errors --- A message with no text/plain section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using plaintext formatting. NOTE! This error can also occur when the poster of the message has a specific type of computer virus. This virus WAS NOT forwarded on to the List. The poster should be informed of the potential problem with their system as soon as possible. --- MIME Errors --- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:17 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: weber carb Thanks everyone for your suggestions! I blew air into the fuel inlet to displace any gunk and possibly free up any sticky needle or float. Then rerouted the fuel line to make sure there was no possible air trap, which I don't think there was, but did anyways. Started up on the first prop and ran great, no quits. Once warmed I tried full throttle, and noticed that the gas seemed to be burbling in my inline transparant fuel filter. I just felt that it wasn't getting enough fuel as i thought it should show higher rpms. Raised the tank fourteen inches and added three gallons, there was only half a gallon left. got three hundred more rpms after this! So while raising the tank helped, it wasn't the original culprit. I can't say if the compressed air helped clear or loosen something or if there was somehow a little air trap in the fuel line. Lots of little tweeks to do still. Doesn't want to idle low without choke, which tells me the idle jet is too small. left mag is retarded way too much and runs rough, etc, etc, etc. thanks again! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:34 PM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: N321TX@wmconnect.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:46 PM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . I tried this and indeed found poo-poo in Mesa, Arizona in the 4000 block of Fairfield Street, so DJ must have been telling the truth. I suspect the photo-satellite had passed over Arizona, shortly after DJ had the enlightenment, because all I found was the remnants of his experience and DJ must have already gone back in his garage to work on his pristine GN-1. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:12 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weber Carb In a message dated 4/6/2005 9:19:48 AM Central Standard Time, barnstmr@aol.com writes: Check the fuel hose from Gascolator to carburetor inlet to verify it is free. One time I had a hose swell inward due to age/deterioration. The passageway was almost completely restricted. It was not evident on the outside of the hose. But was a dangerous situation. I had a similar experience, but it wasn't due to age / deterioration. I made up an AeroQuip hose, with the replaceable ends, and it scrunched up the rubber inside of the hose. I caught the problem while doing the fuel flow test, before I even started the engine. I tried several more times to install that end of the hose - No Joy. Possibly didn't use the proper Cuss Words !! I=20now use auto fuel line, and barbed end fittings, with double mini clamps. I change this auto fuel hose at each annual 'Condition Inspection', as regular maintenance. I recently bought another Aeroquip hose (as well as the 'Installation Tool'), and will attempt installing the ends again. I much prefer using AeroQuip hose (with 37=BA Flair), than the auto fuel hose. Chuck G.